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  35. # [10:26] <Loqi> [[User:Wiki0406]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Wiki0406&rcid=65364 * Wiki0406 * (+2575) New page: Attributes regarding Kimberly Service, DMD It is very important find the correct dental office that may offer you the best dental care support. There are several dentists within Florida w...
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  46. # [12:54] <tommorris> tantek: do you know what the current status of the logo is?
  47. # [12:55] <tommorris> tantek: as in, public domain, cc0, CC-BY etc.?
  48. # [12:57] <tommorris> also, microformateers who are also active wikipedians may be interested in participating in this discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Microformats#Proposal:_citation_microformat
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  54. # [13:48] <Loqi> [[User:Rickyjose]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Rickyjose&rcid=65365 * Rickyjose * (+2231) New page: '''The perfect Dog sitter does exist''' Today Dog sitters have become quite popular, since there are so many dogs in the town that not all owners are going to be able to look after them ...
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  70. # [16:05] <Loqi> http://twitter.com/nlpub :: Теперь участники NLPub могут легко добавить информацию о себе в виде корректного микроформата hCard! http://nlpub.ru/wiki/%D0%A8%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD:HCard
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  91. # [18:47] <Loqi> http://twitter.com/bbellx :: A vCard/hCard #microformats validator! http://hcard.geekhood.net/
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  96. # [19:14] <@tantek> welcome gavinc!
  97. # [19:15] <gavinc> So this is the better syntax? ;)
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  99. # [19:16] <@tantek> gavinc - take a look at examples to start with: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#simple_microformats_2_examples
  100. # [19:17] <@tantek> gavinc, simpler syntax at least
  101. # [19:17] <@tantek> which tends to be better
  102. # [19:17] <gavinc> fully agree
  103. # [19:17] <gavinc> Main work product of mine for the RDF WG is replacing RDF/XML with Turtle and N-Triples ;)
  104. # [19:18] <@tantek> microformats syntax is essentially driven by what seems to be easiest/simplest for web developers, and in microformats2, we've been able to make simplifications/improvements that also simplified parsers as well.
  105. # [19:18] <@tantek> hence we have a few parsers now
  106. # [19:18] <@tantek> in fairly short order
  107. # [19:18] <@tantek> and the parsing spec is quite short
  108. # [19:20] <gavinc> so paying job in mind, the process for creating a new microformat for microformats2 for oh say... horrifying patent litigation, would begind with?
  109. # [19:20] <@tantek> well you have more options now
  110. # [19:21] <@tantek> as always there's the research/document publishing examples, previous formats etc. microformats process
  111. # [19:21] <@tantek> now there's also a convention for vendor specific and experimental stuff
  112. # [19:21] <@tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#VENDOR_EXTENSIONS
  113. # [19:21] <gavinc> I had looked at using h-card for all the entity data
  114. # [19:22] <@tantek> for example for microformats2 test suite format(s), we're using h-x- root classnames just to get some experimental stuff bootstrapped, not knowing if it will be worth standardizing
  115. # [19:22] <@tantek> great! (re: looked at using h-card for all the entity data )
  116. # [19:22] <@tantek> are the "entities" people or organizations?
  117. # [19:22] * @tantek is not sure about h-card for arbitrary "things"
  118. # [19:23] <gavinc> Entities are mostly lawyers
  119. # [19:24] <gavinc> some people think of them as people ;)
  120. # [19:24] <gavinc> I'm... not so sure any more
  121. # [19:25] <singpolyma> IMHO, the email headers and CSS worlds have shown than vendor extensions are a bad idea
  122. # [19:25] <singpolyma> because by the time you want to standardise, many tools are using this vendor extension already
  123. # [19:25] <singpolyma> which makes transitions harder
  124. # [19:27] <@tantek> singpolyma - in both cases (email headers, *some* CSS properties/values) the fault was with insufficient responsiveness, not the vendor extensions themselves
  125. # [19:27] <@tantek> in CSS at least we're fixing that
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  127. # [19:27] <@tantek> and in microformats, we've learned from the lessons in CSS
  128. # [19:28] <singpolyma> tantek: What do you mean by "insufficient responsiveness"?
  129. # [19:28] <@tantek> stuff gets implemented, years go by, developers adopt, then standards work their way through their process
  130. # [19:28] <@tantek> the "years go by" is the insufficient responsiveness
  131. # [19:28] <singpolyma> Right. Slow process. Ok, I guess that makes sense
  132. # [19:28] <@tantek> which was the key part that caused problems
  133. # [19:29] <@tantek> so it means that when the market shows signs of adopting something, we need to be responsive
  134. # [19:29] <singpolyma> Right
  135. # [19:29] <@tantek> since microformats are based on publishing patterns, we *can* be responsive to such events
  136. # [19:29] <@tantek> however, someone still has to do the work
  137. # [19:29] <@tantek> here's a semi-urgent example
  138. # [19:29] <gavinc> So this where I get confused. Creating a vendor prefix for "court cases" I never really expect a lot of people to be publishing data about court cases...
