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  23. # [03:45] <Skud> hi folks. can anyone tell me if there's a microformat or anything like it for expressing semantic equivalence of things? For instance, if I have a page on my site all about tomatoes, I want to link to some other sites saying "these are their pages about tomatoes"
  24. # [03:45] <Skud> like, "this remote page deals with the same subject matter as this one"
  25. # [03:47] <@tantek> Skud - yes, tags
  26. # [03:48] <@tantek> tags and tagging are used for signifying subject matter
  27. # [03:48] <@tantek> you do this with microformats with the p-category property on any microformat
  28. # [03:48] <Skud> i'm looking at the wiki now
  29. # [03:49] <@tantek> great!
  30. # [03:50] <Skud> so it's be like <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato' class='u-something'>
  31. # [03:50] <Skud> ummm wait. back up. we don't have a specific microformat for what we're doing.
  32. # [03:50] <Skud> it's a crop database
  33. # [03:51] <Skud> so i guess i was thinking more like a rel="something"
  34. # [03:54] <Skud> i'm trying to advocate for all the various open food projects to make an effort to link to some of the larger central data repositories, to assist with interoperability
  35. # [03:56] <@tantek> if all you're doing is tagging something, you don't need a specific microformat
  36. # [03:56] <@tantek> you can markup any page with h-entry, and then explicitly markup the categories with p-category
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  38. # [04:04] <Skud> we're not tagging something.
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  41. # [04:05] <Skud> tantek: were not tagging anything, and the h-entry docs say they're for blog posts etc, which our pages aren't.
  42. # [04:05] <Skud> tantek: here is the page in question http://growstuff.org/crops/tomato
  43. # [04:05] <@tantek> Skud - all pages can use h-entry
  44. # [04:05] <@tantek> and "all about tomatoes" is the same as tagging something with "tomatoes"
  45. # [04:05] <Skud> the sidebar link under "More information", is what we want to mark up, to say "this wikipedia page addresses the same topic as our page"
  46. # [04:05] <@tantek> that's the meaning of tagging = "all about" something
  47. # [04:06] <Skud> yes but i don't want to say "this is a page about tomatoes"
  48. # [04:06] <Skud> i want to say "this is a page about the same thing as this page"
  49. # [04:06] <Skud> does that distinction make sense?
  50. # [04:06] <@tantek> yes. in that case if it is at the whole page level you can use rel=tag on the link to the thing of the same topic
  51. # [04:07] <@tantek> rel=tag was exactly designed for links of this sort
  52. # [04:07] <@tantek> and also in that case, that's all you do. once you've added "rel=tag" to that wikipedia hyperlink <a href> - you're done.
  53. # [04:08] <@tantek> rel=tag is a well established microformats standard, though the examples are a bit dated (from 2005) and should be updated
  54. # [04:09] <Skud> so it'll say <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/tomato" rel="tag"> and that will suggest to the world at large that the tomato page on wikipedia and the tomato page on growstuff cover the same topic?
  55. # [04:09] <@tantek> what do you think KevinMarks? shall we update the examples in http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-tag - especially since Technorati no longer supports arbitrary blog/page tagging like that?
  56. # [04:09] <@tantek> Skud the suggestion is one-way, just as the hyperlink is
  57. # [04:09] <Skud> well yes, sorry.
  58. # [04:10] <@tantek> it will suggest to the world at large that the this page (on growstuff) is of the same topic as the tomato page on wikipedia
  59. # [04:10] <Skud> i must say this seems *extremely* odd to me.
  60. # [04:10] <@tantek> what aspect seems odd?
  61. # [04:11] <Skud> well, having been using tags and folksonomies for about a decade, i thought i knew what they were
  62. # [04:11] <Skud> a small bit of text that describes the subject matter of some content
  63. # [04:12] <Skud> the examples on the rel-tag wiki page make perfect sense to me
  64. # [04:12] <Skud> but expanding it to work like you're suggesting no longer seems like a tag to me
  65. # [04:12] <Skud> wikipedia's tomato page is not a tag
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  67. # [04:12] <Skud> it's a webpage full of content
  68. # [04:13] <Skud> it just seems a bit mindbending, in a semantic sense. the meaning of "tag" is being stretched to the point where i no longer recognise it.
