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  12. # [02:57] <@tantek> aaronpk - was rachel able to login?
  13. # [02:57] <@tantek> oops wrong channel
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  16. # [03:19] <Loqi> [[User:fariyesaoa]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:fariyesaoa&rcid=66654 * Fariyesaoa * (+1378) Dressed in silk organza
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  21. # [04:17] <Loqi> [[User:hathaw33c53]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:hathaw33c53&rcid=66657 * Hathaw33c53 * (+3631) That's well within the golf tournament
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  70. # [11:56] <Loqi> https://twitter.com/ichongjancong :: @ayudyahp Ayooong, aku nemuuu http://www.youhavezeroprivacy.com/hcard/ahJ5b3VoYXZlemVyb3ByaXZhY3lyDgsSB1Byb2ZpbGUYjEoM ;;)
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  81. # [15:14] <Loqi> [[User:outlet9693]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:outlet9693&rcid=66660 * Outlet9693 * (+1610) グッチ 財布 アウトレット サムズ全店で使える
  82. # [15:14] <Loqi> [[User:outlet9693]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:outlet9693&diff=49664&oldid=49663&rcid=66661 * Outlet9693 * (+2045) /* グッチ 財布 流血 */ new section
  83. # [15:14] <Loqi> [[User:outlet9693]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:outlet9693&diff=49665&oldid=49664&rcid=66662 * Outlet9693 * (+1654) /* グッチ 靴 裏事情 */ new section
  84. # [15:16] <Loqi> [[User:outlet9693]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:outlet9693&diff=49666&oldid=49665&rcid=66663 * ChiefRA * (-5309) removed spammy content
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  93. # [16:20] <Loqi> [[LOL JUS SAY YOU DONT toronto Sony laptop repair WANNA TEACH MELAZYASS]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=LOL_JUS_SAY_YOU_DONT_toronto_Sony_laptop_repair_WANNA_TEACH_MELAZYASS&rcid=66664 * RollandGreen9 * (+1956) New page: [[Image:toronto_Sony_laptop_repair_1556.jpg|thumb|]] Gas is 4.25$ Killme screwed nope not yet!!! listen around ten minutes, good luck!! :) okay, well let
  94. # [16:24] <Loqi> [[LOL JUS SAY YOU DONT toronto Sony laptop repair WANNA TEACH MELAZYASS]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=LOL_JUS_SAY_YOU_DONT_toronto_Sony_laptop_repair_WANNA_TEACH_MELAZYASS&diff=49668&oldid=49667&rcid=66665 * ChiefRA * (-1956) removed spammy content
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  99. # [17:00] <ChiefRA> Loqi !tell tantek test
  100. # [17:00] <ChiefRA> uhm how was that formula?
  101. # [17:00] <ChiefRA> anyway
  102. # [17:00] <ChiefRA> tantek who developed Loqi's script to monitor all the changes on a website and report them here? I would like to "borrow" it is it's freeware or discuss alternatives
  103. # [17:00] <Loqi> MONITOR ALL THE CHANGES http://loqi.me/6Fy
  104. # [17:07] <@tantek> ChiefRA - aaronpk is Loqi's author.
  105. # [17:07] * Loqi is done
  106. # [17:08] <ChiefRA> thanks
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  118. # [18:08] <Loqi> [[Iyaaa Apa aja yahhh ko gua cuma estate agents hackneyestate agents in hackney 3 mapel luhhh x]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Iyaaa_Apa_aja_yahhh_ko_gua_cuma_estate_agents_hackneyestate_agents_in_hackney_3_mapel_luhhh_x&rcid=66670 * MariettaAndrade * (+1456) New page: [[Image:estate_agents_hackneyestate_agents_in_hackney_2627.jpg|thumb|]] You don't see FemalesOutHereHav
  119. # [18:12] <Loqi> [[User:7fou01sdf6b]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:7fou01sdf6b&rcid=66671 * 7fou01sdf6b * (+11766) http://www.cestor.it/woolrichoutlet.cfm woolrich outlet bolo
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  124. # [18:29] <gjones> Latest beta of http://microformat2-node.jit.su/ is live has wide format support now
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  126. # [18:35] <gjones> @tantek if you have a moment can you check the expected test output on http://microformat2-node.jit.su/hreview.html is right for me. Mainly the parsing of 'item'
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  137. # [18:44] <Loqi> [[Make Voile Curtains Seem New - Valuable Suggestions]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Make_Voile_Curtains_Seem_New_-_Valuable_Suggestions&rcid=66676 * Lujan82 * (+3265) Do you already know what are the most effective approaches to clean your curtains? If not, you must really read this write-up. In case you do, you however ought to go through this since you could miss some
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  143. # [18:59] <Loqi> [[Su amorphophallus konjac son ritivititteki gizli özne benim lan]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Su_amorphophallus_konjac_son_ritivititteki_gizli_%C3%B6zne_benim_lan&rcid=66677 * OkhridaPham2 * (+1478) New page: [[Image:amorphophallus_konjac_3093.jpg|thumb|]] ah a q tva passando mal?? When people go on about the wire they always going on [http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008ZQ
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  170. # [22:09] <@tantek> welcome eschnou!
