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  27. # [03:59] <Loqi> https://twitter.com/mahemoff :: @borismus Actually Gravatar does support profiles (hCard in HTML, JSON ,etc) but I don't know who uses it https://en.gravatar.com/site/implement/profiles/
  28. # [04:05] <Loqi> https://twitter.com/borismus :: @mahemoff I think hcard has too much stuff. Gravatar works for images cuz its simple 1:1 - email:img. Maybe if they just had an email:bio?
  29. # [04:18] <Loqi> https://twitter.com/borismus :: @bmann #microformats are too complex. hcard has like a bajillion fields: http://t.co/LPPMXLSXLa. Need email-to-bio. Var length fields.
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  46. # [08:08] <fleishters> hi all
  47. # [08:09] <fleishters> beginning to implement microfmats and RDFa into my page, but am a bit confused:
  48. # [08:10] <fleishters> should i only implement microformats/RDFa on the main content, or should I use it on anything that machines might need further clarification for?
  49. # [08:10] <tommorris> depends on the microformat and/or RDFa. ;)
  50. # [08:10] <fleishters> (for example, even if my post isn't a review of Avatar, should I add microdata to the post to make it clear I'm speaking of Avatar the movie?)
  51. # [08:11] <fleishters> excuse me, not microdata.
  52. # [08:11] <tommorris> not sure what you mean by that. ;)
  53. # [08:11] <tommorris> if it isn't a review, then you probably shouldn't use hReview or equivalent
  54. # [08:12] <fleishters> I am more referring to RDFa with that example, where it defines something as an object and that object as a movie.
  55. # [08:13] <tommorris> so, with my RDFa hat on, I'd say there are ways to represent that
  56. # [08:13] <tommorris> like, each post is a Post. some subset of those are reviews
  57. # [08:13] <tommorris> the ones where it is just about a movie but isn't a review, you can use something like foaf:primaryTopic to represent that relation
  58. # [08:15] <fleishters> What if it's just a personal blog entry and there's some sentence like "Went to see Avatar."
  59. # [08:16] <tommorris> well, you could do something like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_(movie)" property="foaf:primaryTopic" rel="tag">Avatar</a>.
  60. # [08:16] * tommorris isn't sure primaryTopic is the correct property.
  61. # [08:17] <tommorris> yep, primaryTopic is the correct property for that
  62. # [08:17] <tommorris> relates a document to a thing.
  63. # [08:17] <tommorris> there's a stacking there of RDFa and microformats (rel-tag)
  64. # [08:17] <fleishters> Okay. Do you think something like that in the context of a personal blog entry is worthwhile?
  65. # [08:17] <tommorris> well, if you buy into the worth of RDFa, sure. whether it's worth doing is kind of up to you. ;)
  66. # [08:18] <tommorris> but then I'm an RDF nut and okay with that. I expect Tantek would quite probably disagree with me. :)
  67. # [08:18] <fleishters> I guess it's interesting when I want to do arbitrary queries like "How many times did I blog about a movie"
  68. # [08:19] <tommorris> thing with primaryTopic is that it "is functional: for any document it applies to, it can have at most one value"
  69. # [08:20] <tommorris> one can use foaf:topic as well
  70. # [08:20] <fleishters> Do you have a blog/site that you implement RDFa/microformats for?
  71. # [08:20] <tommorris> yep, my personal site
  72. # [08:20] <tommorris> I haven't necessarily done it as well as I could. ;)
  73. # [08:20] <tommorris> http://tommorris.org.
  74. # [08:20] <tommorris> http://tommorris.org/ rather
  75. # [08:22] <fleishters> ooh this markup is intriguing
  76. # [08:23] <tommorris> it's a bit hacky. there's lots I need to work on.
  77. # [08:24] <tommorris> (cobbler's children never have good shoes.)
  78. # [08:27] <fleishters> what an appropriate and true expression
  79. # [08:28] <fleishters> thank you for your help, and your site is a great example for me, even if it's hacky. gotta be off now.
  80. # [08:28] <fleishters> have a great --- night? whatever it is in london.
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  125. # [17:39] <tommorris> hey gjones - just downloading microformats-node to play with on the train back to London
  126. # [17:40] <tommorris> just want to do proof of concept on microformats2 hcite-to-bibtex.
