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  40. # [05:02] <Loqi> [@ahallicks] Reviews: Author HReview Plugin - http://graywolfseo.com/reviews/author-hreview-plugin/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Wolf-howl+%28Graywolfs+SEO+Blog%29 (http://twtr.io/paPhiaxZnj)
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  120. # [16:24] <Loqi> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=64483&oldid=64479&rcid=100844 * Webmaint * (+109) /* new and uncategorized examples */
  121. # [16:26] <Loqi> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=64484&oldid=64483&rcid=100845 * Webmaint * (+23) /* new and uncategorized examples */
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  181. # [23:10] <KartikPrabhu> question by kylewm about the mf2 parsing of Known check ins posts -- bunch of javascript shows up in the "content"; is that a parser bug or a markup bug? https://kylewm.com/api/mf2?url=http://werd.io/2014/ben-werdmller-posted-checked-into-sonoma-county-fairground
  182. # [23:11] <KartikPrabhu> good point. are mf2-parsers supposed to ignore the <script> contents while looking for e-content.value?
  183. # [23:11] <KartikPrabhu> tantek any insight? ^
  184. # [23:11] <aaronpk> I would imagine the contents of the script tag should not appear in the "value"
  185. # [23:11] <aaronpk> since that's what the browser does
  186. # [23:12] <KartikPrabhu> aaronpk: intersting then that the HTML parser used by mf2py does not respect that
  187. # [23:12] <KartikPrabhu> neither does php-mf2 I think
  188. # [23:12] <aaronpk> correct
  189. # [23:14] <KartikPrabhu> kylewm: definitely open an issue on mf2py... could resolve it if that is the consensus
  190. # [23:16] <KartikPrabhu> kylewm: iirc mf2py does not do the <img> -> alt/src for e-content as said here: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parsing_an_e-_property
  191. # [23:16] <kylewm> oh yeah, neither does php-mf2
  192. # [23:16] <kylewm> and it would break some assumptions if we started
  193. # [23:16] <KartikPrabhu> it would?
  194. # [23:16] <kylewm> (makes it hard to distinguish notes with an autogenerated title from articles with a title)
  195. # [23:17] <KartikPrabhu> the e-content.value should not have html elements in it anyway
  196. # [23:17] <kylewm> s/title/name
  197. # [23:17] <Loqi> kylewm meant to say: (makes it hard to distinguish notes with an autogenerated name from articles with a name)
  198. # [23:17] * Quits: krendil (~krendil@218.53.96.58.static.exetel.com.au) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
  199. # [23:17] <KartikPrabhu> kylewm: how so?
  200. # [23:18] <KartikPrabhu> articles with name should just have a p-name != e-content.value yes?
  201. # [23:18] <kylewm> exactly
  202. # [23:19] <KartikPrabhu> even p-parsing has the same <img> > alt/src though: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parsing_a_p-_property
  203. # [23:20] <kylewm> so the question is if i say <div class="h-entry">This is me at summer camp: <img src=".." alt="me at camp"/></div>
  204. # [23:20] <kylewm> the p-name will be "This is me at summer camp:" and the e-content.value will be "This is me at summer camp: me at camp"
  205. # [23:20] <kylewm> right
  206. # [23:20] <kylewm> ?
  207. # [23:21] <KartikPrabhu> no p-name should also have the alt according to p-parsing rules
  208. # [23:21] <kylewm> based on "else use the textContent of the .h-x for name "
  209. # [23:21] <KartikPrabhu> yes
  210. # [23:22] <KartikPrabhu> we should do the <img> -> alt/src everywhere at once to avoid this problem
  211. # [23:22] <kylewm> textContent is a well-defined DOM thing?
  212. # [23:22] <Loqi> yea!
  213. # [23:22] <@tantek> good afternoon #microformats!
  214. # [23:23] <KartikPrabhu> kylewm: I'm no expert in DOM things :P
  215. # [23:23] <KartikPrabhu> we might have to force BS to do it somehow
  216. # [23:24] <kylewm> hi tantek!
  217. # [23:25] <kylewm> KartikPrabhu: I'm +1 for changing it if we change both to be consistent with each other
  218. # [23:25] <KartikPrabhu> kylewm: yes. will have to dig through BS innards to see how it is working. Also the whole html5parser vs lxml rabbit hole opens up again
  219. # [23:27] <kylewm> textContent of a u-photo is blank in Firefox, btw
  220. # [23:27] <kylewm> I just ran: document.querySelector('.u-photo').textContent
  221. # [23:27] <KartikPrabhu> uh boy
  222. # [23:41] <KartikPrabhu> kylewm: what happens with textContent on a script tag?
  223. # [23:41] * @tantek catches up on the img/alt discussion
  224. # [23:41] <@tantek> kylewm: that's a bad alt value
  225. # [23:41] <@tantek> that's where the problem is coming from
  226. # [23:41] <@tantek> and has nothing to do with microformats
  227. # [23:42] <@tantek> alt values should be readable inline with the text that they're in, e.g. if the images don't load, *OR* if someone is using a screen reader.
  228. # [23:43] <KartikPrabhu> tantek: sure the alt value is not nicely designed/written. but we're just wondering how mf2-parsers should deal with such.
  229. # [23:44] <KartikPrabhu> atm neither mf2py nor php-mf2 do the img -> alt substitution. and apparently FF does not include alt values in its textContent
  230. # [23:44] <@tantek> so those are two different things
  231. # [23:45] <@tantek> the img->alt substitution is only for e-content value
  232. # [23:45] <@tantek> rather e-* value
  233. # [23:45] <KartikPrabhu> also for p-* when defaulting to textContent
  234. # [23:46] <KartikPrabhu> so the question is tantek, if the e-* thingie has a <script> tag in it should everything inside the <script> be deleted for e-*.value or should the contents of the <script> be included?
  235. # [23:46] <kylewm> KartikPrabhu: no, parsing a p-* property has a different definition than the implied "name"
  236. # [23:46] <KartikPrabhu> kylewm: not implied name see last item here: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parsing_a_p-_property
  237. # [23:46] <kylewm> right, but that wasn't the question
  238. # [23:47] <KartikPrabhu> oh I see. hmm
  239. # [23:47] <Loqi> [[existing-rel-values]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=existing-rel-values&diff=64485&oldid=64478&rcid=100846 * Irakli * (+312) /* non HTML rel values */ Added a new link relation: permission, found in Collection.Document media type spec.
  240. # [23:48] <@tantek> KartikPrabhu: no, parsing p-* is different, that's the point
  241. # [23:48] <@tantek> different from e-* value parsing
  242. # [23:49] <@tantek> KartikPrabhu: re: <script> tag parsing - supposed to follow HTML parsing rules, nothing special there
  243. # [23:50] <KartikPrabhu> tantek: re: script... yeah it seems both mf2py and php-mf2 incluide the contents in the e-*.value so maybe that is ok... where are these HTML parsing rules anyway?
  244. # [23:55] <kylewm> KartikPrabhu: OK, I think that means we're good then. document.querySelector('.h-entry .e-content').textContent includes the script contents
  245. # [23:55] <kylewm> so maybe it's a Known bug
  246. # [23:55] <kylewm> an unknown Known bug
  247. # [23:55] <KartikPrabhu> kylewm: oh ok that resolves the issue I suppose
  248. # Session Close: Fri Aug 15 00:00:00 2014

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