  69. # [04:13] <@tantek> rel=tag in this instance *is* tagging your page with the "tag" of "Tomato" since that's the last segment of the URL
  70. # [04:14] <Skud> ok, but here's another thing
  71. # [04:14] <@tantek> the URL is also functioning as a disambiguator of sorts - if someone wonders - what do you mean by this "tag" of "tomato"? the answer is, what the specific URL defines it to be
  72. # [04:14] <Skud> some of the things we link to might not have that format of URL
  73. # [04:14] <Skud> for instance http://eol.org/pages/392557/overview
  74. # [04:14] <Skud> that's the encyclopedia of life's page for tomato
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  76. # [04:15] <Skud> but the last segment of the URL is "overview" and before that "392557"
  77. # [04:15] <Skud> the other thing is, you can use tags for things that aren't identity equivalence. for instance i could tag something "funny" or "read later"
  78. # [04:16] <Skud> so when i use rel=tag it doesn't really imply that thing A is the same as thing B, just that thing B in some way describes thing A
  79. # [04:16] <Skud> now, we might want to *actually* have tags on our tomato page, tags like: fruit, full-sun, from-seedling, temperate-climate, etc
  80. # [04:16] <@tantek> correct - which is why the Wikipedia tomato link example makes sense
  81. # [04:17] <Skud> linking to rel=tag for those makes perfect sense to me
  82. # [04:17] <@tantek> yes that sounds right
  83. # [04:17] <Skud> but i want something different for our links to external sites with content about the same entity
  84. # [04:17] <Skud> more like rel=alternate
  85. # [04:18] <Skud> but in a, like, semantic identity sense
  86. # [04:20] <@tantek> hmm too bad about the suboptimal URLs at eol.org
  87. # [04:20] <@tantek> here's a workaround for example: http://eol.org/pages/392557/overview?/tomato
  88. # [04:20] <Skud> here's a post I just wrote about what I'm getting at in a broader sense: http://talk.growstuff.org/t/open-food-interoperability-entities-unique-ids-and-semantic-equivalence/93
  89. # [04:21] * @tantek reads
  90. # [04:25] <@tantek> ah - Freebase - we likely have some colleagues in common. e.g. Micah Saul
  91. # [04:26] <Skud> yes. we worked together.
  92. # [04:26] <Skud> tantek: we've met a couple of times i think, first at barcamp in 2007 IIRC
  93. # [04:26] <@tantek> BarCampBlock ?
  94. # [04:26] <Skud> yeah
  95. # [04:27] <Skud> btw my post is largely in response to https://www.loomio.org/d/lKdgHqoJ/open-data-standards and a bunch of other projects in the space sort of failing around the topic
  96. # [04:27] <@tantek> rather than address the arbitrary entity unique id problem (which I think is a much larger problem, or simpler, in that you say, just use URLs), I'd focus more on the specific use-case you're talking about - food, plants
  97. # [04:28] <@tantek> in the example of food / plants, the microformats approach would be to first look at how scientists in the existing field uniquely identify those entities
  98. # [04:28] <Skud> ha ha yeah, that's an issue
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  100. # [04:28] <Skud> pragmatically speaking, for instance, a whole buttload of vegetables all have the same binomial/scientific names
  101. # [04:29] <Skud> to a scientist, it doesn't matter that 20+ types of leafy green are all "brassica oleracea var. acephela"
  102. # [04:29] <@tantek> tomato is a good example. I'm particularly partial to heirloom cherry tomatoes myself.
  103. # [04:29] <Skud> but to a veggie gardener, they really care about dinosaur kale vs russian red kale, say
  104. # [04:30] <@tantek> wait, dinosaur kale and russian red kale are the same species?
  105. # [04:30] <Skud> yes
  106. # [04:30] <@tantek> oh darn.
  107. # [04:30] <Skud> along with collard greens and heaps of others
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  109. # [04:30] <Skud> check https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmnATvIrO73HdHRiMXBFbEk3dUJNTmFNazZZX0U0Ync#gid=3 (the brassicas tab)
  110. # [04:30] <Skud> all tomatoes are one species
  111. # [04:30] <Skud> all chilli peppers are 3 species
  112. # [04:31] <Skud> all squash (from cucumber to giant pumpkins to loofahs) are just a few species
  113. # [04:31] <@tantek> so wait, botanists don't care to name them individually? what's going on?