  127. # [17:42] <gjones> Tell me how you get on, always good to get feedback
  128. # [17:42] <tommorris> downloaded it, ran `sudo npm link` and booted up the server, and run the legacy and current test suites, both of which pass
  129. # [17:43] <tommorris> my plan is to write some code (probably in Ruby or Python) that calls the microformats-node server with some documents containing hcite and then writing functions to convert them to bibtex
  130. # [17:44] <gjones> Is hcite is experimental format? is it document on the wiki?
  131. # [17:45] <tommorris> yeah, it's kinda experimental
  132. # [17:45] <tommorris> tantek is using it on his site
  133. # [17:45] <tommorris> and there is a proposal for adding it to wikipedia(!)
  134. # [17:45] <tommorris> writing the hcite-to-bibtex code atop microformats2 node parser is sort of an attempt to prove the concept
  135. # [17:46] <tommorris> and given I'm going to be spending the next 24 hours travelling, I figure I may as well have a crack at it. ;)
  136. # [17:46] <tommorris> (venice -> paris on overnight sleeper, then paris -> london on eurostar)
  137. # [17:47] <tommorris> anyway, the node daemon seems to be running and I have the source code from github. so, chocks away.
  138. # [17:47] <tommorris> if I get bored, I'll perhaps try and write a uf2 parser in Ruby.
  139. # [17:48] <gjones> if you are parsing microformats 2 i.e. h-cite should work out the box. If you want to parse microformats 1 version i.e. hcite you will need to create a new mapping file
  140. # [17:48] <tommorris> yeah, only going to bother with uf2
  141. # [17:49] <tommorris> also, I'll be interested to see how your parser copes with legacy-to-uf2
  142. # [17:49] <tommorris> mapping files.
  143. # [17:49] <tommorris> anyway, gotta shower and get ready to leave. thanks for the great work on making such a well-specced parser
  144. # [17:49] <gjones> Good luck and travels
  145. # [17:50] <tommorris> http://indiewebcamp.com/h-cite might be useful on the h-cite front
  146. # [17:50] <tommorris> or http://microformats.org/wiki/h-cite even ;)
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  148. # [18:15] * impomatic will probably use h-cite
  149. # [18:19] <impomatic> Would <abbr class="dt-published" title="YYYY-MM-DD">......</abbr> work / be appropriate? Also what to put if the day and/or month is unknown?
  150. # [18:21] <Loqi> [[User:Josephine]] NM http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Josephine&rcid=67650 * Josephine * (+255) New page: There is nothing to tell about me really.<br>Enjoying to be a member of microformats.org.I love webdesign and programming css templates.<br><br>I just hope Im useful at all<br><br>my webpa...
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  154. # [18:53] <Loqi> https://twitter.com/alonzo4768 :: trying to get Google+ to verify my authorship is maddening. How do I fix hCard problems? #google+ #coding
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  181. # [21:54] <impomatic> I want to mark up these citations (and a few hundred others), but h-cite doesn't seem suited to offline references http://twitcode.org/show/339/Sample-Citations
  182. # [21:55] <@tantek> impomatic, though h-cite was designed primarily for online references, most of its properties work for offline references as well
  183. # [21:56] <@tantek> e.g. the first example has an author, name (of work), publication, and published date
  184. # [21:56] <@tantek> we learned it's pretty futile to try to model every single possible citation property (you just end up with an overdesigned mess), so it makes more sense to markup common items for now.
  185. # [21:57] <@tantek> in fact, in the first item, the only thing left not marked up would be "4-5" - which doesn't even have any meaning out of context.
  186. # [21:57] <@tantek> (it's not clear what 4-5 means)
  187. # [22:00] <impomatic> 4-5 are the page numbers. Should the date be marked up <abbr class="dt-published" title="1987-03">Mar 1987</abbr> ?
  188. # [22:00] <@tantek> close. <time> is better: <time class="dt-published" datetime="1987-03">Mar 1987</time>
  189. # [22:00] <@tantek> what is the "1" before the date ?
  190. # [22:01] <@tantek> for any extra properties btw, since this is microformats2, you can experiment with p-x-* properties
  191. # [22:01] <@tantek> e.g. for the page numbers: <span class="p-x-page-numbers">4-5</span>
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  193. # [22:25] <impomatic> The "1" before the date is the issue number. (it was a periodical)
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  195. # [22:36] <@tantek> impomatic, so similarly then for the "1", <span class="p-x-issue-number">1</span>
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  203. # [23:10] <@tantek> p-x-* properties are handy that way
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