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  3. # [00:00] <Loqi> [[existing-rel-values]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=existing-rel-values&diff=50497&oldid=50495&rcid=68186 * Dglazkov * (+255)
  4. # [00:03] <@tantek> component - seems reasonable - assuming they make components actually work
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  9. # [00:46] <Loqi> https://twitter.com/SilviaMachado5 :: @Luiz_HCard se fosse tu ia adiantar uns capítulos do livro de adm isso sim! hauahuahuahauha
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  12. # [01:40] <JonathanNeal> hi
  13. # [02:20] <JonathanNeal> Are microformats only supposed to be used for contacts?
  14. # [02:20] <JonathanNeal> could there be a microformat for navigation, say?
  15. # [02:20] <@tantek> JonathanNeal see the intro here: http://microformats.org/wiki/
  16. # [02:21] <@tantek> there's the adr and geo formats for locations
  17. # [02:21] <tommorris> JonathanNeal: "navigation" is kinda broad.
  18. # [02:21] <tommorris> but it wouldn't be hard to do the equivalent of GPX in HTML.
  19. # [02:21] <tommorris> <ol>
  20. # [02:22] <tommorris> <li class="geo">...</li>
  21. # [02:22] <tommorris> ...
  22. # [02:22] <tommorris> </ol>
  23. # [02:22] <tommorris> HTML gives us quite useful semantics. ;)
  24. # [02:22] <@tantek> what do you mean by navigation?
  25. # [02:22] <@tantek> that's an action, not a noun
  26. # [02:23] * tommorris should probably mockup GPX in HTML (with geo and <time>) at some point given how much of an insufferable geodork he is.
  27. # [02:23] <@tantek> tommorris - what does GPX represent?
  28. # [02:23] <@tantek> JonathanNeal - for semantic class names that you asked about in that other place, see http://microformats.org/wiki/semantic-class-names
  29. # [02:23] <tommorris> GPX is just the standard XML format that you get from GPS devices representing a trace from, say, walking or driving
  30. # [02:24] <tommorris> it describes a series of places that one has been in order with timestamps.
  31. # [02:24] <@tantek> so it represents a path?
  32. # [02:24] <tommorris> basically
  33. # [02:24] <tommorris> hence an ordered list of geo points with <time>'s
  34. # [02:24] <@tantek> sounds like we should write it up
  35. # [02:24] <JonathanNeal> there are two major forms of navigation that I can think of; a representation of one's position or route between pages; or a structurally meaningful representation of pages and sections of a website.
  36. # [02:25] <tommorris> oh navigation in the metaphorical sense. ;)
  37. # [02:25] <JonathanNeal> site navigation
  38. # [02:25] <tommorris> <nav> element in HTML5.
  39. # [02:26] <tommorris> as for "one's position or route between pages" - that sounds suspiciously like statefulness, which is kind of anathema to HTTP. ;)
  40. # [02:26] <JonathanNeal> right, like what you might use with a <nav> to specify which link is current, or which links contain the current page, or what the state of certain links might be.
  41. # [02:26] <JonathanNeal> tommorris: it sounded like a breadcrumb to me.
  42. # [02:27] <tommorris> so, rel=self on the link to the current page
  43. # [02:27] <tommorris> if there's some kind of next/prev ordering, you can use rel="next" and rel="prev"
  44. # [02:27] <tommorris> what do you mean by the "state of certain links"?
  45. # [02:28] <JonathanNeal> rel="up" rel="up up" too, I suppose?
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  47. # [02:28] <@tantek> tommorris - is navigation close to directions? or different?
  48. # [02:28] <JonathanNeal> or would it be rel="down" when it's on the li containing the ul containing the li containing the current anchor.