  114. # [04:31] <Skud> they're just like "oh yeah there's some natural variation but they can interpollinate so they're the same species"
  115. # [04:31] <Skud> like dogs
  116. # [04:31] <Skud> they're all canis whatever, biologist don't distinguish between a labrador and a poodle
  117. # [04:31] <@tantek> oh right, the interpollination definition of species. goodness.
  118. # [04:32] <Skud> so basically, as gardeners, we are a bit "ehhh whatever" about what the scientists say
  119. # [04:32] <Skud> like it's sometimes handy to know the scientific name just to check whetehr something is what you think it is, but it's not a primary identifier
  120. # [04:32] <@tantek> what about subspecies?
  121. # [04:32] <Skud> yes but still the same problem
  122. # [04:32] <Skud> as i said above, 20+ types of leafy green are all "brassica oleracea var. acephela"
  123. # [04:33] <Skud> sometimes it's var. or subsp. or group, whatever
  124. # [04:33] * @tantek is trying to understand better by asking questions
  125. # [04:33] <Skud> yeah that's fine :)
  126. # [04:33] <Skud> the problem we have is that most of the biological databases only operate at the species level
  127. # [04:33] <Skud> but over on growstuff people are like "can you please add purple onions? can you add rainbow chard? can you add such-and-such a bean?"
  128. # [04:34] <Skud> because that's how gardeners work
  129. # [04:34] <@tantek> and how small farmers work, and farmers markets, and small grocery stores with such produce
  130. # [04:34] <Skud> openfarm are a new project just starting up and they're keenly loading thousands of crops from a big biological database
  131. # [04:35] <Skud> and they are very keen on open data standards and interoperability but have never done any work in that area before so they are flying kind of blind
  132. # [04:36] <@tantek> that's common for subject matter experts - they typically have no informatics backgrounds
  133. # [04:36] <Skud> oh if only they were subject matter experts ;)
  134. # [04:36] <@tantek> oh dear.
  135. # [04:37] <@tantek> subject matter enthusiasts?
  136. # [04:37] <Skud> i mean i'm not really either
  137. # [04:37] <Skud> yeah, most of us are enthusiasts i'd say
  138. # [04:38] <Skud> but one of the things i learned at freebase etc is that it's better to model your ontology on what normal people use and talk about, than to go for some abstract and complex model that nobody really understands
  139. # [04:38] <@tantek> funny that you started with the example of tomato - I'm personally quite picky about what tomatoes I use in what dishes (when cooking)
  140. # [04:38] <@tantek> so I have some direct topical experience, but would not assert any expertise per se
  141. # [04:38] <Skud> yeah
  142. # [04:39] <Skud> the other thing is that i see groups like openfarm deciding to use eg. USDA planting zones, which are US-only *and* are changing rapidly at prsent (50% of the US has shifted growing zone since the 1990s)
  143. # [04:40] <@tantek> this feels like a Wiki-like problem space, with a capital W
  144. # [04:40] <Skud> ehhh. they'll either figure out something different, or they'll be effectively US-only :-/
  145. # [04:40] <Skud> tantek: that's what growstuff is doing. we crowdsource data on what people are planting/harvesting and their geolocation, and aggregate that data and infer planting advice from it.
  146. # [04:41] <@tantek> is the editing model like Wikipedia or OSM/
  147. # [04:41] <@tantek> ?
  148. # [04:41] <Skud> openfarm are hoping to get enthusiasts to write "growing guides" for their locations and type of garden (eg. hydroponic, permaculture, container gardening) which is a different approach but not inherently a bad one.
  149. # [04:41] <Skud> tantek: neither, it's actually largely based on the huge knitting/crochet site Ravelry (http://ravelry.com)
  150. # [04:42] <Skud> you can't edit other people's info. you just record your own stuff (like a garden journal) and then that information is aggregated.
  151. # [04:42] <Skud> http://growstuff.org/crops/tomato.json may be instructive
  152. # [04:43] <@tantek> hmm - sounds like a bit of an impedance mismatch
  153. # [04:43] <@tantek> since plants by their very nature make copies of themselves
  154. # [04:43] <Skud> how do you mean?
  155. # [04:43] <Skud> heh.
