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  1. # Session Start: Thu Nov 07 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #microformats
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  4. # [00:05] <tommorris> hey tantek
  5. # [00:05] <@tantek> hey tommorris
  6. # [00:06] <tommorris> tantek: there was someone here earlier asking about python microformats2 parser. I've been hacking one together
  7. # [00:08] <@tantek> very cool!
  8. # [00:08] <@tantek> anything shareable yet?
  9. # [00:09] <tommorris> well, it parses the simplest test cases
  10. # [00:09] <tommorris> needs a lot of work though
  11. # [00:09] <tommorris> http://code.tommorris.org/mf2py
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  13. # [00:19] <@tantek> nice - hosting code on your own domain, how #indiewebcamp of you ;)
  14. # [00:20] <@tantek> is there a version you push to github for collaboration?
  15. # [00:20] <@tantek> and "parses the simplest test cases" is certainly good enough to add to the microforrmats.org parsers page
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  17. # [00:30] <tommorris> tantek: it's bitbucket. you can just map a subdomain to it ;)
  18. # [00:30] <tommorris> but yeah, git / mercurial[with hg-git] makes the whole hosting it yourself thing becomes easier
  19. # [00:31] <tommorris> a self-hosted code repository would be useful though
  20. # [00:31] <tommorris> tantek: as for the parser, I'm hoping to work on it on the way to and from work
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  22. # [00:45] <@tantek> nice - good to hear.
  23. # [00:45] <@tantek> was just thinking if you put it on github then snarfed and kevinmarks could contribute to it as well, maybe even barnabywalters (who has expressed some interest in the past)
  24. # [00:46] <tommorris> yeah, can do. was using it as a way to play with mercurial but I'm happy to pop it on github too
  25. # [00:46] <snarfed> glad to see it's up!
  26. # [00:47] <snarfed> i don't feel strongly where it's hosted, i'll send patches/PRs anywhere
  27. # [00:48] <tommorris> you can log into bitbucket with your github account, which is fairly hilarious oauthery.
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  31. # [01:18] <aaronpk> tommorris: try gitlab! I have a chunk of repos on my own gitlab server
  32. # [01:18] <aaronpk> http://gitlab.org/
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  49. # [07:38] <snarfed> tommorris: just tried out mf2py
  50. # [07:38] <snarfed> looks like a good start!
  51. # [07:39] <snarfed> feel free to steal a few more test cases from https://github.com/snarfed/activitystreams-unofficial/tree/master/testdata if you want
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  53. # [08:32] <Loqi> [@EmotiCodeDotNet] HTML - hCard First, Middle, and Last Full Name HTML Markup http://www.emoticode.net/html/hcard-first-middle-and-last-full-name-html-markup.html #html #snippet (http://twtr.io/eXfs5BX8sG)
  54. # [09:24] <Loqi> [[section]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=section&diff=64073&oldid=64072&rcid=100311 * Tantek * (+752) add HTML5 Doctor article that admits section causes most questions, easy to use incorrectly
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  56. # [09:40] <Loqi> [[section]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=section&diff=64074&oldid=64073&rcid=100312 * Tantek * (+500) add recent paciellogroup article about continued misuse of section element
  57. # [09:47] <Loqi> [[section]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=section&diff=64075&oldid=64074&rcid=100313 * Tantek * (+471) add 2011 article noting confusion and lack of value for section
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  60. # [10:08] <@KevinMarks> Reveal.js uses section sensibly for slides http://kmpreso.herokuapp.com/?theme=serif#/8
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  62. # [10:46] <@tantek> KevinMarks - does it? It could just use <div>
  63. # [10:48] <@KevinMarks> Each slide makes sense as a section. You could just use div for nav too
  64. # [10:49] <tommorris> making steady progress with http://code.tommorris.org/mf2py - now passes p- and u- properties.
  65. # [11:07] <Loqi> [[microformats2]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2&diff=64076&oldid=64019&rcid=100314 * TomMorris * (+106) /* Implementations */ adding Python impl
  66. # [11:08] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing&diff=64077&oldid=64005&rcid=100315 * TomMorris * (+7) /* Implementations */ adding Python impl
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  81. # [13:35] <tommorris> hey barnabywalters - works progressing nicely on mf2py.
