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  11. # [03:32] <Loqi> [@jeena] @shanselman @t no, but a combination of protocols like mailto: tel: skype: and microformats http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard (http://twtr.io/hU9UhSManC)
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  32. # [11:46] <Loqi> [[reinvented-wheels]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=reinvented-wheels&diff=64165&oldid=44875&rcid=100412 * Michaelrandolph * (+240) /* reinvented wheels */
  33. # [11:54] <Loqi> [[reinvented-wheels]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=reinvented-wheels&diff=64166&oldid=64165&rcid=100413 * ChiefRA * (-240) Undo revision 64165 by [[Special:Contributions/Michaelrandolph|Michaelrandolph]] ([[User talk:Michaelrandolph|Talk]]) => removed spammy links
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  36. # [12:34] <ChiefRA> !tell tantek Hey. The old behavior of Loqi to drop everything happening on the website on this channel was good, can you setup Loqi to drop all tha info but on a secondary channel like #mf-back
  37. # [12:34] <Loqi> Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
  38. # [12:34] <ChiefRA> !tell tantek that will prevent spamming on the #microformats but will keep us informed of what's going on the website in real-time like before.
  39. # [12:34] <Loqi> Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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  44. # [14:01] <Loqi> [@Luis_Figura_x5] Los cancilleres de la Celac concluyen una reunión marcada por el consenso: LA HABANA.- Los cancilleres de la C... http://migre.me/hCArD (http://twtr.io/hV21fLg0in)
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  57. # [17:23] * Set by tantek!~tantek@50-0-164-83.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net on Sun Aug 11 23:38:23
  58. # [17:23] -ChanServ- [#microformats] Welcome to #microformats. Logs at http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats
  59. # [17:23] #microformats url is http://microformats.org
  60. # [17:26] <barnabywalters> elux: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#Examples_in_the_wild
  61. # [17:27] <barnabywalters> there are a fair few people who’ve rolled out support recently who haven’t been added to that list, actually
  62. # [17:27] <elux> i see, thats great
  63. # [17:27] <elux> are there any other formats or similar semantic markup initiatives to add semantics to html?
  64. # [17:28] <elux> things like oembed, opengraph and twitter-card are picking up
  65. # [17:28] <elux> the latter to for business reasons
  66. # [17:28] <barnabywalters> elux: several, e.g. RDFa and microdata
  67. # [17:28] <barnabywalters> elux: none of the three examples you gave actually add extra semantics to HTML
  68. # [17:29] <barnabywalters> they just fill pages with silo-specific invisible metadata
  69. # [17:29] <elux> well, oembed no, it just adds a link to head to fetch semantics about data on a page
  70. # [17:29] <barnabywalters> which means nothing to humans
  71. # [17:29] <barnabywalters> even Facebook is apparently ignoring open graph metadata now
  72. # [17:29] <elux> opengraph and twitter-card so add meta to the <head> of a document.. so not semantics layered ontop of content, but it does add semantics on the document
  73. # [17:30] <elux> barnabywalters: that is what they use to make a shared link look have a richer ui in their stream
  74. # [17:31] <elux> im just recently looking into this stuff.. so i could be all wrong here
  75. # [17:31] <elux> just based on what im seeing..
  76. # [17:31] <barnabywalters> elux: IIRC we recently removed open graph data from indiewebcamp.com because Facebook wasn’t doing anything with it
  77. # [17:32] <elux> well, the og: tags are still there
  78. # [17:32] <elux> but, ill do some reading on it
  79. # [17:33] <barnabywalters> ah, apparently tantek raised an issue but we haven’t removed them yet: https://github.com/indieweb/wiki/issues/6
  80. # [17:33] <elux> strange fb isn't doing link previews for it..
  81. # [17:33] <elux> that sucks..
