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  5. # [00:37] <Loqi> [[hcard-authoring]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcard-authoring&diff=53962&oldid=49147&rcid=75200 * Siera * (+98)
  6. # [01:08] <DanC_> tantek, your perseverence is monumental. The W3C AB is some of the least glamorous work I've ever seen. Kudos for taking it on!
  7. # [01:09] <Loqi> [[Bremco Material Handling Equipment]] NM http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Bremco_Material_Handling_Equipment&rcid=75201 * August157 * (+2953) New page: The specific organizations behind this skill whooping crane reintroduction project include the International Crane Foundation; Operation Migration, Inc; Wisconsin Deparment of Natural Reso...
  8. # [01:10] <DanC_> ?!
  9. # [01:10] <DanC_> spam, no?
  10. # [01:10] <DanC_> where's the anti-vandalism button?
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  13. # [01:12] <Loqi> [[hcard-authoring]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcard-authoring&diff=53964&oldid=53962&rcid=75204 * Tantek * (-98) Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/Siera|Siera]] ([[User talk:Siera|Talk]]) to last version by [[User:Tantek|Tantek]]
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  15. # [01:13] <@tantek> DanC_ you can always ask for adminhelp <-- literal term that admins watch for
  16. # [01:13] <DanC_> I see
  17. # [01:14] <DanC_> it's wild to see the community taking back W3C; a lot of people were ready to just flush it down the toilet
  18. # [01:16] <Loqi> [[User:Broderick]] NM http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Broderick&rcid=75206 * Broderick * (+307) New page: Hi, My name is Dee Salinas. I've been unemployed for nearly two years, and I need to keep up my computer and editing skills, or I won't ever be able to get back to work. I'm looking forwa...
  19. # [01:17] <DanC_> ugh.
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  21. # [01:21] <@tantek> DanC - yeah - I already got a complaint email from a process-focused person
  22. # [01:21] <@tantek> I'm just going to keep doing and ignore talker complaints
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  50. # [06:23] <Loqi> [[Is a Work from Home MLM Business Right for You?]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Is_a_Work_from_Home_MLM_Business_Right_for_You%3F&rcid=75210 * Viewtile8 * (+3296) New page: This is actually relatively possible that you are considering this too or maybe you can't stand your project! If you been in retail, sales, or you get any sort of customer support experie...
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  62. # [08:37] <Loqi> https://twitter.com/tech88tech :: RT @Element321: WP Reviews #wordpress Plugin – the Author hReview Plugin’s Big Brother http://www.evolutionarydesigns.net/blog/2013/06/04/wp-reviews-plugin-author-hreview/
  63. # [08:42] <Loqi> [[Water for the Wild West: Plumbing College Station]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Water_for_the_Wild_West:_Plumbing_College_Station&rcid=75218 * Chauaex3pe * (+3622) New page: A long time in the past, folks used jars and had water bearers in order for them to have water transported to their homes. During the time of the Romans, water ducts are created and these ...
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  94. # [10:13] <ChiefRA> tantek how can I start the translation process for microformats 2 in Romanian?
  95. # [10:13] <ChiefRA> what's the accepted URL format for this?
  96. # [10:14] <@tantek> so there's a Romanian translation in progress here: http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page-ro
  97. # [10:14] <@tantek> see http://microformats.org/wiki/how-to-start-new-translation for the URL format and other details
  98. # [10:15] <ChiefRA> this one I know, I have contributed in the past to it.
  99. # [10:15] <ChiefRA> the main page in RO
  100. # [10:15] <ChiefRA> what I don't know is how to start the new one.
  101. # [10:15] <ChiefRA> the mf2
  102. # [10:16] <@tantek> ChiefRA, you start by changing the links on the main page in RO to also have -ro on them and then you start clicking/creating those pages
  103. # [10:17] <@tantek> see http://microformats.org/wiki/stable-pages for pages to also translate to *-ro versions
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  106. # [10:21] <ChiefRA> ok
  107. # [10:22] <@tantek> if that's not clear from http://microformats.org/wiki/how-to-start-new-translation could you suggest rewording or a new paragraph for that page to answer the question you asked?
  108. # [10:22] <ChiefRA> what I wish to add, is that the link to the mf2 page,
  109. # [10:22] <ChiefRA> should be residing as close as the top of the page as possible.
