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- # Session Start: Wed Jan 21 00:00:00 2015
- # Session Ident: #microformats
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- # [03:52] <kylewm> I'm at the place. got 3/4 of a long table by the cash register
- # [03:58] <Loqi> [@Movies_Reddit] The Interview - G&Hreview https://www.youtube.com/ (http://twtr.io/vLbDUxJCks)
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- # [04:05] <aaronpk> good evening!
- # [04:07] <kylewm> hi aaronpk. tommorris kevinmarks and I are here, waiting for tantek and a few more
- # [04:08] <aaronpk> sweet
- # [04:13] <aaronpk> according to this, tantek is gonna be a little late http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-01-20/line/1421806726555
- # [04:14] <Loqi> [@mannooran] The Interview - G&Hreview via /r/movies http://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/2t4mdp/the_interview_ghreview/ #Movies (http://twtr.io/vLcePR5Apc)
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- # [04:20] <kylewm-du-dome> we have a tantek
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- # [04:23] * aaronpk is joining from a bar in portland after just having watched the SOTU
- # [04:24] <KevinMarks_> hi there
- # [04:27] <tommorris> aaronpk: talky.io time?
- # [04:27] <aaronpk> i'm in a bar so i will mute myself but sure
- # [04:27] <kylewm_> talky.io/microformats
- # [04:29] <aaronpk> OMG is that tommorris IRL?!
- # [04:29] <tommorris> Yep.
- # [04:30] <aaronpk> HAI!
- # [04:36] <aaronpk> hello?
- # [04:36] <tommorris> kylewm: https://github.com/tommorris/mf2py/issues/27
- # [04:37] <aaronpk> that lady who just walked by seemed very confused by the table of laptops
- # [04:37] <tommorris> ...in San Francisco. What a sight!
- # [04:37] <aaronpk> *gasp*
- # [04:38] <KartikPrabhu> tommorris: kylewm_ : oh the new e-parsing does not get rid of the blank spaces it seems?...
- # [04:38] <KevinMarks_> it's the bonus laptop not attached to humans
- # [04:38] <tommorris> KartikPrabhu: I haven't merged that in yet. :)
- # [04:39] <KartikPrabhu> tommorris: oh so that bug is separate?
- # [04:39] <tommorris> the bug is against the current master.
- # [04:39] <KartikPrabhu> oh ok
- # [04:39] <aaronpk> so how bout them h-entry's?
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- # [04:42] <aaronpk> oh dammit talky is eating my cpu
- # [04:42] <kylewm_> KartikPrabhu: tommorris: I'm confused about the HTML whitespace thing. if i knew how to use git blame, i could maybe figure out where it was introduced...
- # [04:43] <aaronpk> what do you say we get to the meat of this meetup within 30 minutes
- # [04:43] <tommorris> Yup. :)
- # [04:43] <KartikPrabhu> ok so what is the agenda?
- # [04:43] <aaronpk> kylewm_: github has a git blame view
- # [04:43] <aaronpk> what's the repo in question?
- # [04:47] <@tantek> topic: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues#implied_properties_on_backcompat_parsing_unlikely_to_be_intended
- # [04:48] <kylewm_> tantek: when I came up with the idea of implied property, when i came up wtih the idea of backcompat, i did not think about using them together
- # [04:48] <aaronpk> agreed
- # [04:48] <kylewm_> the proposal is when prsing backcompat, implied properties should not be implied
- # [04:49] <kylewm_> it is causing bad false positives
- # [04:49] <kylewm_> KevinMarks_: the counter example might be wordpress templates that have microformats framing everything, but microformats2 nested inside
- # [04:50] <kylewm_> might be a good idea to check wtih GWG and who all is doing wordpress templates
- # [04:50] <kylewm_> aaronpk: is that anomalilly?