  82. # [17:33] <barnabywalters> just tried it on Facebook.com, it is indeed ignoring the extra elements
  83. # [17:34] <barnabywalters> elux: the most interesting microformats development and usage is happening in the #indiewebcamp community at the moment
  84. # [17:35] <barnabywalters> implementing things like cross-site comments and likes using microformats and simple HTTP protocols
  85. # [17:35] <barnabywalters> there are also some people building microformats feed readers
  86. # [17:35] <elux> thats great
  87. # [17:35] <elux> i think the hardest part about microformat addition would be the authoring tools need to support it
  88. # [17:36] <elux> people have a hard enough time just getting things done and building a business
  89. # [17:36] <elux> seo and discovery data, which semantics help with, are all at latter stages
  90. # [17:36] <pfefferle> barnabywalters it's because the og: stuff has some errors
  91. # [17:37] <elux> the goal would be to bring them up.. ie. in the authoring tools.. or whatever else helps
  92. # [17:37] <elux> og: stuff makes sense because its easy to add
  93. # [17:37] <barnabywalters> pfefferle: demonstrating that either they’re too difficult to author and maintain, or that Facebook isn’t very good at parsing them ;)
  94. # [17:37] <elux> pfefferle: yea .. i was wondering if that was the case too..
  95. # [17:37] <pfefferle> og:url have to point to the actual url and not to the root url
  96. # [17:37] <elux> well.. or there are minimum requirements
  97. # [17:37] <pfefferle> og:site_url is for the root url
  98. # [17:37] <barnabywalters> elux: we’ve been building some validation UI to help people with authoring, e.g. http://indiewebify.me
  99. # [17:38] <elux> nice
  100. # [17:39] <barnabywalters> and there are some indieweb publishing/blogging tools which have deeply ingrained microformats support e.g. http://idno.co
  101. # [17:40] <barnabywalters> as well as some wordpress plugins and themes which help get microformats in pages, and also to parse them off other sites for indieweb comments
  102. # [17:40] <barnabywalters> but it’d be great to see more authoring tools built
  103. # [17:42] <elux> well
  104. # [17:42] <elux> you gotta figure out how to make it brain-dead simple
  105. # [17:42] <elux> and add lots of value
  106. # [17:42] <elux> business value
  107. # [17:43] <barnabywalters> elux: that’s our focus, broadly speaking :)
  108. # [17:44] <barnabywalters> elux: have you tried publishing or consuming microformats? I’d be interested to hear feedback based on real world experience or problems
  109. # [17:48] <elux> :)
  110. # [17:48] <elux> naw i havent'.. i just heard about them yesterday
  111. # [17:48] <elux> by finding them obscurely through embed.ly
  112. # [17:49] <elux> so thats my feedback :)
  113. # [17:49] <barnabywalters> elux: oh cool, how did embed.ly lead here?
  114. # [17:50] <elux> ohh.. google :)
  115. # [17:50] <elux> i noticed embedly parses some basic microformats .. and then i searched "microformats".. etc.
  116. # [17:52] <barnabywalters> oh cool, I wasn’t aware embedly parses microformats
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  118. # [17:56] <barnabywalters> I wonder if they’d be up for implementing some microformats2 support
  119. # [17:56] <barnabywalters> looks like they use python
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  122. # [17:58] <Loqi> tantek: ChiefRA left you a message 5 hours, 24 minutes ago: Hey. The old behavior of Loqi to drop everything happening on the website on this channel was good, can you setup Loqi to drop all tha info but on a secondary channel like #mf-back
  123. # [17:58] <Loqi> tantek: ChiefRA left you a message 5 hours, 23 minutes ago: that will prevent spamming on the #microformats but will keep us informed of what's going on the website in real-time like before.
  124. # [17:58] <elux> barnabywalters: how do you kno python?
  125. # [17:58] <barnabywalters> elux: it’s the first language they mention on their Jobs page, so probably a good bet :)
  126. # [17:59] <barnabywalters> they also use node.js, there’s a really good node.js mf2 parser
  127. # [17:59] <elux> good point :)
  128. # [17:59] <barnabywalters> the python one is a little younger but almost ready for basic use
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  130. # [18:18] <Loqi> [@1stway77] 最良の選択 > : ユーザーレビューもできるWordpressのプラグイン　Author hReviewの使い方　覚書 http://1stvalue.net/authorhreview-reviews/ (http://twtr.io/hVV4zXxJ94)
  131. # [18:19] <@tantek> weird
  132. # [18:19] <@tantek> !spammer 1stway77
  133. # [18:19] <Loqi> Got it! There are now 166 spammers blacklisted
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  151. # [20:40] -ChanServ- [#microformats] Welcome to #microformats. Logs at http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats
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