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  1. # Session Start: Thu Oct 02 00:00:01 2014
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  3. # [00:01] <KevinMarks__> specially for skud: http://wondermark.com/1k59/
  4. # [00:13] <Loqi> [[h-entry]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=h-entry&diff=64552&oldid=64540&rcid=100916 * Bcomnes * (+878) /* Example */ Addded parsed JSON
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  6. # [00:15] <bret> !tell tantek Ok I added a parsed example here http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry I'll do the rest if that looks okay to everyone
  7. # [00:15] <Loqi> Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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  18. # [01:11] <Loqi> [@crawlerguys] RT @indexwordpress Giveaway: opportunity to get free Multi-Site Licenses of Author HReview Pro #WordPress #giveaway http://www.indexwp.com/giveaway-author-hreview-pro/ (http://twtr.io/rLmKPfaFQo)
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  26. # [02:00] <webkernel> hello....is there someone available to help with a question?
  27. # [02:04] <bret> webkernel: yea
  28. # [02:05] <webkernel> ok, thanks
  29. # [02:05] <bret> channel is monitored too, so if nobody is around just hang out
  30. # [02:05] <webkernel> i am using this line of code in my wordpress article
  31. # [02:05] <webkernel> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2013-05-01 12:00:00">20 minutes ago</time>
  32. # [02:06] <webkernel> when I publish the article and then go back to the editor the code looses the tagging
  33. # [02:06] <bret> yikes
  34. # [02:06] <webkernel> it remains only 20 minutes ago
  35. # [02:06] <webkernel> is this normal?
  36. # [02:07] <bret> so wordpress is 'cleaning' your html?
  37. # [02:07] <webkernel> yes...and also tumblr
  38. # [02:07] <bret> even when you look at view source
  39. # [02:07] <webkernel> yes
  40. # [02:07] <webkernel> but only this time class
  41. # [02:07] <bret> tumblr definitely can take microformats
  42. # [02:07] <webkernel> the other code is ok
  43. # [02:07] <bret> never done it myself but seen it
  44. # [02:08] <bret> are you doing this i a post or the template level?
  45. # [02:08] <webkernel> if i create a html page in Komposer and publish in my website via ftp, all is ok
  46. # [02:08] <Loqi> [@ksplestari2004] Kabar Kami Mengatasi Missing Required Field dan Hcard Author http://ksplestari.blogspot.com/2014/10/cara-mengatasi-missing-required-field-dan-hcard-author.html (http://twtr.io/rLrVXYEGTj)
  47. # [02:08] <bret> so the word press publishing tools are stripping your html
  48. # [02:09] <webkernel> but only the time class
  49. # [02:09] <bret> not sure why
  50. # [02:09] <webkernel> it happens the same in tumblr
  51. # [02:10] <bret> webkernel: I would ask in #wordpress
  52. # [02:10] <@tantek> time element
  53. # [02:10] <@tantek> to be clear
  54. # [02:10] <Loqi> tantek: bret left you a message 1 hour, 55 minutes ago: Ok I added a parsed example here http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry I'll do the rest if that looks okay to everyone
  55. # [02:11] <@tantek> it sounds like WordPress needs to be updated to support the new HTML5 elements
  56. # [02:11] <bret> ideally, you put the microformats in the template level
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  58. # [02:11] <GWG> Did I hear someone say Wordpress and Microformats?
  59. # [02:12] <webkernel> yes :)
  60. # [02:12] <webkernel> http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress
  61. # [02:12] <GWG> What seems to be the problem?
  62. # [02:12] <GWG> OR question?
  63. # [02:12] <GWG> Query?
  64. # [02:12] <GWG> Etc?
  65. # [02:12] <webkernel> i am using time element within a post
  66. # [02:12] <GWG> Yes?
  67. # [02:12] <webkernel> after publishing the tag disappears
  68. # [02:12] <@tantek> GWG, it appears something in WordPress is filtering out the <time> element
  69. # [02:13] <@tantek> from that I would generalize to say that WordPress may be filtering out *all* new HTML5 elements, e.g. <article>, <aside>, <data> etc.
