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  33. # [09:27] <iSRAELi> tantek
  34. # [09:27] <iSRAELi> yeah i am BuxToMe
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  40. # [11:38] <Loqi> https://twitter.com/webmarketing_dk :: Referencement Google: ADWORDS UTILISE OFFICIELLEMENT LES MICROFORMATS HREVIEW - Seller Rating... http://www.googleadwords.fr/campagne-google-adwords/adwords-utilise-officiellement-les-microformats-hreview/ #referencement
  41. # [11:41] <iSRAELi> yeah google webmaster tools just recognized 7 rich snippets
  42. # [11:41] <iSRAELi> 7 hReviews :)
  43. # [11:41] <iSRAELi> i will add hCard later
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  62. # [19:43] <@tantek> tommorris - on a positive note - I forget if we've discussed h-cite and what your opinion(s) are of it (from a semantic markup perspective, and a "would it be useful / usable by Wikipedia" perspective)
  63. # [19:43] <@tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/citation-brainstorming#web_citations
  64. # [19:44] <@tantek> I'm close to writing it up as a draft (rather than just being one of many brainstorms) and wanted to see if you (or anyone else here) has any thoughts on it before I do so.
  65. # [19:44] <iSRAELi> tantek, microformats 2 seems more complicated
  66. # [19:44] <iSRAELi> though it can may help with the hListing
  67. # [19:45] <@tantek> iSRAELi - what about it seems more complicated? It uses less markup (typically) than a lot of current microformats
  68. # [19:45] <@tantek> have you tried marking things up both ways?
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  70. # [19:45] <iSRAELi> well i have taken a look of the new hCard
  71. # [19:45] <iSRAELi> whats all this
  72. # [19:45] <iSRAELi> p fn org
  73. # [19:45] <iSRAELi> i just didnt get it
  74. # [19:45] <iSRAELi> there are not enough examples
  75. # [19:46] <iSRAELi> also, will i be able to still use microformats 1 when microformats 2 is officialy out?
  76. # [19:46] <@tantek> for well established vocabularies, yes, there is backward compatibility
  77. # [19:47] <iSRAELi> i hope the new hMedia will be more informative,
  78. # [19:47] <@tantek> did you see these examples? http://microformats.org/wiki/uf2#simple_microformats_2_examples
  79. # [19:47] <iSRAELi> i did
  80. # [19:47] <iSRAELi> i hope hMedia example will give example how to use it with youtube video
  81. # [19:47] <@tantek> I think hMedia may need a rewrite
  82. # [19:47] <iSRAELi> cause 2 days ago i HAD to use schema VideoObject, i just didnt get hMedia
  83. # [19:47] <@tantek> same with hAudio
  84. # [19:48] <@tantek> because they just weren't very well adopted, which means they weren't very well designed
  85. # [19:48] <@tantek> we'll probably look at VideoObject to see what we can learn to create a better "h-media" microformat
  86. # [19:48] <tommorris> tantek: I think in terms of wiki-politics, the standard response to any metadata improvement will probably be a very conservative "we're waiting to see what Wikidata brings".
  87. # [19:48] <tommorris> which is rather unhelpful. ;-)
  88. # [19:49] <@tantek> huh - not really familiar with "Wikidata"
  89. # [19:49] <@tantek> that's fine, there will always be more conservative (slower) adopters
  90. # [19:49] <tommorris> Wikidata is basically a centralised store of the stuff that goes in infoboxes
  91. # [19:49] <@tantek> was more curious about your opinion in particular of technological suitability etc.
  92. # [19:49] <@tantek> rather than the politics.
  93. # [19:49] <@tantek> am ok with slower adoption - that's just the way some organizations work.
  94. # [19:51] <tommorris> I'd certainly want to see some change in citation templates at Wikipedia: our current setup is atrocious. COinS is a travesty of a spec.
  95. # [19:51] <tommorris> but the argument for retaining COinS over some other approach is tha software like Zotero exists which parses COinS.
  96. # [19:51] <@tantek> yeah COinS is quite bad
  97. # [19:52] <@tantek> well - we have two microformats2 parsers that parse h-cite :)
  98. # [19:52] <tommorris> I discussed the proposals for using h-cite on Wikipedia and I basically said "look, we're using COinS already, it's terrible" and the response was something along the lines of "yeah, but all specs are terrible, but we have to use what is standard"
  99. # [19:52] <barnabywalters> tommorris: surely what wikipedia uses quickly becomes standard?
  100. # [19:53] <tommorris> I pointed that out, but we have a strong policy of "Wikipedia is not here to further your noble cause". ;-)
  101. # [19:53] <tommorris> my approach might be to try and take what Zotero have done, spin it out into a separate web app for doing any-citation-format to Wikipedia citations. be useful to the community, nudge people towards better, richer ways of doing metadata
  102. # [19:53] <tommorris> frankly, citations are so awful that anything would be an improvement.
  103. # [19:54] <tommorris> there are some long-standing issues too: COinS has some issues representing mathematical article names where there are formulas in the title
  104. # [19:54] <tommorris> we'd have to be careful how things like MathML work with h-cite
  105. # [19:54] <tommorris> there's also template performance issues
  106. # [19:54] <tommorris> templates have always been a hack built on top of a hack
  107. # [19:55] <tommorris> the Foundation recently built out a replacement for templates in the form of Lua code. bundling something like h-cite into a Lua rewrite may be a lot easier than taking the pre-existing spaghetti and hacking atop it.
  108. # [19:59] <iSRAELi> i mean
  109. # [19:59] <iSRAELi> the hReview and hReciepe is well written
  110. # [19:59] <iSRAELi> the hMeida was just weird hehe
  111. # [20:00] <iSRAELi> about hListing
  112. # [20:00] <iSRAELi> i want to define 5 items and 5 prices
  113. # [20:00] <iSRAELi> and i have to open a new div or span with class each time
  114. # [20:00] <iSRAELi> for each listing
  115. # [20:05] <@tantek> tommorris - yeah, citations in general are a very messy area of data - one of the reasons why I'm surprised at the hypothes.is rosy picture that is painted of a glorious future.
  116. # [20:06] <@tantek> I'm more curious what you think of the choice of properties and if I've missed anything "obvious" - from the 8 properties defined therein
  117. # [20:11] <iSRAELi> have you taken a look at my hListing example?
  118. # [20:11] <iSRAELi> http://www.smartmaster.co.il/Default.asp?sType=0&PageId=77222
  119. # [20:12] <iSRAELi> http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smartmaster.co.il%2FDefault.asp%3FsType%3D0%26PageId%3D77222&;html=
  120. # [20:12] <iSRAELi> thats how google reads it
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  122. # [20:17] <@tantek> iSRAELi that looks reasonable - good to see that Google is reading your hListings. I don't read Hebrew myself but I assume that Google is showing you what you put in the page?
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