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  1. # Session Start: Thu Mar 07 00:00:01 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #microformats
  3. # [00:00] * gavinc with implementor hat on I have the most sympathy... except it's WRONG. With Editor hat on, how the heck did that get into the document in the first place?! With AC hat on... I PAY FOR THIS?!
  4. # [00:06] <@tantek> gavinc - next time, make the errata of your W3C document/spec link to the W3C wiki and just edit it there ;)
  5. # [00:07] <gavinc> I learned that today, yes
  6. # [00:15] <JonathanNeal> tantek: I do want to make those edits, because they would be helpful to anyone writing html that follows those link relations. However, I wanted to give them one voice in a fork, and not live, so we could discuss the changes in easy comparison.
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  8. # [00:46] <JonathanNeal> Why do you nest the breadcrumbs?
  9. # [00:46] <JonathanNeal> Oh sorry, that's Google's example.
  10. # [00:46] <JonathanNeal> Y GOOGLE
  11. # [00:47] <JonathanNeal> Does the main page for microformats http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page use a different theme than other pages in the wiki?
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  14. # [00:53] <@tantek> JonathanNeal - you nest the breadcrumbs only when there are multiple breadcrumb paths on a page
  15. # [00:53] <@tantek> so you can distinguish each path
  16. # [00:53] <@tantek> instead of assuming all breadcrumbs on the page are part of one path
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  18. # [01:16] <Loqi> [[breadcrumbs-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=breadcrumbs-brainstorming&diff=50522&oldid=50519&rcid=68224 * Tantek * (+757) /* h-breadcrumb */ add subsections, FAQ for the question JonathanNeal asked, live example
  19. # [01:22] <Loqi> [[h-breadcrumbs]] NM http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=h-breadcrumbs&rcid=68225 * Tantek * (+26) r
  20. # [01:31] <Loqi> https://twitter.com/BrunoDemetriosD :: @Luiz_HCard nem vo te fala nada né auhsua
  21. # [01:31] <Loqi> https://twitter.com/BrunoDemetriosD :: @Luiz_HCard não cai na pira irmao ausha
  22. # [01:33] <Loqi> [[breadcrumbs-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=breadcrumbs-brainstorming&diff=50524&oldid=50522&rcid=68226 * Tantek * (+532) JSON output for simple example
  23. # [01:56] <Loqi> [[What Is The Real True Religion]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=What_Is_The_Real_True_Religion&rcid=68227 * Magregg51 * (+2885) The depths of hell, he would charge, would open up and swallow them, but such has not happened -- nor will it. Quality: With the latest cutting-edge technologies, replica Louis Vuitton purses are better made than ever before.
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  26. # [02:07] <Loqi> [[breadcrumbs-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=breadcrumbs-brainstorming&diff=50526&oldid=50524&rcid=68228 * Tantek * (+1232) JSON outputs updated/fixed/added
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  29. # [02:08] <@tantek> ok I'd say we're pretty darn close having a good to go h-breadcrumbs microformat
  30. # [02:08] <@tantek> now to try it on some real world pages
  31. # [02:08] <@tantek> first, to implement some pages that would make sense with it
  32. # [02:08] <@tantek> like personal site archives, date hierarchy and all that
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  36. # [03:01] <JonathanNeal> hello
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  45. # [03:57] <Loqi> [[existing-rel-values]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=existing-rel-values&diff=50527&oldid=50520&rcid=68231 * Itst * (+178) Added "publisher" to POSH
  46. # [03:59] <Loqi> [[Linux Web Hosting: The Positives And Negatives]] N http://www.microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Linux_Web_Hosting:_The_Positives_And_Negatives&rcid=68232 * Icex47 * (+3068) Which is why, Traffic Mavericks would work for serious companies, internet marketers, affiliates perhaps eBook entrepreneurs. Hence, this is one of many issues that you're going to desire to look for before you ge
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  50. # [04:41] <Loqi> [[User:scbbbwecsdb]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:scbbbwecsdb&rcid=68233 * Scbbbwecsdb * (+3534) Be A single With Mother nature Using These Camping outdoors
  51. # [04:42] <Loqi> [[User:scbbbwecsdb]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:scbbbwecsdb&diff=50530&oldid=50529&rcid=68234 * Scbbbwecsdb * (+3476) /* Specialist Tips For Offering Personalized Or Business Proper */ new section
  52. # [04:43] <Loqi> [[User:scbbbwecsdb]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:scbbbwecsdb&diff=50531&oldid=50530&rcid=68235 * Scbbbwecsdb * (+3311) /* Seeking Trend Suggestions */ new section
  53. # [04:43] <Loqi> [[User:scbbbwecsdb]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:scbbbwecsdb&diff=50532&oldid=50531&rcid=68236 * Scbbbwecsdb * (+3486) /* Learning To Prepare food The Enjoyment And Simple Way */ new section
  54. # [04:43] <JonathanNeal> Is this spam?