  82. # [13:37] <barnabywalters> morning tommorris — you’re working on a python parser? great!
  83. # [13:37] <barnabywalters> I’m wrangling python all day every day at work, so let me know if I can help at all
  84. # [13:40] <tommorris> barnabywalters: http://code.tommorris.org/mf2py - patches welcome ;)
  85. # [13:40] <tommorris> I'm mostly using it as a way to pass the time on my commute
  86. # [13:44] <barnabywalters> cool, forking…
  87. # [13:51] <barnabywalters> wow, bitbucket takes ages to fork projects
  88. # [13:53] <Loqi> [@ANDHRATEACHERS] Msg2/2 *Conduct of TET *Upgaradtion of Pandt,PETs CM agreed on HCards forMpl,AidedTchrs(in2ndPhas),TET&Upgradation&Examine SplTchrs Problem (http://twtr.io/eY9ktUfRAR)
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  92. # [14:16] <Loqi> [@NaseerEseva] ® Msg.2 *Conduct of TET *Upgaradtion of Pandt,PETs CM agreed on HCards forMpl,AidedTchrs(in2ndPhas),TET&Upgradation&Examine SplTchrs Problem (http://twtr.io/eYBnNr16Lp)
  93. # [14:16] <Loqi> [@AiitaNews] ® Msg.2 *Conduct of TET *Upgaradtion of Pandt,PETs CM agreed on HCards forMpl,AidedTchrs(in2ndPhas),TET&Upgradation&Examine SplTchrs Problem (http://twtr.io/eYBpxuYQKC)
  94. # [14:20] <Loqi> [@GNGSMS] * Msg2 *Conduct of TET *Upgaradtion of Pandt,PETs CM agreed on HCards forMpl,AidedTchrs(in2ndPhas),TET&Upgradation&Examine SplTchrs Problem (http://twtr.io/eYCArNPPJQ)
  95. # [14:21] <Loqi> [@KHASEEM4AP] Msg2 *Conduct of TET *Upgaradtion of Pandt,PETs CM agreed on HCards forMpl,AidedTchrs(in2ndPhas),TET&Upgradation&Examine SplTchrs Problem (http://twtr.io/eYCF01Hq_f)
  96. # [14:30] <Loqi> [@VICTORJ13536519] Msg.2> *Conduct>TET *Upgaradtion of Pandts&PETs CM agreed on HCards forMpl,AidedTchrs(in2ndPhas),TET&Upgradation&Examine SplTchrs Problem (http://twtr.io/eYD5hAWr1L)
  97. # [14:34] <Loqi> [@TUTAKTL] Msg.2 *Conduct of TET *Upgaradtion of Pandt,PETs CM agreed on HCards forMpl,AidedTchrs(in2ndPhas),TET&Upgradation&Examine SplTchrs Problem" (http://twtr.io/eYDTjtUbZ4)
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  100. # [14:48] <Loqi> [@PRASADNEWS] Upgaradtion of Pandt, PETs CM agreed on HCards forMpl, AidedTchrs (in2ndPhas),TET& Upgradation &Examine Spl tchrs problames. (http://twtr.io/eYEdt0gCfY)
  101. # [14:50] <Loqi> [@Praveen53661150] STF DVK: Upgaradtion of Pandt, PETs CM agreed on HCards forMpl, AidedTchrs (in2ndPhas),TET& Upgradation &Examine Spl tchrs problames." (http://twtr.io/eYEr4JhR40)
  102. # [14:56] <Loqi> [@UTFMCL] Msg2/2 *Conduct of TET *Upgaradtion of Pandt,PETs CM agreed on HCards forMpl,AidedTchrs(in2ndPhas),TET&Upgradation&Examine SplTchrs Problem (http://twtr.io/eYFQJWKL6Q)
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  104. # [14:59] <Loqi> [@JVRINFO] Upgaradtion of Pandt, PETs CM agreed on HCards forMpl, AidedTchrs (in2nd Phase). TET& Upgradation &Examine Spl tchrs Problames." (http://twtr.io/eYFe2v3uTC)
  105. # [15:01] <Loqi> [@UTFPONNUR] Msg 2 *Upgaradtion of Pandt,PETs *CM agreed on HCards for Mpl,AidedTchrs (in2ndPhase),TET&Upgradation&Examine SplTchrs Problem (http://twtr.io/eYFpp1G_cs)