- # [04:51] <aaronpk> kylewm_: yes she dragged me to an SOTU viewing party ;)
- # [04:52] <kylewm_> tommorris: suggesting setting some boundaries, when you are parsing a mf1 legacy entry, do not allow any mf2 entries inside
- # [04:53] <kylewm_> tantek+Kevin: we should specify behavior for mf1 nested inside mf2
- # [04:53] <kylewm_> hi anomalily :)
- # [04:56] <kylewm_> KevinMarks_: showing a wordpress example where you install micformats2 plugin without a compatible theme
- # [04:56] <kylewm_> p-name inside entry-content
- # [04:57] <KevinMarks_> example: http://www.jeanmrussell.com/testing-brid-gy/ using wordpress with a classic template and mf-2 inside it
- # [05:00] <kylewm_> that example has <body class="...h-entry hentry..."> which means it would be parsed *without* backward compatibility
- # [05:00] <aaronpk> eep
- # [05:00] <kylewm_> because h-entry implies that it has mf2, so mf1 would be overmatching
- # [05:01] <KevinMarks_> here's what we get: http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jeanmrussell.com%2Ftesting-brid-gy%2F
- # [05:01] <KevinMarks_> note the 2 content's
- # [05:01] <KevinMarks_> and 3(!) names
- # [05:01] <tommorris> That looks like a particularly fun way of making parser developers buy painkillers. :)
- # [05:01] <KevinMarks_> 4 name's
- # [05:02] <tommorris> and the four names are not all the same
- # [05:03] <tommorris> and in mf2py: http://mf2py.herokuapp.com/parse?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jeanmrussell.com%2Ftesting-brid-gy%2F
- # [05:03] <kylewm_> tantek edits the wiki
- # [05:04] <KartikPrabhu> a minimal example would be nice
- # [05:04] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-issues&diff=64780&oldid=64736&rcid=101154 * Tantek * (+707) adding two issues to stop "crossing the streams" interactions between classic/uf2 roots/properties. AKA don't cross the streams.
- # [05:04] <@tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues#backcompat_classic_microformats_should_only_see_backcompat_properties
- # [05:04] <kylewm_> KartikPrabhu: of which part? the wordpress blog Kevin posted is pretty good
- # [05:05] <KartikPrabhu> kylewm_ that seems to have a whole bunch of comments and all that. the error is in the main h-entry yes?
- # [05:07] <kylewm_> KartikPrabhu: every post on snarfed.org has the same <entry-content><e-content> problem, e.g. https://snarfed.org/2014-11-24_11741
- # [05:07] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-issues&diff=64781&oldid=64780&rcid=101155 * Tantek * (+574) /* issues */ add reasoning/thoughts sections to don't cross the streams issues
- # [05:07] <kylewm_> hard to find one without comments
- # [05:09] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-issues&diff=64782&oldid=64781&rcid=101156 * Tantek * (+90) /* implied properties on backcompat parsing unlikely to be intended */ resolved at meetup
- # [05:10] <KevinMarks_> search for e-content in http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jeanmrussell.com%2Ftesting-brid-gy%2F
- # [05:10] <KevinMarks_> "name": [ "Testing Brid.gy", "Testing Brid.gy", "Disruption and IIW Fall 2014", "Testing Brid.gy" ], "category": [ "Uncategorized" ], "content": [ { "html": "
\n \t\t\t<div class=\"e-content\"><p>How do I get things to show up from here to twitter and facebook and also for twitter and facebook to show up here?<\/p>\n<\/div> \t\t\t",
- # [05:13] * aaronpk has to run!
- # [05:13] <aaronpk> good evening!
- # [05:22] <kylewm_> KartikPrabhu: the whitespace issue seems to go back forever, I bet it is dependent on html5lib vs. lxml or whatever
- # [05:22] <KartikPrabhu> kylewm_ o poo!
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- # [05:23] <KartikPrabhu> kylewm_ odd that this test failuer did not show before!?
- # [05:25] <GWG> So, where are we in this backward compatibility discussion?
- # [05:26] <KevinMarks_> tantek is changing http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-issues
- # [05:27] <GWG> I'm still trying to get mf2 into WordPress core.
- # [05:27] <GWG> I got someone to agree to bring it up at the next dev meeting
- # [05:27] <kylewm_> GWG: the idea is basically, 1) if a root element has a mf2 class on it, it will be parsed without backward compatibility; and 2) if a root element has a mf1 class without an mf2 class, mf2 properties will be ignored
- # [05:28] <GWG> So, all anyone has to do is add the new class, not necessarily remove the old?
