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  92. # [15:15] <Loqi> [@BarnabyWalters] Getting started with microformats2 (/articles/getting-started-with-microformats2/) (http://twtr.io/imshZ2EkL0)
  93. # [15:16] <Loqi> [@BarnabyWalters] Getting Started with microformats2 http://waterpigs.co.uk/articles/getting-started-with-microformats2/ (http://twtr.io/imskmdkDjY)
  94. # [15:16] <barnabywalters> looks like my article POSSE needs a little attention :)
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  125. # [17:56] <barnabywalters> okay the code listings in http://waterpigs.co.uk/articles/getting-started-with-microformats2/ should now look much better
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  148. # [20:30] <Loqi> [@muhh] "Getting started with microformats2" http:///articles/getting-started-with-microformats2/ (http://twtr.io/inLymKU1zV)
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  154. # [21:04] <@tantek> hmm
  155. # [21:04] <@tantek> oh dear
  156. # [21:04] <@tantek> spam :(
  157. # [21:04] <aaronpk> wow really?
  158. # [21:04] <barnabywalters> tantek: where?
  159. # [21:04] <@tantek> that link
  160. # [21:05] <@tantek> bit.ly/1l1Dz6K
  161. # [21:05] <aaronpk> it's redirecting to barnaby's post which then sends a relative location header
  162. # [21:05] <aaronpk> i guess loqi's not properly handling relative redirects
  163. # [21:05] <Loqi> who, me?
  164. # [21:05] <aaronpk> yes
  165. # [21:06] <@tantek> in IRC I saw: http:///articles/getting-started-with-microformats2/
  166. # [21:06] <barnabywalters> tantek: oh I thought you meant http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=chat-brainstorming&curid=2093&diff=64231&oldid=64230
  167. # [21:06] <@tantek> which goes to spam :(
  168. # [21:06] <barnabywalters> tantek: for me it goes to nothing, it’s a broken link
  169. # [21:06] <aaronpk> that isn't really a valid URL, not even sure where that would go
  170. # [21:06] <@tantek> it is a valid URL
  171. # [21:06] <@tantek> it goes to "articles" in the local domain
  172. # [21:06] <barnabywalters> well, not one pointing to a web server
  173. # [21:07] <@tantek> which typically gets resolved to articles.com
  174. # [21:07] <@tantek> yup
  175. # [21:07] <aaronpk> depends on your DNS/DHCP tho
  176. # [21:07] <barnabywalters> it was POSSEd like that briefly, but I deleted it — surprised that anyone managed to find the old version so much later
  177. # [21:07] <@tantek> I don't have any special setup
  178. # [21:07] <aaronpk> ah then it's the browser doing it
  179. # [21:07] <@tantek> no when I click from the tweet itself it works
  180. # [21:07] <@tantek> it's Loqi's fault for badly expanding it
  181. # [21:07] <@tantek> into IRC
  182. # [21:07] <@tantek> aaronpk - it's valid browser behavior
  183. # [21:07] <@tantek> based on local DNS
  184. # [21:08] <barnabywalters> hm yes that is very strange that it’s a correct link in the tweet
  185. # [21:08] <@tantek> so yeah, Loqi's t.co expansion is busted
  186. # [21:08] <aaronpk> it's kind of a hack to tack on ".com" to a word. I personally really don't like when browsers do that.
  187. # [21:08] <aaronpk> I use enough weird hostnames that the browsers usually get really confused
  188. # [21:08] <aaronpk> like "pk.dev", chrome usually takes me to a google search for "pk.dev" which is definitely not what I wanted
  189. # [21:09] <Loqi> [[chat-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=chat-brainstorming&diff=64233&oldid=64231&rcid=100488 * Tantek * (+13459) Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/Chatroll|Chatroll]] ([[User talk:Chatroll|Talk]]) to last version by [[User:ChristopheDucamp|ChristopheDucamp]]
  190. # [21:09] <aaronpk> but yeah Loqi isn't handling the relative "Location:" header returned by waterpigs.co.uk
  191. # [21:09] <barnabywalters> admins, please delete User:Chatroll
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  193. # [21:18] <aaronpk> weird I don't understand why it's doing that now that I look at the code
  194. # [21:20] <@tantek> barnabywalters - blocked
  195. # [21:20] <aaronpk> ahh it'sb ecause it's using the wrong version :)
  196. # [21:20] <@tantek> wrong version of ?
  197. # [21:20] <aaronpk> the url unshortener
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  199. # [21:44] <aaronpk> oh nvm, the url unshortener doesn't actually support relative location headers
  200. # [21:45] <aaronpk> and omg relative URL expanding is hard
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  202. # [21:46] <aaronpk> i can probably cheat for this though, and just look for a missing host+scheme and fill it in
  203. # [21:46] <@tantek> !tell barnabywalters could you reblog your post http://waterpigs.co.uk/articles/getting-started-with-microformats2/ on microformats.org?
  204. # [21:46] <Loqi> Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
  205. # [21:47] <aaronpk> great idea
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  207. # [21:49] <aaronpk> opened an issue, we'll see if he fixes it before I get a chance to https://github.com/quark-zju/unshorten/issues/4
  208. # [21:52] <@tantek> cool
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  228. # [23:31] <Loqi> barnabywalters: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 45 minutes ago: could you reblog your post http://waterpigs.co.uk/articles/getting-started-with-microformats2/ on microformats.org?