  156. # [04:43] <@tantek> it seems odd to have *different* entries for different people for the same plant
  157. # [04:44] <Skud> they're not recording information about "tomatoes", they're recording information about "the tomatoes i planted in my backyard on saturday, from seed that i got from such-and-such a shop"
  158. # [04:44] <Skud> our "crop" model really has nothing but a name to it.
  159. # [04:44] <Skud> all the actual data is on "plantings" and "harvests" and suchlike
  160. # [04:44] <@tantek> and what about seed you got from your friend who also added an entry to the online resource?
  161. # [04:45] <@tantek> at a minimum a github style model would match better
  162. # [04:45] <Skud> that's a work in progress: http://talk.growstuff.org/t/tracking-the-source-of-seeds/92
  163. # [04:45] <@tantek> "forking" each others "plants" ;)
  164. # [04:45] <Skud> not really. most people just buy their seed from a catalogue.
  165. # [04:45] <Skud> and don't conceive of it in that way. trying to get gardeners to think in github terms would be pretty impossible i'm afraid.
  166. # [04:46] <@tantek> I'm thinking more the opposite, getting github users (githubbers?) to think in gardening terms
  167. # [04:47] <Skud> what you're suggesting sounds a little more like what the open source seed initiative are doing http://www.opensourceseedinitiative.org/
  168. # [04:47] <@tantek> digging around I found this http://www.wikiplantatlas.org/plants/earth/index.php (sorry, pardon the pun)
  169. # [04:48] <Skud> there are WAY too many garden puns in this project
  170. # [04:48] <@tantek> I predict someone will create something OSM-like for plants, and it will end up becoming that central collective repository
  171. # [04:49] <Skud> hmmmm i'm not so sure. there are some projects like that but they mostly deal with native species etc.
  172. # [04:49] <@tantek> right - wrong audience
  173. # [04:49] <@tantek> I'm thinking people that plant and grow their own food, combined with people who go shopping at farmers markets for their groceries
  174. # [04:49] <Skud> there was one like that developed at australia's govhack event recently
  175. # [04:50] <Skud> native species i mean
  176. # [04:50] <@tantek> but as you pointed out - species is the wrong granularity for plant foods
  177. # [04:50] <@tantek> maybe that's ok for the eco-preservationist set
  178. # [04:50] <Skud> yup. plus in australia almost all our food species are non-native.
  179. # [04:51] <@tantek> here in SF there are non-trivial numbers of people obsessed about food/plant sources/varietals
  180. # [04:51] <Skud> yeah :)
  181. # [04:52] <@tantek> as well as non-trivial numbers of coders
  182. # [04:52] <@tantek> there's likely quite an overlap
  183. # [04:53] <Skud> yes. send them our way :)
  184. # [04:53] <Skud> we had a hack night in SF back in June but it was quite small.
  185. # [04:53] <@tantek> there are so many events in SF it is difficult to get people's attention
  186. # [04:53] <Skud> yup. don't i know it.
  187. # [04:53] <@tantek> do you do any openrecipes work?
  188. # [04:53] <Skud> and i was only passing through for a little while so it was hard to get the word out.
  189. # [04:54] <Skud> no, not personally. i've looked into it a bit.
  190. # [04:54] <Skud> if you mean https://github.com/fictivekin/openrecipes it seems to be fairly moribund
  191. # [04:55] <@tantek> yeah - sadly
  192. # [04:55] <@tantek> I tried to get involved last year June-ish around OSBridge
  193. # [04:55] <@tantek> even joined their IRC channel and such
  194. # [04:56] <Skud> oh yeah taht was the other place we crossed paths IIRC
  195. # [04:56] <Skud> i wanted to stay for indiewebcamp but couldn't.
  196. # [04:56] <Skud> i think we were in some OSB session together or something. i probably didn't say hi though :-/
  197. # [04:58] <Skud> anyway, back to the open food interoperability thing... a vast number of us are doing Rails projects with JSON REST APIs
  198. # [04:58] <Skud> but we're almost all taking different approaches to 1) what crops/varieties/species we cover, and 2) what data we collect and store
  199. # [04:58] <@tantek> filed an issue which I thought would be pretty easy to fix: https://github.com/fictivekin/openrecipes/issues/198
  200. # [04:59] <Skud> for instance, wrt what crops we cover, Growstuff's scope is "edible plants", while PracticalPlants is "useful plants" and openfarm is "all plants"
  201. # [05:00] <@tantek> alright, lets start capturing this stuff
  202. # [05:00] <@tantek> I have no "obvious" answer, so let's at least collect this
  203. # [05:00] <Skud> http://openfoodfoundation.org/document/open-source-food-projects-list-wiki/target-audience-functionality-web-based-openfood is a good place to start
  204. # [05:01] <Skud> though they are starting at the "farmers trying to distribute their produce" end of things and haven't ventured as far as eg. openrecipes wrt ingredients and how you use them
  205. # [05:02] <@tantek> fascinating, there *is* a page for plant on the wiki!