  110. # [10:23] <ChiefRA> here, http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page after the first paragraph should be placed the link tothe new version of mf, saying maybe latest version of microformats can be found here, or smth like this.
  111. # [10:23] <ChiefRA> the latest version is microformats 2 (with link beneth)
  112. # [10:23] <@tantek> ah I see - higher than just specifications
  113. # [10:24] <ChiefRA> yes.
  114. # [10:24] <@tantek> that makes sense - let me see what I can do
  115. # [10:24] <ChiefRA> it will improve the CTR
  116. # [10:26] <ChiefRA> the language should be structured in directories e.g. instead of http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page-ro we should have http://microformats.org/ro/wiki/Main_Page (the same structure as the english version but with )the /RO/ directory in between
  117. # [10:27] <ChiefRA> this would ease users experience on the website and Search Engines website structural understanding
  118. # [10:29] <@tantek> ChiefRA - it's harder in terms of the wiki
  119. # [10:29] <@tantek> much simpler to just use the same hiearchy
  120. # [10:29] <@tantek> that way you can change things incrementally easily, e.g. links like [[hcard]] still work when you translating
  121. # [10:29] <@tantek> and then it is easy to change from [[hcard]] to [[hcard-ro]]
  122. # [10:30] <ChiefRA> ok, it makes sense
  123. # [10:33] <ChiefRA> ok, when you place the mf2 link on top, let me know to make the same adjustment for the main page in Romanian also.
  124. # [10:33] <Loqi> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=53976&oldid=52882&rcid=75237 * Tantek * (+114) note microformats2 is ready for use in the summary at the top.
  125. # [10:33] <@tantek> ChiefRA take a look and let me know if that's sort of what you're thinking
  126. # [10:37] <ChiefRA> in a sec.
  127. # [10:40] <ChiefRA> I suggest to make it like this: New: microformats2 is the latest stable & interoperable markup language extention. Use it on public web pages and for HTML APIs.
  128. # [10:40] <ChiefRA> :)
  129. # [10:41] <@tantek> like the other part of the intro paragraph
  130. # [10:41] <ChiefRA> yes, but the the keywords arrangement makes the difference
  131. # [10:41] <ChiefRA> when people search for it in google.
  132. # [10:42] <ChiefRA> e.g. what's the latest markup language?
  133. # [10:42] <ChiefRA> OR what the latest microformats?
  134. # [10:43] <Loqi> [[Main Page]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=53977&oldid=53976&rcid=75238 * Tantek * (+51) make it clear about the markup language extension
  135. # [10:43] <@tantek> how about that?
  136. # [10:44] <ChiefRA> I don't see any difference.
  137. # [10:44] <@tantek> +51 ^^^ ;)
  138. # [10:44] <@tantek> click the link
  139. # [10:44] <ChiefRA> DOH! :)) now it's ok.
  140. # [10:44] <ChiefRA> I like it better.
  141. # [10:45] <@tantek> :)
  142. # [10:45] <@tantek> thanks for your suggestions
  143. # [10:45] <@tantek> we'll see if it helps!
  144. # [10:45] <ChiefRA> you're welcome :)
  145. # [10:45] <ChiefRA> one more thing:
  146. # [10:45] <ChiefRA> I;ve noticed we have 2 duplicate pages for microformats2: one is http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2 and the other one is http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2
  147. # [10:46] <ChiefRA> the 2nd one should be 301 redirected toward the first one.
  148. # [10:46] <ChiefRA> also, there are links in articles towards the 2nd URL type.
  149. # [10:47] <@tantek> can you help with fixing those links to always go to "microformats2" ?
  150. # [10:47] <ChiefRA> I cannot, as It seems that I don't have access anymore on editing main pages.
  151. # [10:47] <@tantek> what you're seeing with microformats-2 is just the way MediaWiki does redirects
  152. # [10:47] <@tantek> it's not something we can really help
  153. # [10:47] <ChiefRA> at least the english ones doesn't have the Edit button active anymore.
  154. # [10:49] <ChiefRA> try to put a rel=canonical tag on the 2nd URL <head> section then, towards the main URL.
  155. # [10:49] <ChiefRA> that would help.