  49. # [02:28] <@tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/directions
  50. # [02:29] <tommorris> tantek: so, there's some overlap. in the openstreetmap world, there's a tool called OSRM (Open Source Routing Machine) which does driving directions. it exports as GPX. I'll look at the markup and XML they use
  51. # [02:29] <@tantek> JonathanNeal - almost no one uses up or down
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  53. # [02:29] <@tantek> there's not really much use case for that
  54. # [02:30] <@tantek> though I've seen plenty of next/prev in the wild
  55. # [02:30] <@tantek> tommorris - perhaps you can add to http://microformats.org/wiki/directions-formats
  56. # [02:30] <tommorris> I don't know the structure of driving direction GPX (as I haven't yet passed my driving test, I've never attempted to use OSRM)
  57. # [02:31] <tommorris> but the point of it is you can download the directions onto a GPS device
  58. # [02:31] <Loqi> [[directions-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=directions-formats&diff=50498&oldid=37110&rcid=68187 * Tantek * (-32) entry-title fix, contributors from edit history not explicit list (that goes out of date, encourages bad behavior etc.)
  59. # [02:33] <@tantek> for the page/site navigation stuff, aka breadcrumbs, there's some work on that here: http://microformats.org/wiki/breadcrumbs
  60. # [02:33] <@tantek> we should expand that and brainstorm something
  61. # [02:33] <@tantek> people seem to publish breadcrumb markup often enough
  62. # [02:33] <Loqi> yea!
  63. # [02:35] <@tantek> lol
  64. # [02:37] <Loqi> [[directions-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=directions-formats&diff=50499&oldid=50498&rcid=68188 * TomMorris * (+472) adding GPX
  65. # [02:49] <Loqi> [[User:nifi581hee]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:nifi581hee&rcid=68189 * Nifi581hee * (+2199) Elevated nitrates and nitrites
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  75. # [03:39] <Loqi> [[Malcom X Islam Is The True Religion .]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Malcom_X_Islam_Is_The_True_Religion_.&rcid=68193 * Magregg51 * (+3159) Over the years, the paparazzi has snapped shots of dozens of musicians, actors, and models toting some of the fashion house most coveted purses, wallets, and sunglasses. Is the store really selling authentic Jordans shoes?
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  82. # [05:27] <JonathanNeal> ahhh circular internet
  83. # [05:29] <JonathanNeal> when you've worked hard to understand something you are building for the web, but you never fully get it, so you research it, and finally, months later, you come across a website that claims to have an example of how to do it right … and it's the one you originally wrote.
  84. # [05:29] <JonathanNeal> http://microformats.org/wiki/breadcrumbs-formats :\
  85. # [05:45] <JonathanNeal> I'm being told that rel="self" is a bad attribute.
  86. # [05:46] <JonathanNeal> "Bad value self for attribute rel on element a: Not an absolute IRI. The string self is not a registered keyword or absolute URL."
  87. # [06:13] <JonathanNeal> Putting something together for navigation @ https://gist.github.com/jonathantneal/5096851
  88. # [06:13] <JonathanNeal> site navigation, rather.
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  92. # [06:47] <Loqi> https://twitter.com/Amarakosuru :: Hlth Cards:Aadhar refused 2 give Emplye Data fr HCards.Hnce Govt thinkng fr alternate like BioMetrc.No clear decin on higher Lmt
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  113. # [10:10] <Loqi> https://twitter.com/webmarketing_dk :: Referencement Google: ADWORDS UTILISE OFFICIELLEMENT LES MICROFORMATS HREVIEW - Seller Rating... http://tinyurl.com/6xzbcv4 #referencement
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  136. # [14:40] <Loqi> https://twitter.com/UTFPPM :: Halth Cards:Aadhar refused 2 give Emplye Data fr HCards.Hnce Govt thinkng fr alternate like BioMetrc.No clear decin on higher Lmt
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  149. # [17:29] <Loqi> [[If you enjoy them there are many guided imagery]] N http://www.microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=If_you_enjoy_them_there_are_many_guided_imagery&rcid=68203 * MarvinwrscqddpssCuffy * (+2414) New page: When I focus on "art - in" I become aware of the Infinite artist within and allow that idea to gently move deep into my subconscious, including your own. Another mini awareness activity
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  153. # [17:42] <@tantek> JonathanNeal - did you work on breadcrumbs formats in the past?