  139. # [19:30] <@tantek> gavinc - vendor extension is only if you want to use it just with your company / paying job and not worry at all about standardization
  140. # [19:30] <@tantek> if you think it's got a good chance of being a useful standard, use -x-
  141. # [19:30] <gavinc> ah ha
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  143. # [19:30] <gavinc> Got it
  144. # [19:30] <@tantek> that semi-urgent example:
  145. # [19:30] <@tantek> "page info"
  146. # [19:31] <gavinc> So court cases and their outcomes would be vendor, and -x- for say change of address over time as an extension to hcard?
  147. # [19:31] <@tantek> see: Facebook OGP, Twitter Cards, and schema Page object - all implemented, (by Facebook, Twitter, G+ respectively, with some overlap)
  148. # [19:31] <gavinc> eg, this USED to be their address
  149. # [19:31] <@tantek> all proprietary (though at least OGP is licensed with OWFa)
  150. # [19:31] <@tantek> all because meta keywords failed, dublin core failed
  151. # [19:31] <@tantek> so now there's THREE different vendor specific efforts for the same thing
  152. # [19:32] <@tantek> if that's not begging for standardization I don't know what is
  153. # [19:32] <gavinc> dublin core got lost in RDF/XML vs. RDF vs own model for too damn long :(
  154. # [19:32] <@tantek> dublin core was never based on web publishing patterns
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  156. # [19:33] <@tantek> dublin core was classic ivory tower style design
  157. # [19:33] <@tantek> gavinc, I've seen such temporal information published on the web by using temporal wrappers
  158. # [19:33] <@tantek> e.g.
  159. # [19:33] <@tantek> blog posts (h-entry)
  160. # [19:33] <@tantek> or <ins> and <del> elements
  161. # [19:34] <@tantek> extending every individual property and or microformat for temporal changes makes no sense
  162. # [19:34] <gavinc> true
  163. # [19:34] <gavinc> Is there a standard temporal wrapper?
  164. # [19:34] <@tantek> the <s> element may actually be useful here too, in its new HTML5 semantic
  165. # [19:34] <@tantek> gavinc - the most standard temporal wrapper is hAtom currently
  166. # [19:35] <@tantek> class="hentry" microformats
  167. # [19:35] <@tantek> now "h-entry" in microformats2
  168. # [19:35] <@tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#h-entry
  169. # [19:35] <gavinc> gah
  170. # [19:35] <gavinc> but that doesn't provide a temporal range
  171. # [19:35] <@tantek> which essentially makes a statement about something being true at a certain point in time
  172. # [19:38] <@tantek> a temporal range sounds like an event ;)
  173. # [19:40] <gavinc> mmm, that's possible
  174. # [19:40] <gavinc> funny, but very possible
  175. # [19:40] <@tantek> we've used hCalendar in that way as a component in hResume for example
  176. # [19:40] <@tantek> each job and school being an "event"
  177. # [19:40] <gavinc> hehehe, being able to export a court case to ical
  178. # [19:41] <gavinc> okay that would in fact be awesome
  179. # [19:41] <gavinc> and attach for the court document
  180. # [19:41] <gavinc> oh dear
  181. # [19:41] <gavinc> this sounds like far too much fun
  182. # [19:42] <@tantek> gavinc, sounds like you've solved a real world use case
  183. # [19:42] <@tantek> now I just need to add microformats2 support to h2vx.com so you can get that ical feed from microformats2 h-event
  184. # [19:43] <@tantek> (or anyone, as h2vx is on github)
  185. # [19:43] <gavinc> ... with 1 commit ...
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  189. # [20:45] <Loqi> http://twitter.com/RobertShippey :: I expected to hear about RDFa, http://Schema.org, XFN, FOAF, hCards, OG, whatever. Everyone gets the WHY, I want him to push the HOW.
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  198. # [22:11] <Loqi> [[Competent Songs Output In the home . . . Are you drinking Completed?]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Competent_Songs_Output_In_the_home_._._._Are_you_drinking_Completed%3F&rcid=65382 * Tpolicz85 * (+3950) This begin mastering electronic digital documenting provides notably minimal the value of you mp3 filming recording studio. Right now it's possible for an individual to
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