  171. # [22:09] <barnabywalters> hey eschnou
  172. # [22:09] <barnabywalters> so, for testing your µf output, try my http://waterpigs.co.uk/php-mf2
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  174. # [22:10] <barnabywalters> at the mo you have to copy the source in but I’m adding find-by-url as we speak
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  176. # [22:10] <@tantek> great news barnabywalters!
  177. # [22:10] <barnabywalters> as for representing note content with h-entry/hAtom, I think most of us are either ignoring entry-title or just using the content as the title as well
  178. # [22:11] <barnabywalters> e.g. my note class string is this:
  179. # [22:11] <barnabywalters> p-name entry-title p-summary summary e-content as-object-type-note
  180. # [22:11] <barnabywalters> to cover all bases ;)
  181. # [22:11] <@tantek> eschnou - Barnaby's excellent uf2 tester and other validators are list here: http://microformats.org/wiki/validators
  182. # [22:11] <eschnou> awesome ! thanks !
  183. # [22:12] <eschnou> barnabywalters, your script is not discovering a single entry... I guess I got something wrong somewhere :-)
  184. # [22:12] <barnabywalters> eschnou: did you turn on convert classic µf?
  185. # [22:13] <barnabywalters> the parser behind it is my µf2 parser, it only has basic support for classic microformats and you have to explicitly turn it on
  186. # [22:14] <@tantek> barnabywalters - why not have them on by default?
  187. # [22:14] <eschnou> yeah, it finds my hcard but not my entries.
  188. # [22:14] <barnabywalters> eschnou: I just tried, you’re right. Not sure what is causing this
  189. # [22:14] <eschnou> but now I'm lost.. I've added classes like hentry, entry-title, etc.
  190. # [22:14] <@tantek> also - do you think you might have a chance to add support for the other uf2 backward compat vocabularies? hopefully they're just in a table right?http://microformats.org/wiki/uf2#v2_vocabularies
  191. # [22:14] <eschnou> and you just mentionned p-name etc...
  192. # [22:15] <eschnou> where are these p- coming from ?
  193. # [22:15] <@tantek> eschnou - you probably want to add both the classic hAtom markup (more tools currently support) and h-entry (microformats2, more future proof)
  194. # [22:16] <eschnou> oki
  195. # [22:16] <barnabywalters> eschnou: btw, you’re duplicating <a> elements in the external links section — an <a> can go around an <img> and text at the same time
  196. # [22:21] <eschnou> barnabywalters, which spec is the as-object-type-note coming from ?
  197. # [22:22] <eschnou> thanks for the <a> mention, I'll try to change it and see if it does not break because of CSS.
  198. # [22:23] <barnabywalters> eschnou: not specced officially yet, it came from discussions I think tantek led at the FSW summit earlier this year
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  200. # [22:23] <barnabywalters> about activitystreams in µf
  201. # [22:23] * barnabywalters finds link
  202. # [22:24] <eschnou> cool !