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  156. # [18:05] <JonathanNeal> tantek: yes let me see if i can find it
  157. # [18:07] <JonathanNeal> tantek: https://gist.github.com/jonathantneal/4037764
  158. # [18:09] <JonathanNeal> yeap, i definitely worked on that with you, just four months ago. there's a reference to microformats
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  160. # [18:11] <Loqi> [[breadcrumbs-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=breadcrumbs-formats&diff=50506&oldid=49282&rcid=68206 * Tantek * (+48) add citation for ARIA breadcrumbs example
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  165. # [18:34] <Loqi> [[breadcrumbs-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=breadcrumbs-formats&diff=50507&oldid=50506&rcid=68207 * Tantek * (+6) /* Bing breadcrumbs */ update URL
  166. # [18:34] <Loqi> [[breadcrumbs]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=breadcrumbs&diff=50508&oldid=44593&rcid=68208 * Tantek * (+6) update URL
  167. # [18:36] <@tantek> JonathanNeal - I think with the development of microformats2 - we can propose a very simple breadcrumbs microformat - much simpler than existing solutions.
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  169. # [18:38] <Loqi> [[breadcrumbs-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=breadcrumbs-formats&diff=50509&oldid=50507&rcid=68209 * Tantek * (+0) /* Google rich snippet breadcrumbs */ fix link
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  174. # [18:57] <Loqi> [[hcard]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcard&diff=50510&oldid=47143&rcid=68210 * Tantek * (+259) /* Format */ clarify "tz" takes a timezone offset
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  178. # [19:11] <Loqi> [[breadcrumbs-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=breadcrumbs-formats&diff=50511&oldid=50509&rcid=68211 * Tantek * (+126) add summary of properties from Bing, Google rich snippet, and schemaorg WebPage breadcrumb markup - fairly strongly overlapping
  179. # [19:11] <JonathanNeal> working on breadcrumbs, tantek?
  180. # [19:15] <@tantek> JonathanNeal - you've inspired me.
  181. # [19:16] <@tantek> and enough pieces of microformats2 are working well now that it's time
  182. # [19:16] <JonathanNeal> Maybe you can help me settle something then.
  183. # [19:16] <JonathanNeal> What does "index" mean?
  184. # [19:17] <JonathanNeal> To narrow the scope, I'm referring to link/relationship types.
  185. # [19:17] <JonathanNeal> If you'd like, I can provide two popular but conflicting definitions.
  186. # [19:17] <@tantek> please do
  187. # [19:17] <@tantek> didn't we deprecate "index"?
  188. # [19:17] <JonathanNeal> "list of terms", "top level resource"
  189. # [19:18] * @tantek prefers rel="home"
  190. # [19:18] <@tantek> ah
  191. # [19:18] <@tantek> that first one is more useful
  192. # [19:18] <@tantek> index of terms
  193. # [19:18] <@tantek> rel="home" covers the top level resource use case
  194. # [19:19] <JonathanNeal> and "glossary" refers to a document providing a glossary of terms that pertain to the current document.
  195. # [19:19] <JonathanNeal> I don't see "home" in the spec, is it in HTML5?
  196. # [19:20] <JonathanNeal> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/types.html#type-links http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/links.html#linkTypes
  197. # [19:20] <JonathanNeal> To further confuse me, the MDN wiki takes side with "top level resource" https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/HTML/Link_types
  198. # [19:20] <JonathanNeal> and makes no mention of "home".
  199. # [19:22] <JonathanNeal> It seems microformats is becoming a canonical resource http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/links.html#other-link-types
  200. # [19:22] <@tantek> has become, yes
  201. # [19:23] <@tantek> HTML5 normatively references the microformats wiki existing-rel-values page for rel values
  202. # [19:24] <JonathanNeal> So, are glossary and index synonymous then.
  203. # [19:25] <JonathanNeal> Maybe history answers this. Traditionally, a glossary is an alphabetical list of terms and their definitions, while an index is a list of topics in alphabetical order with page numbers
  204. # [19:26] <JonathanNeal> In general, keywords should not define themselves. Could http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values#HTML5_link_type_extensions be updated?
  205. # [19:27] <@tantek> ah, I think "index" became ambiguous and thus should be used
  206. # [19:28] <@tantek> should NOT be used
  207. # [19:28] <@tantek> sure, what do you want to update?