  156. # [10:50] <ChiefRA> e.g. on the http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2 <head> section of the page code, add <link rel="canonical" href="http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2" />
  157. # [10:59] <ChiefRA> on a side note: the microformats2 page, should also be referred from the main page of the website http://microformats.org/ like perhaps a new small right box in between "What are microformats?" and "Microformat specifications" saying something like "Microformat version" as a title and place both versions, the old one is the latest with a short description, and the new one should be imediately under the title, with the same description below: microfo
  158. # [11:03] <@tantek> ChiefRA I wonder if there is a rel canonical extension for MediaWiki for that
  159. # [11:05] <Loqi> [[admin-to-do]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=admin-to-do&diff=53978&oldid=53884&rcid=75239 * Tantek * (+478) main site suggested improvement
  160. # [11:05] <@tantek> ChiefRA captured: http://microformats.org/wiki/admin-to-do#inbox
  161. # [11:05] <@tantek> feel free to edit that to be more specific if you like
  162. # [11:11] <ChiefRA> hol;d on, I'll put an example too, I'm creating it as we speak.
  163. # [11:12] <ChiefRA> just tell me how can I edit main english pages to change the microformats-2 URL referrals
  164. # [11:12] <@tantek> I don't know
  165. # [11:12] <@tantek> maybe just collect which pages you think need editing?
  166. # [11:15] <Loqi> [[Nibiru Nibiru Nibiru Nibiru Nibiru Nibiru Nibiru Nibiru Nibiru Nibiru]] N http://www.microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Nibiru_Nibiru_Nibiru_Nibiru_Nibiru_Nibiru_Nibiru_Nibiru_Nibiru_Nibiru&rcid=75240 * Tylorhuntqqk * (+2960) New page: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_cataclysm nibiru] nibiru nibiru nibiru nibiru nibiru nibiru nibiru nibiru nibiru nibiru nibiru nibiru nibiru nibi
  167. # [11:15] <ChiefRA> this is the example of the right mini box I was talking about: http://screencast.com/t/77YHGASumqm
  168. # [11:15] <Loqi> [[Nibiru Nibiru Nibiru Nibiru Nibiru Nibiru Nibiru Nibiru Nibiru Nibiru]] M http://www.microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Nibiru_Nibiru_Nibiru_Nibiru_Nibiru_Nibiru_Nibiru_Nibiru_Nibiru_Nibiru&diff=53980&oldid=53979&rcid=75241 * ChiefRA * (-2960) spam
  169. # [11:16] <ChiefRA> I will add this example
  170. # [11:16] <ChiefRA> there also, to the suggestion
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  173. # [11:17] <@tantek> ok cool - yes go ahead and try to edit the page(s) and if you can't just ask for adminhelp in doing them (that's a keyword)
  174. # [11:17] <@tantek> one of the admins should be able to help you out
  175. # [11:17] <@tantek> off to bed
  176. # [11:18] <ChiefRA> nn tantek, I can't edit it.
  177. # [11:18] <ChiefRA> so someone which have access to the HTML code, should be doing it.
  178. # [11:18] <ChiefRA> :)
  179. # [11:18] <ChiefRA> hopefully, they'll read our chat :)
  180. # [11:18] <@tantek> so when you can't edit "it"
  181. # [11:18] <@tantek> you must say *what* URL you can't edit, and say "adminhelp" so an admin can notice you need help
  182. # [11:19] <ChiefRA> oki doki.
  183. # [11:19] <@tantek> thanks
  184. # [11:19] <ChiefRA> yw
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  186. # [11:21] <Loqi> [[admin-to-do]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=admin-to-do&diff=53981&oldid=53978&rcid=75244 * ChiefRA * (+83) /* inbox */ added the example
  187. # [11:21] <@tantek> there you go - at least you can edit that page
  188. # [11:21] <@tantek> so you can add more requests there
  189. # [11:21] <ChiefRA> yep.
  190. # [11:21] <ChiefRA> should I add the rel=canonical also ?
  191. # [11:22] <ChiefRA> as an admin-to-do task?
  192. # [11:22] <@tantek> yes that would be a good suggestion for the wiki area
  193. # [11:22] <@tantek> or you can just add it to the inbox
  194. # [11:22] <@tantek> and I'll process it
  195. # [11:22] <@tantek> inbox section at the top
  196. # [11:22] <@tantek> that's probably better
  197. # [11:22] <ChiefRA> ok, I'll place it there.