  106. # [15:02] <Loqi> [@utfchittoor] Msg2/2 *Conduct of TET *Upgradation of Pandt, PETs CM agreed on HCards for Mpl,AidedTchrs(in2ndPhas),TET&Upgradtin&Examine SplTchrs Problems (http://twtr.io/eYFy7Tgwq8)
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  109. # [15:32] <Loqi> [@gsrmaths] Upgaradtion of Pandt, PETs CM agreed on HCards forMpl, AidedTchrs (in2ndPhas),TET& Upgradation &Examine Spl tchrs problems." (http://twtr.io/eYJeTyYY_8)
  110. # [15:40] <Loqi> [@urduteachersknr] Msg.2 *Conduct of TET *Upgaradtion of Pandt,PETs CM agreed on HCards forMpl,AidedTchrs(in2ndPhas),TET&Upgradation&Examine SplTchrs Problem"" (http://twtr.io/eYKL7QEq1b)
  111. # [15:47] <Loqi> [@TEACHERS3AP] Upgaradtion of Pandt, PETs CM agreed on HCards forMpl, AidedTchrs (in2ndPhas),TET& Upgradation &Examine Spl tchrs problames." (http://twtr.io/eYL0tZTw9b)
  112. # [15:50] <Loqi> [@STUKOLLIPARA] Msg.2 *Conduct of TET *Upgaradtion of Pandt,PETs CM agreed on HCards forMpl,AidedTchrs(in2ndPhas),TET&Upgradation&Examine SplTchrs Problem" (http://twtr.io/eYLG5zVDxM)
  113. # [15:51] <Loqi> [@pigsonthewing] @MagnusManske If you'd like to include hCard microformat, I can provide sample markup. (http://twtr.io/eYLLqXZw7U)
  114. # [15:52] <Loqi> [@UTFNRTAREA] Msg2/2 *Conduct of TET *Upgaradtion of Pandt PETs CM agreed on HCards forMpl AidedTchrs(in2ndPhas) TET& Upgradation& Examine SplTchrsProblem (http://twtr.io/eYLTRHNfzj)
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  116. # [16:08] <Loqi> [@UPENDRAPRTU] RT @PRASADNEWS: Upgaradtion of Pandt, PETs CM agreed on HCards forMpl, AidedTchrs (in2ndPhas),TET& Upgradation &Examine Spl tchrs problames. (http://twtr.io/eYMqnGL828)
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  122. # [16:47] <Loqi> [@STUKOLLIPARA] Upgaradtion of Pandt, PETs CM agreed on HCards forMpl, AidedTchrs (in2ndPhas),TET& Upgradation &Examine Spl tchrs problames." (http://twtr.io/eYRNny0Nts)
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  124. # [17:14] <snarfed> morning!
  125. # [17:14] <snarfed> barnabywalters, aaronpk: i had a few spare min earlier, so i started to run php-mf2-shim and activitystreams-unofficial on the same fb and twitter pages, just out of curiosity to see the diff
  126. # [17:14] <snarfed> i had trouble running php-mf2-shim both with and without composer, almost certainly due to my inexperience w/php
  127. # [17:14] <snarfed> i'll try again tonight, but just fyi if you all want to try too, since i'm sure you can do it in your sleep
  128. # [17:15] <snarfed> feel free to diff against https://facebook-activitystreams.appspot.com/ and https://twitter-activitystreams.appspot.com/
  129. # [17:15] <snarfed> i'll post a gist here if i get it working tonight
  130. # [17:16] <Loqi> [@Kiran0907] RT @PRASADNEWS: Upgaradtion of Pandt, PETs CM agreed on HCards forMpl, AidedTchrs (in2ndPhas),TET& Upgradation &Examine Spl tchrs problames. (http://twtr.io/eYTyRKYTwq)
  131. # [17:23] <barnabywalters> snarfed: oh cool, just trying it out now
  132. # [17:23] <snarfed> twitter api seems flaky/slow today. blame the ipo, clearly.