  208. # [19:28] <@tantek> I'd say for the "list of topics in alphabetical order" you may want to make up a new rel value, e.g. rel="topic-index"
  209. # [19:28] <JonathanNeal> "glossary" and "index"
  210. # [19:29] <JonathanNeal> we have a clear definition of glossary, an alphabetical list of terms and their definitions, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloss
  211. # [19:32] <@tantek> go for it and edit the wiki, if any further corrections need to be made someone else can make them :)
  212. # [19:32] <JonathanNeal> Index is ambiguous, since the popular "index.html" would not conform to "a list of topics with pointers" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_(publishing)
  213. # [19:32] <@tantek> agreed
  214. # [19:32] <JonathanNeal> But maybe someone should also have that written down, in case the question comes back up, say, by me. :P
  215. # [19:33] <JonathanNeal> Okay, I'll take a stab.
  216. # [19:36] <JonathanNeal> I wish Chrome had a MediaWiki renderer.
  217. # [19:36] <JonathanNeal> So I could live preview this.
  218. # [19:39] <Loqi> [[existing-rel-values]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=existing-rel-values&diff=50512&oldid=50497&rcid=68212 * Jonathantneal * (+18) /* formats */ glossary definition
  219. # [19:39] <@tantek> nicely done
  220. # [19:42] <Loqi> [[existing-rel-values]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=existing-rel-values&diff=50513&oldid=50512&rcid=68213 * Jonathantneal * (+34) /* HTML5 link type extensions */ index definition
  221. # [19:43] <@tantek> see now that one is more of a semantic change, since before it was ambigous, and now it is specific to one meaning
  222. # [19:44] <@tantek> I'd like rel=index to mean that myself personally, but I'm not sure that reflects historical or actual usage
  223. # [19:44] <@tantek> which is that people tend to use it when linking to to the index.html of the current path / directory.
  224. # [19:45] <Loqi> [[breadcrumbs-brainstorming]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=breadcrumbs-brainstorming&rcid=68214 * Tantek * (+4063) draft based on the two common properties of existing breadcrumb formats, and microformats2 capabilities
  225. # [19:45] <Loqi> [[h-breadcrumb]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=h-breadcrumb&rcid=68215 * Tantek * (+52) r to current brainstorm
  226. # [19:46] <@tantek> JonathanNeal - take a look at http://microformats.org/wiki/h-breadcrumb and see what you think of that.
  227. # [19:48] <JonathanNeal> Why is it p-name and not u-name?
  228. # [19:48] <JonathanNeal> that's not to challenge, but simply because I think I lack some understanding of proper usage of u-.
  229. # [19:49] <JonathanNeal> I guess it's because the property name is available as a string.
  230. # [19:49] <JonathanNeal> the property value is available as a string, rather.
  231. # [19:49] <JonathanNeal> I really like what you've done here.
  232. # [19:50] <@tantek> u- means parse the property from URL related attributes first (e.g. href, src, etc.)
  233. # [19:51] <@tantek> p- means a normal property
  234. # [19:51] <@tantek> just the innertext
  235. # [19:51] <JonathanNeal> That makes sense, thanks. And, as it says, the u-url is implied
  236. # [19:51] <@tantek> thanks!
  237. # [19:51] <JonathanNeal> Otherwise it would be "p-name u-url"?
  238. # [19:51] <Loqi> [[timezone-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=timezone-examples&rcid=68216 * Tantek * (+533) let's start this
  239. # [19:51] <Loqi> [[tz-examples]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=tz-examples&rcid=68217 * Tantek * (+31) r
  240. # [19:51] <@tantek> JonathanNeal - exactly!
  241. # [19:53] <JonathanNeal> "home" defines itself, and I would like to clarify it without removing any intended ambiguity. Current it is "indicates that the [referenced document] is the homepage of the site in which the current page appears."
  242. # [19:53] <@tantek> brb
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  247. # [19:55] <Loqi> [[breadcrumbs-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=breadcrumbs-formats&diff=50518&oldid=50511&rcid=68218 * Tantek * (+75) no longer a stub, add links to process steps at top
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  250. # [19:58] <Loqi> [[breadcrumbs-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=breadcrumbs-brainstorming&diff=50519&oldid=50514&rcid=68219 * Tantek * (+224) include self in links in process section, todo, include JSON output of examples
  251. # [19:58] <@tantek> ok JonathanNeal, if you think h-breadcrumb looks good, try it in a few pages and see how it works with your markup
  252. # [19:58] <@tantek> then we can try microformats2 parsers on those pages and see how they do
  253. # [19:59] <JonathanNeal> I will. I'm working on navigation presently, but first, I'm almost done clarifying some of these definitions that use their own keywords.