  198. # [11:30] <Loqi> [[admin-to-do]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=admin-to-do&diff=53982&oldid=53981&rcid=75245 * ChiefRA * (+638) /* inbox */ duplicate content issue solving issue
  199. # [11:33] <Loqi> [[admin-to-do]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=admin-to-do&diff=53983&oldid=53982&rcid=75246 * ChiefRA * (+17) /* inbox */ minor adjustments
  200. # [11:36] <ChiefRA> tantek by accident, you're still on?
  201. # [11:37] <Loqi> https://twitter.com/AllStuffCodes :: WP Reviews Plugin - the Author hReview Plugin’s Big Brother http://www.evolutionarydesigns.net/blog/2013/06/04/wp-reviews-plugin-author-hreview/ via @element321
  202. # [11:37] <Loqi> https://twitter.com/AllStuffCodes :: WP Reviews Plugin - the Author hReview Plugin’s Big Brother http://www.evolutionarydesigns.net/blog/2013/06/04/wp-reviews-plugin-author-hreview/ via @element321
  203. # [11:37] <ChiefRA> adminhelp guys I would need the Wiki source codes for the main english pages to be able to translate them as they are not editable anymore (maybe protected from admin?). How can I get that? (It's very hard to translate pages without having the original source code, as you have to template everything from the scratch which is waste of time).
  204. # [11:42] <Loqi> [[microformats2-ro]] NM http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-ro&rcid=75247 * ChiefRA * (+50) creating microformats2 Romanian version.
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  292. # [16:55] <Loqi> [[Special:Log/protect]] modify * Tantek * changed protection level for "[[microformats2]]": unprotect to help with translation [edit=autoconfirmed:move=sysop]
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  294. # [16:56] <@tantek> ChiefRA, re: "the main english pages" - mention *specific* pages and "adminhelp" as you start translating them, and we can unprotect them incrementally.
  295. # [16:57] <@tantek> I saw you started microformats2-ro so I unprotected microformats2 to help with that
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  332. # [18:06] <ChiefRA> tantek ok thanks. I'll keep you posted once it's finished.
  333. # [18:07] <alefteris> in h-card 2, can I use p-name as a container for p-given-name, etc.? In hCard 1, I could use "n" for that
  334. # [18:10] <ChiefRA> alefteris let me check.
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  336. # [18:11] <ChiefRA> as far as I understand it, p-anme is the old fn
  337. # [18:11] <ChiefRA> p-name*
  338. # [18:12] <ChiefRA> so yes, you could do it.
  339. # [18:12] <ChiefRA> to be sure, do it and test it with the microformats2 parser.
  340. # [18:13] <@tantek> alefteris - yes
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  343. # [18:14] <ChiefRA> tantek I can't find the parser address in the mf2 page.
  344. # [18:14] <ChiefRA> I wanted to give it to alefteris for testing.
  345. # [18:14] <@tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/uf2#Implementations
  346. # [18:15] <ChiefRA> alefteris see the link above from tantek for testing your implementations.
  347. # [18:15] <alefteris> are there any web parsers that accept html and parse microformats 2?
  348. # [18:15] <alefteris> I haven't got anything live yet
  349. # [18:16] <alefteris> ok checking out a few, thanks
  350. # [18:16] <Loqi> [[validators]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=validators&diff=53993&oldid=49106&rcid=75268 * Tantek * (+154) /* general purpose validators */ Test your microformatted web page with
  351. # [18:16] <ChiefRA> put it live, it's quite simple, make only a standard HTML code around it and that it.
  352. # [18:16] <@tantek> ChiefRA - I've been trying to include such microformats2 tools/content on the general pages
  353. # [18:16] <ChiefRA> that's it.
  354. # [18:16] <@tantek> e.g. for validating, see: http://microformats.org/wiki/validators
  355. # [18:17] <@tantek> alefteris re: any web parsers that accept html and parse microformats 2 - see above Implementations link - plenty of open source parsers and online services
  356. # [18:18] <ChiefRA> alefteris you can paste your mf2 implementation code here: http://waterpigs.co.uk/php-mf2/
  357. # [18:18] <ChiefRA> see what happens.
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  359. # [18:18] <ChiefRA> tantek, http://microformats.org/wiki/validators it's a nice resource, we should use that more ofter within the pages.