  55. # [04:43] <JonathanNeal> What Loqi is reporting?
  56. # [04:43] <Loqi> who, me?
  57. # [04:44] <Loqi> [[User:scbbbwecsdb]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:scbbbwecsdb&diff=50533&oldid=50532&rcid=68237 * Scbbbwecsdb * (+3527) /* Tips That Will Make You Peer Similar To A Superstar */ new section
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  59. # [04:46] <Loqi> [[User:scbbbwecsdb]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:scbbbwecsdb&diff=50535&oldid=50534&rcid=68239 * Scbbbwecsdb * (+3762) /* Good Hair Care Suggestions That Anyone Can Consider */ new section
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  61. # [04:47] <Loqi> [[User:scbbbwecsdb]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:scbbbwecsdb&diff=50537&oldid=50536&rcid=68241 * Scbbbwecsdb * (+3477) /* The Advantages And Rewards Of Getting An IPhone */ new section
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  70. # [08:21] <tommorris> tantek: morning. You now have an entry in Wikidata. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3515304
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  75. # [08:25] <@tantek> tommorris - fascinating
  76. # [08:27] <tommorris> they exist to reduce duplication of data across the different sites
  77. # [08:30] <iSRAELi> hi
  78. # [08:30] <iSRAELi> can i do
  79. # [08:30] <iSRAELi> <span class="fn org"> <img alt="THE TEXT">
  80. # [08:30] <iSRAELi> ?
  81. # [08:30] <iSRAELi> or i must have clear text?
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  83. # [08:39] <Loqi> https://twitter.com/GES_SA :: Razer Blackshark Review http://www.ges-sa.co.za/Gaming/hreviews/blackshark.php http://www.ges-sa.co.za/Gaming/hreviews/blackshark.php
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  86. # [08:58] <@tantek> iSRAELi - if you want the fn and org to use the alt text, you can put the class names directly on the <img>
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  92. # [09:43] <gjones> tantek sorry I did not pick your message the other day, had a look at changes to parse rules
  93. # [09:43] <@tantek> gjones - no problem
  94. # [09:47] <gjones> think parse rules need to say if a h-* inside another h-* should also be added to top level JSON items collection in its own right or only as a child/property of parent
  95. # [09:48] <gjones> think this is the point barnaby was making
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  99. # [10:52] <Loqi> [[User:Victorina]] NM http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Victorina&rcid=68247 * Victorina * (+191) New page: I am 36 years old and my name is Victorina Alcorn. I life in M�che (Switzerland).<br><br><br>my site; [http://www.bb.banban.jp/~kfh10301/cgi-bin/aska.cgi mouse click the up coming docume...