  70. # [02:13] <webkernel> no, not <article>
  71. # [02:13] <webkernel> only <time>
  72. # [02:13] <webkernel> i am testing with this example
  73. # [02:13] <webkernel> <article class="h-entry">
  74. # [02:13] <webkernel> <div class="e-content p-summary p-name">
  75. # [02:13] <webkernel> <p>Just writing a guide to using <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats-2">
  76. # [02:13] <webkernel> microformats-2</a></p>
  77. # [02:13] <webkernel> </div>
  78. # [02:13] <webkernel> <time class="dt-published" datetime="2013-05-01 12:00:00">20 minutes ago</time>
  79. # [02:14] <@tantek> interesting, then perhaps WordPress may be filtering out all new elements in HTML5 *introduced in 2011-11-01 or later* like <time>, <data>, maybe some others
  80. # [02:14] <webkernel> </article>
  81. # [02:14] <webkernel> it happens in tumblr also
  82. # [02:14] <@tantek> bret - re: JSON example in /h-entry - well done! yes feel free to do so to the other specs too!
  83. # [02:15] <webkernel> i am using sempress theme
  84. # [02:15] <bret> I think the side by side helps make the usecase/purpose much more clear
  85. # [02:18] <GWG> Why do you want the time element in the editor? That's usually put in by the theme?
  86. # [02:18] <@tantek> bret - re: HTML+microformats and JSON? well - much more clear to *some* folks (programmer / parser types) - but certainly not majority (HTML coders / publishers)
  87. # [02:19] <GWG> This isn't Wordpress. This is TinyMCE I think
  88. # [02:19] <webkernel> I see....for that I need to know what to edit. I'll try to figure out!
  89. # [02:19] <GWG> Install the TinyMCE Advanced plugin and select the option to not filter HTML5 elements
  90. # [02:20] <GWG> webkernel: If you want the direct solution
  91. # [02:20] <GWG> But usually I put the post time/modified time automatically in the theme. I suppose you could have a time in the paost
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  93. # [02:21] <webkernel> thanks! I'll do!
  94. # [02:25] <GWG> webkernel: Still curious...what were you trying to do?
  95. # [02:25] <GWG> What time was it?
  96. # [02:25] <GWG> Is there a URL?
  97. # [02:26] <webkernel> I was trying to test time element within the post as per an example I saw in microformats.org
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  99. # [02:26] <@tantek> makes sense
  100. # [02:27] <@tantek> WordPress treats "inside the post" as somewhat from the core, somewhat from the theme, the template, and the user, right?
  101. # [02:27] <webkernel> http://paulospinto.wordpress.com/2014/10/01/1/
  102. # [02:29] <KartikPrabhu> from reading this question, Wordpress sounds like a shit-show wt HTML judas priest
  103. # [02:30] <KartikPrabhu> webkernel: just to be sure, is the whole time element removed or only datetime?
  104. # [02:30] <webkernel> the whole time element
  105. # [02:30] <@tantek> KartikPrabhu: user-friendly CMS UI that can handle updates at various levels of "code" is a very difficult problem. I wouldn't begrudge the WP folks for where they have ended up. They've outlived a bunch of other solutions that were not as good.
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  107. # [02:31] <KartikPrabhu> tantek: still if I enter something in HTML-editor mode I would expect it to stay there regardless
  108. # [02:31] <KartikPrabhu> maybe a trade-off to creating a one-size fits all solution
  109. # [02:32] <KartikPrabhu> webkernel: what if you put datetime in the ISO format as so: 2014-10-01T13:20:17-05:00 ?
  110. # [02:32] <KartikPrabhu> notice the "T" in there
  111. # [02:32] <webkernel> I think i've done that as well...let me check
  112. # [02:32] <@tantek> KartikPrabhu: no need for the "T" in the HTML5 time element
  113. # [02:33] <GWG> tantek: Yes. It separates the layers
  114. # [02:33] <KartikPrabhu> tantek: I know, wondeirng if that is causing some filtering
  115. # [02:33] <@tantek> the datetime attribute for <time> is a bit more user/author friendly than ISO8601
  116. # [02:33] <@tantek> KartikPrabhu: it's not an HTML editor. It's a WYSIWYG editor that sort-of supports some HTML as an advanced escape hatch for those that "know what they're doing"
  117. # [02:33] <KartikPrabhu> hmm :(
  118. # [02:33] <@tantek> kind of like a lot of Markdown variants
  119. # [02:33] <@tantek> ;)
  120. # [02:34] * KartikPrabhu always like a pure HTML mode, like Blogger had. But they did other horrible things so...