  206. # [05:02] <@tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/plant
  207. # [05:02] <@tantek> looks like most of the research is a few years old
  208. # [05:03] <Skud> oooh would you mind dropping a link to that on Growstuff Talk?
  209. # [05:03] <Skud> brb just microwaving some lunch
  210. # [05:05] <@tantek> !tell tommorris do you know of any Wikipedia/OSM-style initiative to collect names of edible/useful/decorative/all plants? (more detail than just species, as that's not enough for e.g. various tomatoes are all the same one species). cc: Skud
  211. # [05:05] <Loqi> Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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  213. # [05:08] <@tantek> Skud, can you start by editing http://microformats.org/wiki/plant#Real-World_Examples and adding each of those resources/groups as subsections?
  214. # [05:08] <Skud> which resources/groups do you mean?
  215. # [05:09] <Skud> oh you mean like growstuff etc?
  216. # [05:09] <Skud> i'll add growstuff and a link to some of the lists of other gardening projects... i don't have time to add them all
  217. # [05:10] <Skud> man, captchas are getting creepier now it's more and more obvious you're transcribing people's house numbers :-/
  218. # [05:12] <@tantek> yeah - just some MediaWiki plugin I think
  219. # [05:12] <Skud> yeah we use it too. i just used to feel so much better about it when it was transcribing old books and things.
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  221. # [05:21] <@tantek> Skud - I dislike it completely. We no longer use it on new projects. E.g. the #indiewebcamp uses IndieAuth
  222. # [05:21] <@tantek> s/ uses/ wiki uses/
  223. # [05:21] <Loqi> tantek meant to say: Skud - I dislike it completely. We no longer use it on new projects. E.g. the #indiewebcamp wiki uses IndieAuth
  224. # [05:21] <Loqi> [[plant-examples]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=plant-examples&diff=64549&oldid=45527&rcid=100913 * Skud * (+1725) /* Crocus */
  225. # [05:22] <Skud> here you go: http://microformats.org/wiki/plant-examples#Growstuff
  226. # [05:22] <Skud> i mentioned a couple of problems i foresee
  227. # [05:22] <Skud> including the species issue
  228. # [05:23] <@tantek> good to capture that too - thanks!
  229. # [05:23] <@tantek> at least we had a resource you could add to :)
  230. # [05:23] <@tantek> with maybe even a few examples you had not seen before
  231. # [05:26] <Skud> i don't think any of the ones you listed are open source/open data are they?
  232. # [05:26] <@tantek> hmm - no idea - I didn't add them!
  233. # [05:27] <@tantek> microformats.org is a community resource, and people collaborate on collecting resources
  234. # [05:27] <Skud> oh yeah they don't need to be
  235. # [05:27] <Skud> i just mean, i have mostly been looking at the other open projects
  236. # [05:27] <Skud> and of the ones you list, none are Australian, so i hadn't actually heard of any of them (well except for BBC gardening)
  237. # [05:34] <Skud> ok, time for me to head out and get some stuff done.
  238. # [05:34] <Skud> good talking to you tantek
  239. # [05:34] <@tantek> same here Skud!
  240. # [05:34] <@tantek> glad you stopped by
  241. # [05:34] <Skud> i'll lurk in here for a bit. ping me if anything relevant is being discussed.
  242. # [05:34] <Skud> or dive in on that thread on Growstuff Talk
  243. # [05:34] <@tantek> and now you have me thinking about how I want to document the groceries I buy from my local market and the farmers market
  244. # [05:34] <@tantek> as well as which I use in which recipes!
  245. # [05:35] <@tantek> will do. I have a feeling tommorris will have some key insights to share
  246. # [05:35] <Skud> yeah, i'd love to hear his thoughts.