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  105. # [11:56] <Loqi> [[View the rule clearly before making bad credit short term loans]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=View_the_rule_clearly_before_making_bad_credit_short_term_loans&rcid=68250 * Alsuchla17 * (+2940) When urgent circumstance like unexpected moment are usually happened and ought to be satisfied soon. Whilst you nonetheless hesitate to learn the resource of loaner for mortgage l
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  120. # [17:09] <Loqi> https://twitter.com/ChrissParedess :: I love that I broke my card. My mom just gives me money everyday like its nothing. If I had my hcard she would say " you have your card "
  121. # [17:20] <Loqi> [[If You Buy Cialis Online, You Obtain The Best ED Medication4521773]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=If_You_Buy_Cialis_Online%2C_You_Obtain_The_Best_ED_Medication4521773&rcid=68253 * LeandrawcbiysuuyiCalin * (+2332) New page: The sexual health of a man’s life concerns sexual gratification and mental health. A man can entirely be affected once erectile dysfunction takes p
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  123. # [17:40] <Loqi> https://twitter.com/alexis_drabkin :: RT @ChrissParedess: I love that I broke my card. My mom just gives me money everyday like its nothing. If I had my hcard she would say " ...
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  134. # [18:25] <iSRAELi> hi
  135. # [18:25] <Loqi> [[User:Margarita]] NM http://www.microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Margarita&rcid=68256 * Margarita * (+211) New page: Nothing to tell about myself I think.<br>Feels good to be a member of this site.<br>I really hope I am useful in some way .<br><br>Feel free to visit my weblog - [http://www.photocopiersal...
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  149. # [19:41] <Loqi> https://twitter.com/secretmildred :: @timhettler No hCard? :*(
  150. # [19:41] <Loqi> [[User:Frisor]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Frisor&rcid=68259 * Frisor * (+5057) New page: 5 tips til hvordan du kan få ham Email Skal date nummer et blive til to, tre, fire eller flere? Følg disse fem regler for at forbedre dine chancer. Første dates er næsten ligesom ...
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  156. # [20:48] <JonathanNeal> what's new?
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  158. # [20:58] <@tantek> JonathanNeal - check out my h-breadcrumb write-up: http://microformats.org/wiki/h-breadcrumb
  159. # [20:58] <JonathanNeal> reading
  160. # [20:59] <@tantek> with JSON output, and FAQ (as you asked) and everything :)
  161. # [20:59] <JonathanNeal> i hope i bookmarked that parser.
  162. # [21:00] <JonathanNeal> Interesting how you require nesting for the most common uses of breadcrumbs.
  163. # [21:01] <JonathanNeal> Which is to show the nested relation between the current page and the root.
  164. # [21:01] <@tantek> how did you get that misimpression?
  165. # [21:02] <@tantek> this is the most common use - and doesn't require nesting: http://microformats.org/wiki/h-breadcrumb#example
  166. # [21:02] <JonathanNeal> http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing - am i missing the list of parsers.
  167. # [21:02] <@tantek> right there at the top of the page
  168. # [21:02] <@tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#implementations
  169. # [21:03] <JonathanNeal> Oh, I misunderstood "If a page has multiple breadcrumb paths to the current document, then more explicit markup must be used."
  170. # [21:03] <@tantek> reword?
  171. # [21:03] <JonathanNeal> multiple breadcrumb is useful when surfing by tag, I take it.
  172. # [21:03] <JonathanNeal> or when navigating down a tag tree versus a … whatever the normal kind of tree is called.
  173. # [21:05] <Loqi> https://twitter.com/guyrosendahl :: trying to get Google+ to verify my authorship is maddening. How do I fix hCard problems? #google+ #coding
  174. # [21:06] <Loqi> [[parsers]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=parsers&diff=50544&oldid=47800&rcid=68262 * Jonathantneal * (-1) /* Microformat Node */ broken link
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  176. # [21:12] <JonathanNeal> I made a bookmarklet out of microformat-node.
  177. # [21:12] <JonathanNeal> javascript:location='http://microformat-node.jit.su/api?url='+location;
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  179. # [21:21] <JonathanNeal> tantek: I like it. I'll adopt it. I already wrote to our engineering department about adopting microformats for all the things.
  180. # [21:21] <JonathanNeal> Which would then trickle down into all of our customers.