  121. # [02:34] <GWG> But, what you seem to be doing is putting in 20 minutes ago?
  122. # [02:34] <GWG> So you want relative as opposed to absolute time displayed in the theme then?
  123. # [02:34] <GWG> If you put the time code in the post editor, it will be absolute
  124. # [02:34] <KartikPrabhu> GWG: human readable relative time in text but absolute time in data elements sounds good to me
  125. # [02:34] <webkernel> i know.....
  126. # [02:35] <webkernel> it's absolute
  127. # [02:35] <GWG> webkernel: Just trying to understand.
  128. # [02:35] <webkernel> i am just making my first steps into microformats
  129. # [02:35] <webkernel> and i am testing
  130. # [02:35] <webkernel> this is not a real post :)
  131. # [02:35] <GWG> webkernel: SemPress uses mf2 markup though with time
  132. # [02:37] <GWG> But you can change the display to make the times show relatively while marked up absolutely.
  133. # [02:37] <GWG> There is even a plugin for it called relative date
  134. # [02:37] <GWG> Either way, if you are experimenting with markup manually, just use the Advanced settings I mentiond
  135. # [02:38] * @tantek makes some remark about minimizing use of "just", especially with reference to any "settings" ;)
  136. # [02:38] <@tantek> or "simply" for that matter :)
  137. # [02:38] <webkernel> tinyMCE solves the problem
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  139. # [02:38] <GWG> tantek: Merely install the plugin, which will allow you a settings interface for settings you yourself could set manually, but don't have to.
  140. # [02:38] <GWG> Why code when someone has?
  141. # [02:39] <@tantek> lol: "merely"
  142. # [02:39] <webkernel> i've installed the plugin
  143. # [02:39] * GWG pulls out thesaurus
  144. # [02:40] <GWG> Purely
  145. # [02:40] <GWG> Solely
  146. # [02:40] <GWG> KartikPrabhu: You don't do relative time on your site
  147. # [02:41] <webkernel> what is the advantage of using sempress? I still need to use microformats in my code, right?
  148. # [02:42] <GWG> webkernel: Sempress is the theme. You can always write your own, I did.
  149. # [02:42] <GWG> Sempress marks up the page for you
  150. # [02:42] <GWG> IT puts whatever you put in the post editor inside e-content
  151. # [02:42] <GWG> It adds the post metadata in the proper formatting
  152. # [02:43] <webkernel> cool
  153. # [02:44] <GWG> webkernel: You can always do your own code. I wrote my own Wordpress theme that has the microformats built in inside it, in thesame way Sempress does.
  154. # [02:45] <webkernel> for that I need to learn code.... I am making my first steps into the world of modified content...sorry :)
  155. # [02:45] <webkernel> may i say i'm a dumb?
  156. # [02:45] <@tantek> no. but you may say you are learning :)
  157. # [02:46] <GWG> webkernel: Never say that.
  158. # [02:46] <GWG> There is always something new to learn
  159. # [02:46] <GWG> And tantek makes me feel like I should know more all the time.
  160. # [02:46] <GWG> But he's been doing this much longer than I have
  161. # [02:46] <webkernel> that's my intention....to learn. Stiff learning curve though
  162. # [02:46] <@tantek> may we all never stop learning
  163. # [02:46] <GWG> tantek: That's the challenge
  164. # [02:46] <webkernel> yeap
  165. # [02:47] <@tantek> and the opportunity :)
  166. # [02:47] <GWG> To learn and to share
  167. # [02:48] <webkernel> i'll begin with html i supose
  168. # [02:48] <webkernel> then CSS?
  169. # [02:49] <webkernel> javascript?
  170. # [02:49] <GWG> webkernel: What is your goal?