  133. # [17:25] <barnabywalters> snarfed: mf2-json output looks good to me. one small fix: p-author shouldn’t be in the h-card type list
  134. # [17:26] <snarfed> thanks, will fix
  135. # [17:26] <barnabywalters> what’s with the weird looking uids? are they actually more useful than URIs?
  136. # [17:27] <snarfed> i was particularly curious to see how it compares to the shims, not even for validation so much as just to see the variety
  137. # [17:28] <barnabywalters> I’ll post a gist of the php-mf-shim output for my tweets — I don’t think there’s a huge difference
  138. # [17:28] <snarfed> tag uris? eh, maybe not. i started using them a long time ago when some FB objects had no dedicated permalink, and others had multiple
  139. # [17:28] <snarfed> not married to them
  140. # [17:28] <snarfed> thanks!
  141. # [17:31] <barnabywalters> https://gist.github.com/barnabywalters/7357443
  142. # [17:32] <snarfed> re p-author, just to confirm, that's only a problem in the json, right?
  143. # [17:32] <barnabywalters> snarfed: yep, the HTML should still have class="p-author h-card"
  144. # [17:32] <snarfed> thanks for the gist, glad to have more data points
  145. # [17:32] <snarfed> cool
  146. # [17:33] <barnabywalters> snarfed: no problem! I need to make php-mf2-shim easier to use — maybe a command line tool like the main parser has
  147. # [17:33] <snarfed> hell yes! i tried to adapt parse-mf2 but failed. only spent 10m on it though. someday i'll Learn PHP For Real
  148. # [17:33] <snarfed> someday
  149. # [17:34] <barnabywalters> oh, I’m so stupid — intertubes now has seamless support for mf2-shim
  150. # [17:34] <barnabywalters> so you can go to http://waterpigs.co.uk/intertubes/
  151. # [17:34] <barnabywalters> make a “fetch posts” module with a twitter.com address in, connect it to output or press refresh, and it’ll give you the parsed JSON on the right
  152. # [17:36] <barnabywalters> well, not the raw parsed json — filtered to only include h-entries and normalised
  153. # [17:44] <snarfed> ahhh perfect!
  154. # [17:44] <snarfed> thanks
  155. # [17:45] <barnabywalters> should work the same for facebook, but due to FBs limitations it can only parse public post permalink pages
  156. # [17:45] <barnabywalters> and it might not even do that properly yet, as fb requires UA faking before it shows anything :/
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  158. # [17:49] <barnabywalters> which is where your tool is super-useful :)
  159. # [17:49] <snarfed> definitely
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  167. # Session Start: Thu Nov 07 20:50:56 2013
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  175. # [20:51] <@tantek> it was a deliberate simplification that met the needed use-cases
  176. # [20:51] <@tantek> so yeah, tommorris - add an FAQ for your question/example :)
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  178. # [21:00] <aaronpk> http://www.w3.org/WAI/wcag-curric/img/shake-a.gif
  179. # [21:02] <Loqi> [[value-class-pattern]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=value-class-pattern&diff=64079&oldid=63956&rcid=100317 * TomMorris * (+1261) a rather headache-inducing question about microformats2 parsing of improperly nested h- objects within p- properties that contain .value elements
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  182. # [21:27] <@KevinMarks> Based on experience with feedparser, I'd say add the invalid/inconsistent markup as test cases, labelled as invalid, so that implementations can treat them consistently
  183. # [21:29] <@KevinMarks> That's also part of the lesson of html5
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  185. # [21:42] <tommorris> KevinMarks: yep. consistent error handling is important especially given the constraints of generic rather than specific microformat parsing
  186. # [21:42] <tommorris> i.e. you can't rely on the vocabulary to give you hints
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