  360. # [18:19] <@tantek> cool
  361. # [18:19] <@tantek> perhaps consider adding it to the list of pages you're translating :)
  362. # [18:19] <alefteris> I tried http://waterpigs.co.uk/php-mf2/ but the result while it parses everything, it doesn't show any structure, for ex. that name contains given-name etc
  363. # [18:19] <ChiefRA> I think an easier way would be a diferent new menu
  364. # [18:19] <@tantek> alefteris - there's no such "structure" in microformats2 by design.
  365. # [18:19] <@tantek> all objects are flat sets of properties
  366. # [18:19] <ChiefRA> on the mf2 page, under implementation saying validator
  367. # [18:20] <@tantek> ChiefRA all of them are listed there already
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  369. # [18:20] <@tantek> for structure, we use nested microformats
  370. # [18:20] <ChiefRA> I know, but when someone is looking in the right upper menu, won't find validators, only implekmentation which is not the same thing
  371. # [18:20] <@tantek> this model is much simpler/easier for web developers to get right
  372. # [18:20] <ChiefRA> I was menitioning this for the ease of work with.
  373. # [18:20] <@tantek> ah
  374. # [18:22] <alefteris> so if I provide a "given-name", "family-name", is it wrong to also provide the "name" or its best to do without the "name"
  375. # [18:22] <Loqi> [[microformats2]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2&diff=53994&oldid=53992&rcid=75269 * Tantek * (+308) /* authoring */ added new validating section
  376. # [18:23] <@tantek> ChiefRA - here you go: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#validating
  377. # [18:24] <ChiefRA> can you hange that to be: microformats2 validator(s)?
  378. # [18:24] <ChiefRA> that's also search related wise :)
  379. # [18:25] <ChiefRA> people will search for that specificly in google.
  380. # [18:26] <Loqi> [[microformats2]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2&diff=53995&oldid=53994&rcid=75270 * Tantek * (+89) /* validating */ use key phrase for easier findability
  381. # [18:26] <@tantek> done
  382. # [18:26] <barnabywalters> alefteris: it’s always a good idea to provide a name — given name and family name are optional extras
  383. # [18:26] <@tantek> now: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#validators
  384. # [18:27] <barnabywalters> and you can mark up given-name and family-name with name and it’ll get parsed correctly
  385. # [18:27] <barnabywalters> with each as a separate (non-nested) property
  386. # [18:28] <alefteris> probably, since a few countries don't have such distinctions between family, given name now that I think about it
  387. # [18:29] <barnabywalters> alefteris: yep, or give them in a different order
  388. # [18:32] <ChiefRA> tantek perfect.
  389. # [18:32] <@tantek> thanks ChiefRA
  390. # [18:32] <ChiefRA> you're welcome :)
  391. # [18:33] <alefteris> possible to mark job title with h-card 2.0? I have some markup with mf1 and I had a class="title", but now that I look at the hCard 1.0 wiki, I don't know where I got it from :/
  392. # [18:34] <alefteris> sory 1.0 has title
  393. # [18:37] * iLS is now known as iSRAELi
  394. # [18:37] <iSRAELi> hellooo
  395. # [18:37] <iSRAELi> :)
  396. # [18:38] <ChiefRA> hi iSRAELi
  397. # [18:39] <alefteris> I guess I can use h-resume to mark job title now instead of having it though h-card?
  398. # [18:40] <Loqi> [[What You Have to Think About Before Jumping into IM]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=What_You_Have_to_Think_About_Before_Jumping_into_IM&rcid=75271 * Emarketingexpert01 * (+3244) New page: Online marketing is a field that grows in competition daily. Even while organizations such as the FTC are creating rules and regulations to curb the crazier actions of some IMers, new m
  399. # [18:40] <Loqi> [[What You Have to Think About Before Jumping into IM]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=What_You_Have_to_Think_About_Before_Jumping_into_IM&diff=53997&oldid=53996&rcid=75272 * ChiefRA * (-3244) spammy content
  400. # [18:41] <ChiefRA> alefteris should be an easier way of marking up only the hjob title with the h-card.
  401. # [18:41] <ChiefRA> the funny thing is I don't see it within the specs either.
  402. # [18:41] <ChiefRA> tantek any suggestions? :)
  403. # [18:41] <ChiefRA> or barnabywalters :)
  404. # [18:42] <barnabywalters> I thought it was p-role
  405. # [18:42] <barnabywalters> see http://microformats.org/wiki/hCard#Property_List
  406. # [18:42] <alefteris> ChiefRA: there is none. And h-resume has "nested h-card of the organization, location, job-title" but h-card has nothing about job title
  407. # [18:43] <barnabywalters> must have not made it over to mf2 — tantek, is this on purpose or an accident?