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  255. # [20:00] <JonathanNeal> "home" typically means "introduction" and "top level", in the current microformats definition it says "[home] can be combined with 'alternate' to indicate for example a feed for the site of the current page". "site" emphasises its "top level"-ness.
  256. # [20:01] <@tantek> right, "home alternate" means an alternative link for the home/site - e.g. a feed for the site, rather than a feed for the page.
  257. # [20:02] <JonathanNeal> https://www.google.com/search?q=home+page&tbs=dfn:1 emphasises its "introductory"-ness
  258. # [20:03] <JonathanNeal> So, would it be best to define "home" sympathetic to both, as in "Refers to the introductory, top level document for the current document." ?
  259. # [20:03] <JonathanNeal> This way it satisfies the popular definition of home page as well as its recommended current usage.
  260. # [20:05] <JonathanNeal> If it matters, there is no rel="introduction"
  261. # [20:08] <JonathanNeal> And there doesn't seem to have ever been something like that http://diveintohtml5.info/semantics.html#new-relations
  262. # [20:08] <JonathanNeal> And this coming from a book with a well fleshed out introduction.
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  264. # [20:10] <@tantek> I think the introduction aspect is strictly secondary and including that in the definition would only possibly muddle things
  265. # [20:10] <@tantek> not all home pages are introductions
  266. # [20:11] <@tantek> some things (like some specs) have separate introduction pages
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  268. # [20:11] <@tantek> and the "home" page of the spec tends to be more boilerplate header + ToC
  269. # [20:11] <@tantek> many examples of this on w3.org/TR
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  271. # [20:15] <JonathanNeal> So then, "Refers to the top level document for the current document."
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  273. # [20:22] <JonathanNeal> ?
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  279. # [20:34] <Loqi> [[existing-rel-values]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=existing-rel-values&diff=50520&oldid=50513&rcid=68220 * Jonathantneal * (-79) /* HTML5 link type extensions */ home definition
  280. # [20:56] <@tantek> that seems reasonable
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  292. # [23:06] <@tantek> JonathanNeal - do you think there's an expectation for breadcrumb links that if you do go "up" a level, that at that level, there's a link to the current page?
  293. # [23:07] <JonathanNeal> not necessarily, in the case of search results.
  294. # [23:09] <@tantek> when would search results ever have a breadcrumb trail?
  295. # [23:16] <JonathanNeal> conceeded, a breadcrumb usually reflects a kind of global navigation
  296. # [23:17] <JonathanNeal> even if you have multiple, custom navigation menus, like WordPress and Drupal both offer.
  297. # [23:17] <@tantek> yeah
  298. # [23:17] <@tantek> in the simple case of a site of flat(ish) pages, where all they do is link back to the home page, I think rel="home" is sufficient
  299. # [23:18] <@tantek> I feel like a link is not really a breadcrumb unless it really is a way to get back (both directions)
  300. # [23:18] <JonathanNeal> "it" doesn't take you both ways, but the document that it references should.
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  302. # [23:18] <@tantek> yeah, that
  303. # [23:19] <@tantek> like if I have just one <a class="h-breadcrumb" href="foo"> on a page, then on page "foo" I'd expect it link to the current page in the content or in a list etc. - some way to go back down the path.
  304. # [23:27] <JonathanNeal> yeah, agreed
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  308. # [23:44] <JonathanNeal> I'm sad that github does not allow reference links in tables. I wanted to fork your link relations table and give it one voice.
  309. # [23:53] <@tantek> you mean *the* link relations table? ;)
  310. # [23:54] <@tantek> please feel free to continue making helpful English prose edits that you think make it easier to read
  311. # [23:57] * @tantek wonders how (not) easy it would be for anyone to come along and make helpful prose edits to anything in IANA or IETF.
  312. # [23:58] * gavinc snorts
  313. # [23:59] <gavinc> Trying to edit a factually wrong part of just a W3C document that just got published, and just in the status section. It is amazing how much "You can't do that" one gets
  314. # Session Close: Thu Mar 07 00:00:01 2013

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