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  204. # [22:26] <barnabywalters> ah ha! at the bottom of this page: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/federatedsocialweb/wiki/Federated_Social_Web_Summit_2012/notes
  205. # [22:26] <barnabywalters> µf wiki page on it here: http://microformats.org/wiki/activitystreams
  206. # [22:27] <barnabywalters> I am also using u-as-downstream-duplicate, actually — documenting
  207. # [22:29] <Loqi> [[existing-rel-values]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=existing-rel-values&diff=49673&oldid=49511&rcid=66682 * Ioseb * (-72)
  208. # [22:33] <@tantek> barnabywalters - on permalink pages at least, you could use rel="alternate" to link to downstream duplicates
  209. # [22:33] <eschnou> thanks barnabywalters !
  210. # [22:34] * @tantek wonders if a u-alternate would be useful
  211. # [22:39] <barnabywalters> tantek: I did consider that, I’ll add it
  212. # [22:39] <barnabywalters> well, adding u-alternate would make using parsed µf2 data easier, but it’s kinda redundant if rel is provided
  213. # [22:40] <barnabywalters> besides, the downstream duplicates aren’t really alternatives, they’re different, lower-quality content. it’s a different semantic IMO
  214. # [22:40] <eschnou> barnabywalters, I've just added µf v2 (h-entry) and now your parser works
  215. # [22:40] <eschnou> i guess you only check for h-entry and were not looking for hentry
  216. # [22:41] <barnabywalters> eschnou: that’s great, I’m just fixing the classic µf BC now
  217. # [22:42] <barnabywalters> oh btw I added all the other compatibility tables so once I *have* fixed this bug, php-mf2 has a decent understanding of most existing microformats
  218. # [22:43] <eschnou> cool !
  219. # [22:43] <eschnou> and I guess from the name that it is a php lib ?
  220. # [22:44] <barnabywalters> eschnou: github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/
  221. # [22:45] * eschnou looking at the php-mf2 lib examples
  222. # [22:45] <eschnou> awesome !
  223. # [22:45] <barnabywalters> I’ve published quite a bit of my indieweb-related code, too. The full system coming soon ;)
  224. # [22:46] <eschnou> yeah, really nice, didn't know there was a indieweb github account.
  225. # [22:48] <barnabywalters> eschnou: so php-mf2 picks up your classic µf markup if the single quoted attributes are changed to double quoted attributes.
  226. # [22:48] <Loqi> https://twitter.com/RatnaRanvier18 :: aq nglmbur garap lporan wi. ga tdur blas aq. ni dkose tmenq.RT @_dyadyaa Dimanaa mbakk yuu ? Tak ... http://tmi.me/HCarD
  227. # [22:48] <barnabywalters> I think this is a DOMDocument bug/"feature"
  228. # [22:50] <eschnou> barnabywalters, cool, should be straightforward to fix. Will do that !
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  230. # [23:10] <barnabywalters> I have a question about µf value-class datetime parsing as detailed here: http://microformats.org/wiki/value-class-pattern#Date_and_time_parsing
  231. # [23:10] <barnabywalters> it states: if the value has both a specific ISO8601 date and a specific time, use those and stop looking for "value" elements
  232. # [23:11] <barnabywalters> exactly what form should this check take? ISO8601 is fairly vague and permissive, so we can’t just check for the letter T
  233. # [23:12] * @tantek reads
  234. # [23:13] <@tantek> barnabywalters, re: alternatives, they’re different, lower-quality content - alternatives often are.
  235. # [23:13] <@tantek> it's still relevant
  236. # [23:13] <@tantek> and it's ok to be redundant/replacing 'rel' in this regard
  237. # [23:13] <@tantek> because meshing rel with our root/property microformats hasn't really worked well with authors
  238. # [23:13] <@tantek> rel is good for page level stuff
  239. # [23:13] <@tantek> microformats for chunks of data within
  240. # [23:14] <@tantek> barnabywalters re: ISO8601 date and a specific time, see the HTML5 <time> parsing spec on this.
  241. # [23:16] <barnabywalters> tantek: will do. that’s enough for tonight, but I want to get php-mf2 passing more of gjones’s µf test suite
  242. # [23:16] <barnabywalters> goodnight all
  243. # [23:16] <Loqi> night night
  244. # [23:16] <@tantek> barnabywalters - goodnight!
  245. # [23:16] <@tantek> and well done
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  247. # [23:31] <Loqi> [[activity-streams]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=activity-streams&diff=49674&oldid=42959&rcid=66683 * Tantek * (+190) update brainstorm for microformats2, and reflects actual IndieWeb use in the wild
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