  181. # [21:24] <@tantek> glad to hear it!
  182. # [21:27] <JonathanNeal> With our breadcrumbs, we don't know if it will be tag based or tree based.
  183. # [21:27] <JonathanNeal> So, we might need to always use the later format.
  184. # [21:30] <JonathanNeal> Is there a stubbed h-sitenavigation or whatever the word you would use is?
  185. # [21:31] <JonathanNeal> I like the FAQ, at the bottom, by the way.
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  191. # [22:08] <@tantek> not sure what a sitenavigation microformat would do
  192. # [22:09] <@tantek> the breadcrumbs are useful for previews/context
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  194. # [22:13] <barnabywalters> I assume someone has already mentioned this, but surely rel=up or rel=parent would be ideal for (at least the first level of) breadcrumbs?
  195. # [22:19] <@tantek> barnabywalters - sure if all you have is one level then rel=up is fine
  196. # [22:20] <@tantek> but nearly no one uses those in the wild
  197. # [22:20] <@tantek> and rel=parent is now part of XFN - meaning actual parent, not computer science abstraction "parent"
  198. # [22:20] <@tantek> but in practice breadcrumbS (emphasis on the plural) are more than one and thus a breadcrumbS format needs something more
  199. # [22:20] <@tantek> a single *breadcrumb* could use just a rel
  200. # [22:21] <@tantek> but a single breadcrumb is also not really distinguishable from any other link
  201. # [22:21] <@tantek> it's only when you have a series of breadcrumbs are they recognizable as such
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  207. # [22:42] <JonathanNeal> tantek: i don't know how to ask the positive form of this question: how would sitenavigation be not useful as a parsable thing?
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  209. # [22:43] <JonathanNeal> there are great similaraties between a menu and a breadcrumb trail.
  210. # [22:43] <@tantek> well if you can't name a specific use, then it's not useful
  211. # [22:43] <JonathanNeal> in fact, a breadcrumb should imply the ability to navigate bi-directionally. a breadcrumb is merely a useful slice of the navigation pie.
  212. # [22:43] <@tantek> hence the need to document use-cases
  213. # [22:44] <@tantek> except for breadcrumbs we have the specific use-case of displaying context for a page in a page summary
  214. # [22:44] <@tantek> navigation has no similar use-case
  215. # [22:44] <JonathanNeal> it's a site summary, yes, not a document summary.
  216. # [22:45] <JonathanNeal> it's a corpus summary :)
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  219. # [22:55] <Loqi> [[Is It Definitely Worthwhile to Go through A Tervis Evaluation?]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Is_It_Definitely_Worthwhile_to_Go_through_A_Tervis_Evaluation%3F&rcid=68263 * Hroscoe25 * (+3026) Plenty of individuals are very inclined to sipping coffee soon after getting out of bed, having a cup of tea right after a meal, as well as drinking a cup of milk before sleeping.
  220. # [22:56] <tommorris> moar spam. yay.
  221. # [22:56] <JonathanNeal> That looks important.
  222. # [22:56] <Loqi> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * TomMorris * deleted "[[Is It Definitely Worthwhile to Go through A Tervis Evaluation?]]": Vandalism
  223. # [22:56] <JonathanNeal> How do they get bpast your captcha?
  224. # [22:56] <Loqi> [[Special:Log/block]] block * TomMorris * blocked [[User:Hroscoe25]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites
  225. # [22:56] <tommorris> by hand
  226. # [22:57] <JonathanNeal> Does that include account creation?
  227. # [22:57] <tommorris> Not sure
  228. # [22:58] <JonathanNeal> http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&type=signup&returnto=Main_Page yes, account creation also requires a captcha.
  229. # [22:59] <JonathanNeal> Why go through all of that effort, continually? It makes one wonder if they're in some country that is suffering some famine and getting paid to do this.
  230. # [23:00] <tommorris> there's a reason I need to nudge Wikimedia into distributing a safe-from-spam default shipping of MediaWiki.
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