  247. # [05:35] <@tantek> as he's quite senior/familiar with the ins/outs/hows/whys of Wikipedia and OSM
  248. # [05:35] <@tantek> and would bring good intuition on the applicability of those models to plants
  249. # [05:35] <Skud> yeah.
  250. # [05:35] <Skud> maybe i can catch up with him when i'm in the UK soon.
  251. # [05:36] <@tantek> he's on IRC here (live) all sorts of hours so you're likely to hear back from him soon - if you lurk in the channel
  252. # [05:36] <@tantek> hopefully at least add #microformats to your auto-join
  253. # [05:36] <@tantek> would be nice to see some iteration / progress on plants
  254. # [06:05] <tommorris> Skud, tantek: the only thing I can think of at the moment is Wikidata. :)
  255. # [06:05] <Loqi> tommorris: tantek left you a message 1 hour ago: do you know of any Wikipedia/OSM-style initiative to collect names of edible/useful/decorative/all plants? (more detail than just species, as that's not enough for e.g. various tomatoes are all the same one species). cc: Skud
  256. # [06:06] <tommorris> Skud, tantek: documenting which individual plant species or sub-species type exist in different locations may be over-the-top for OSM, and that data would be unstructured on Wikipedia
  257. # [06:06] <tommorris> but Wikidata would probably be quite keen on that kind of thing
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  264. # [07:08] <KevinMarks> Fascinating conversation on plants
  265. # [07:08] <KevinMarks> It was only when gardening myself that I realised that food plants are all clones
  266. # [07:09] <KevinMarks> Or almost all - when you buy fruit trees they are rootstock with a graft from an existing tree
  267. # [07:10] <KevinMarks> So all Meyer lemons are clones from one source tree
  268. # [07:10] <KevinMarks> They may mutate a bit but they don't breed
  269. # [07:12] <@tantek> I'm definitely a bit surprised there's no wikiplant
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  287. # [09:34] <Skud> tommorris: i'm already pretty aware of wikidata (i was involved in its early days) and am going to be meeting with some of those folks in berlin soon (i'm visiting london and berlin for a couple of weeks in Oct)
  288. # [09:35] <Skud> i'm hoping that lydia pintscher can connect me with any wikidata-ians (what is the word for that?) who are particularly into this sort of stuff.
  289. # [09:37] <Skud> KevinMarks: fruit trees can and do breed from seed, but the desirable fruit characteristics (sweetness, etc) are usually recessive genes, so seed-bred fruit tend to be not as good as grafted/cloned varieties. however, chance-grown fruit from seeds is how we got some of our common varieties, eg. granny smith, which just kind of randomly happened.
  290. # [09:38] <Skud> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chance_seedling
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  292. # [09:56] <KevinMarks__> Skud - I loved this article you posted before: http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/04/heritage-apples-john-bunker-maine?page=1
  293. # [09:57] <tommorris> tantek: there's Wikispecies but I think the green-fingered folk may be too busy out gardening to be wiki-ing. :)
  294. # [09:57] <tommorris> also Skud, as someone who lives in a tiny london flat but appreciates green spaces, your project looks pretty awesome.
  295. # [10:03] <Skud> tommorris: thanks :) any interest in a pint or something while i'm in town btw?
  296. # [10:04] <Skud> there's also this event: http://talk.growstuff.org/t/london-working-bee-code-sprint-october-18-19-2014/79/6
  297. # [10:04] <Skud> KevinMarks__: that dude sounds so great. i would love to meet him. there's a guy in my town who's "the apple guy" but he's not as much as an expert as that dude. or at least, he couldn't tell me what the apple in my backyard was.
  298. # [10:08] <KevinMarks__> i wonder at what point gene sequencing becomes common enough that it's done routinely
  299. # [10:12] <Skud> hmmm that would be cool
  300. # [10:16] <Skud> tommorris: wait i think i just remembered you don't drink. coffee? bubble tea? vegetarian lunch?
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  303. # [10:51] <tommorris> Skud: possibly. I'll need to check my calendar. Also, I do now drink. :)
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  305. # [11:15] <Skud> tommorris: i'm not sure i have your email address handy but if you drop me a line at skud@growstuff.org we can probably sort something out
  306. # [11:30] <tommorris> Skud: done
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