  171. # [02:49] <webkernel> blogging and be able to fine tuning my themes
  172. # [02:50] <webkernel> cross-posting
  173. # [02:50] <webkernel> indieweb
  174. # [02:50] <webkernel> that will be enough for now :)
  175. # [02:51] <GWG> webkernel: Do you want to use Wordpress or something else?
  176. # [02:51] <GWG> Cross-posting to where? You mean POSSE to Facebook/Twitter/etc?
  177. # [02:52] <webkernel> till today all my experience is with WP and also with tumblr (for some months), but always in a user level
  178. # [02:52] <webkernel> POSSE yes
  179. # [02:52] <webkernel> i'm using Bridgy with tumblr
  180. # [02:53] <webkernel> I have a hosting and a domain
  181. # [02:53] <webkernel> i can install other blog software if that is better for my learning process
  182. # [02:55] <GWG> webkernel: If you want to stick with Wordpress, you can install plugins to add Indieweb functionality, and customize for additional ones.
  183. # [02:56] <GWG> For example, the Webmentions and Semantic Linkbacks plugins add those features to Wordpress pretty seamlessly.
  184. # [02:56] <GWG> My Semantic Comments plugin changes the presentation of comments on a Webmention site
  185. # [02:56] <webkernel> i think i'll stick with WP
  186. # [02:57] <webkernel> step-by-step i'll try to understand all those concepts like rel-syndication, webmention, etc.
  187. # [03:01] <GWG> IF you want to POSSE without Bridgy, try the Social Plugin or the Nextscript SNAP plugin
  188. # [03:01] <GWG> IF you want to add rel-syndication, you have jihaisse's Wordpress Syndication plugin or my Syndication Links plugin
  189. # [03:01] <GWG> IF you want to be able to set reply/like/favorite terms on posts that are in response to other posts, try the Indieweb Taxonomy plugin
  190. # [03:02] <webkernel> i've installe indieweb plugin right now and other recommended ones
  191. # [03:02] <webkernel> i'll go for social plugin
  192. # [03:02] <GWG> Different people have different preferences.
  193. # [03:03] <GWG> I didn't use the Wordpress Syndication plugin, and wrote my own, because I had different needs.
  194. # [03:03] <GWG> I suppose I could have contributed to jihaisse's plugin, but...
  195. # [03:03] <webkernel> i think Wordpress Syndication doesn't work with WP 4.0
  196. # [03:03] <webkernel> it runs only up to 3.7
  197. # [03:03] <GWG> Mine is still being developed.
  198. # [03:04] <GWG> I need to add an automatic content filter for people who don't want to code
  199. # [03:04] <GWG> And instructions
  200. # [03:04] * GWG makes notes of things he should do
  201. # [03:04] <webkernel> :) great
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  203. # [03:05] <webkernel> well.... it's very late now. I need to sleep. Tomorrow another working day!
  204. # [03:05] <webkernel> tks vy much for your help
  205. # [03:05] <webkernel> i'll be back :)
  206. # [03:05] <GWG> webkernel: That gives me till tomorrow to push that out in an update to the repository
  207. # [03:06] <webkernel> good night everyone! regards from Portugal
  208. # [03:06] <Loqi> buenas noches
  209. # [03:06] <webkernel> boa noite
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  213. # [03:24] <@tantek> GWG thanks and well done :)
  214. # [03:35] <GWG> tantek: I want to help
  215. # [03:37] <KartikPrabhu> GWG: yeah I don't like purely relative times. something like absolute-time (relative-time) might be better
  216. # [03:37] <@tantek> I think aaronpk wrote a blog post about relative times
  217. # [03:39] <KartikPrabhu> yes ^
  218. # [03:39] <KartikPrabhu> http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2012/08/23/1/you-should-not-be-displaying-relative-dates
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  256. # [12:48] <webkernel> hi..anyone knows why I can't create an app in twitter named NextScripts?
  257. # [12:48] <webkernel> twitter NextScripts is already taken for Name
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  266. # [14:21] <Loqi> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=64553&oldid=64539&rcid=100917 * Psi * (+132) /* new and uncategorized examples */
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