  229. # [23:32] <barnabywalters> tantek: probably, what exactly do you mean? post it on the mf blog? or as a wiki page? or a link from somewhere?
  230. # [23:32] <barnabywalters> I’d be up for either/multiple
  231. # [23:32] <@tantek> post it on the microformats blog
  232. # [23:32] <@tantek> because it's an excellent self-standing blog post
  233. # [23:32] <@tantek> and would be great as an example of a "reblog"
  234. # [23:32] <barnabywalters> thanks — sure, I’d be up for that. how do we do it?
  235. # [23:33] <@tantek> also helps to establish a pattern of blogging something on your own domain, before blogging it in a collective/commons
  236. # [23:33] <@tantek> first you sign-up for an account on microformats.org
  237. # [23:33] <@tantek> the Wordpress install
  238. # [23:34] <barnabywalters> done
  239. # [23:34] <barnabywalters> (yay openid)
  240. # [23:34] * Loqi does a happy dance!
  241. # [23:36] <barnabywalters> do you need to give me permission to post? I’m not seeing a “new post” button anywhere
  242. # [23:36] <@tantek> I think I do
  243. # [23:37] <@tantek> what username did you pick?
  244. # [23:37] <barnabywalters> I logged in with openID so I’m waterpigs.co.uk
  245. # [23:38] <@tantek> oh interesting
  246. # [23:38] <@tantek> just made you an editor
  247. # [23:38] <@tantek> I think this means you can both post new posts and edit/fix other posts
  248. # [23:38] <@tantek> try it out!
  249. # [23:38] <barnabywalters> yep, I now have many more buttons
  250. # [23:39] <barnabywalters> heh, this will actually be the first time I’ve ever used wordpress for anything other than testing
  251. # [23:39] <@tantek> heh - well, document whatever pain / problems you run into and we can try to fix it
  252. # [23:40] <@tantek> I want to improve this work flow, especially for new users
  253. # [23:40] <barnabywalters> oh weird I went from HTML to visual view and back and now all my <p> tags are invisible
  254. # [23:41] <aaronpk> wordpress is kind of aggressive about their own <p> tags
  255. # [23:41] <barnabywalters> interesting
  256. # [23:42] <barnabywalters> so how do we want to signify that it’s a repost? in the past I’ve just added a little paragraph at the top e.g. http://waterpigs.co.uk/articles/reblog-its-great-when-youre-straight-yeah/
  257. # [23:42] <barnabywalters> oh actually I put that entire article inside a <blockquote>
  258. # [23:43] <@tantek> so I think putting the whole thing inside a <blockquote> feels unwieldly
  259. # [23:43] <@tantek> it's gotta be easier to a repost
  260. # [23:43] <@tantek> to do a*
  261. # [23:44] <barnabywalters> yeah it’s probably not the best use of <blockquote>
  262. # [23:45] <@tantek> so perhaps that's a bit of a challenge for you - to think about the minimum necessary repost markup
  263. # [23:45] <@tantek> imagine that you received a webmention from microformats.org back to your original
  264. # [23:45] <@tantek> and that you wanted to list/link to it as a "repost"
  265. # [23:46] <@tantek> what would you need, at a minimum, from the perspective of your webmention receiver/handler, to do this?
  266. # [23:46] <barnabywalters> well at the moment for bridgy retweets I’m just doing really minimal inline author + link to repost + datetime e.g. http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4UpG9E/
  267. # [23:47] <barnabywalters> all I need for that is a u-repost
  268. # [23:48] <barnabywalters> right now most of the reposts are coming from bridgy so they already have “retweeted this” text which Taproot just displays, I’ll probably replace that with my own text once reposts start coming in from other places
  269. # [23:48] <barnabywalters> so from the point of view of waterpigs.co.uk, all I need is a u-repost
  270. # [23:48] <barnabywalters> so a short paragraph saying “Reposted from <a …>waterpigs.co.uk</a>” should suffice
  271. # [23:48] <barnabywalters> for both humans and machines
  272. # [23:49] <barnabywalters> (that <a> has a href and class="u-repost")
  273. # [23:49] <barnabywalters> any opinions about u-repost vs u-repost-of?
  274. # [23:50] <barnabywalters> no harm in including both of them, there doesn’t seem to be any consensus though. I think taproot consumes both
  275. # [23:50] <barnabywalters> huh actually looks like Taproot only consumes u-repost-of
  276. # [23:52] <barnabywalters> so far it’s looking like this: http://microformats.org/?p=417&preview=true
  277. # [23:52] <barnabywalters> that <pre><code> is leaking off the page a bit…
  278. # [23:53] <barnabywalters> yeah wordpress is removing all the whitespace whenever you switch from visual to HTML editor
  279. # [23:54] <barnabywalters> baking some stuff, brb
  280. # [23:58] <@tantek> u-repost-of is good
  281. # [23:59] <@tantek> barnabywalters What do you think of moving the parenthetical (Reposted…) to the end of the blog post?
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