  408. # [18:43] <barnabywalters> role is in classic hCard
  409. # [18:43] <ChiefRA> yeah, there should be an p-job or p-title
  410. # [18:43] <ChiefRA> or anything else to sound familiar.
  411. # [18:44] <alefteris> barnabywalters: job title in hCard 1.0 is "role" or "title"?
  412. # [18:44] <ChiefRA> alefteris if tantek is not answering, ramain in this channel and he will when he's back at the computer.
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  415. # [18:44] <barnabywalters> alefteris: hm, actually not sure between the two of them
  416. # [18:45] * barnabywalters looks at VCARD spec
  417. # [18:45] <ChiefRA> alefteris is title
  418. # [18:45] <barnabywalters> From RFC2426:
  419. # [18:45] <barnabywalters> Role: To specify information concerning the role, occupation,
  420. # [18:45] <barnabywalters> or business category of the object the vCard represents.
  421. # [18:46] <barnabywalters> Title: To specify the job title, functional position or
  422. # [18:46] <barnabywalters> function of the object the vCard represents.
  423. # [18:47] <alefteris> haha, a bit overlap here I think
  424. # [18:47] <ChiefRA> ok guys, see you tomorrow, I'm heading home, have a nice evening all.
  425. # [18:47] <Loqi> nice
  426. # [18:47] <alefteris> ChiefRA: bye and thanks
  427. # [18:48] <ChiefRA> alefteris stay around and wait for tantek's answer, it will come :)
  428. # [18:48] <ChiefRA> you're welcome.
  429. # [18:48] <ChiefRA> bye barnabywalters tantek
  430. # [18:48] <iSRAELi> well im going to convert a MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR website
  431. # [18:48] <barnabywalters> bye ChiefRA
  432. # [18:48] <iSRAELi> to use either hCard or hResume
  433. # [18:48] <barnabywalters> yes, I think the only difference is that role is more of a prose description of the role, title is the actual job title
  434. # [18:48] <barnabywalters> but “title” is a nasty semantic with lots of potential for confusion
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  436. # [18:51] <barnabywalters> iSRAELi: sounds good :)
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  438. # [18:53] <alefteris> barnabywalters: I'll with p-title and since it is now in real use, game over :p
  439. # [18:55] <iSRAELi> yes, though i cant yet to find any relation with hcard and google ranking better
  440. # [18:55] <iSRAELi> :\
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  504. # [20:09] <@tantek> now that is f'd up. meta-spam.
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  517. # [21:17] <alefteris> tantek: I don't know if you have seen the previous discussion about the p-title missing from h-card?
  518. # [21:18] <alefteris> or the "role" property
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  524. # [21:32] <@tantek> alefteris - just saw it - thanks for the heads-up.
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  526. # [21:32] <@tantek> alefteris - indeed
  527. # [21:32] <@tantek> 'title' has been problematic
  528. # [21:32] <@tantek> so overloaded
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  533. # [21:36] <Loqi> [[microformats2]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2&diff=54004&oldid=53995&rcid=75291 * Tantek * (+174) /* h-card */ explicitly add p-job-title as unambiguous 'title' replacement, and p-role per real world example request from aleftris in IRC, and compat classes
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  537. # [21:41] <alefteris> thanks
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  539. # [21:43] <@tantek> alefteris - you're welcome! thanks for pointing out the omission.
  540. # [21:44] <@tantek> when you've got your site up with microformats2 support, add it to: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#Examples_in_the_wild
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  543. # [21:47] <alefteris> tantek: will do, but nothing important, just my blog. Wasting time probably trying to make it semantic, more that it has to.. I have mf2, microdata and rdfa lite 1.1 right now :/ But no CSS yet, go figure..
  544. # [21:49] <alefteris> are there any web services that "consume" mf2 right now or it's too early?
  545. # [21:50] <Loqi> [[job-title]] N http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=job-title&rcid=75293 * Tantek * (+1170) stub to capture some background, reasoning, for an explicit renaming of a well established property name
  546. # [21:51] <Loqi> [[p-job-title]] NM http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=p-job-title&rcid=75294 * Tantek * (+23) r
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