- # [05:28] <kylewm_> yep
- # [05:28] <GWG> Works
- # [05:28] <tommorris> kylewm_: good work!
- # [05:29] <KevinMarks_> next discussion: child microformats issues -
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- # [05:30] <KevinMarks_> t: classic mf1 had specified child properties only
- # [05:30] <KevinMarks_> mf2 allows more arbitrary embedding
- # [05:34] <kylewm_> an mf2 class with an mf1 class nested inside "obviously" makes sense, since mf2 expects nested objects
- # [05:34] <kylewm_> an mf1 class with a nested mf2 class is tricky
- # [05:34] <kylewm_> should the mf1 class be the end of the line (since mf1 did not have expected children), or should the mf2 class be parsed as a child
- # [05:34] <KevinMarks_> GWG: note that google only currently parses mf1, and is using it for page-type categorisation; it will only show a single type (though may show eg multiple reviews or events
- # [05:35] <GWG> Who else uses mf1?
- # [05:35] <GWG> I know few people use 2
- # [05:35] <kylewm_> tantek: my default is to ignore the nested mf2 class
- # [05:35] <KevinMarks_> https://developers.google.com/webmasters/structured-data/testing-tool/ shows this; this was a motivation for a lot of SEO, and many wp users do this
- # [05:35] <kylewm_> GWG: every wordpress blog uses mf1 right?
- # [05:36] <KevinMarks_> a note from that community: http://www.seoskeptic.com/json-ld-big-day-at-google/
- # [05:37] <kylewm_> tantek: hAtom has hFeed with unattached hEntry children
- # [05:38] <KevinMarks_> hReviewAggregate doesn't get hReview children
- # [05:39] <kylewm_> tantek: another option is to hoist micformats2 classes up to the peer level with its parent mf1 element
- # [05:40] <KevinMarks_> tom: can we find a significant corpus of mixing 1 and 2
- # [05:41] <KevinMarks_> tom: suggest to barnaby that our online parsers have an opt-out "stash a copy as an example" checkbox
- # [05:41] <GWG> kylewm_: Not every, no.
- # [05:41] <KevinMarks_> by default, with default themes
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- # [05:55] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-issues&diff=64784&oldid=64782&rcid=101158 * Tantek * (+2064) uf2 children inside a classic microformats root class name, any h- root class name overrides and stops backcompat root
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- # [07:15] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-brainstorming&diff=64785&oldid=64748&rcid=101159 * Tantek * (+165) resolve nested object on a property brainstorm from kylewm, decided to adopt
- # [07:16] <Loqi> [@TechWars_io] We compared #hcard vs #vcard - see results: http://www.techwars.io/fight/hcard/vcard/ (http://twtr.io/vLu0CxxwQY)
- # [07:17] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-issues&diff=64786&oldid=64784&rcid=101160 * Tantek * (+96) /* issues */ resolve uf2 children inside a classic microformats root class name
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- # [07:26] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-issues&diff=64787&oldid=64786&rcid=101161 * Tantek * (+652) resolve a bunch more
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- # [07:33] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-issues&diff=64788&oldid=64787&rcid=101162 * Tantek * (+110) no consensus on the form root issue
- # [07:45] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-brainstorming&diff=64789&oldid=64785&rcid=101163 * Tantek * (+191) /* Canonicalization of datetime output */ consensus on choices, not clear how strong a priority
- # [07:56] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-brainstorming&diff=64790&oldid=64789&rcid=101164 * Tantek * (+497) /* Add meta http-equiv to microformats2 parsing model */ http - reasonable as optional pass, no need for metas until someone provides use-cases
- # [07:56] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-brainstorming&diff=64791&oldid=64790&rcid=101165 * Tantek * (+7) html4strict
- # [08:06] <@tantek> and with that I believe we are done with key issues and brainstorms for microformats2
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- # [08:57] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-issues&diff=64792&oldid=64788&rcid=101166 * Tantek * (-10) not a stub for a while
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- # [22:38] <@tantek> what was the comment last night about <template> and microformats parsing?
- # [22:38] <@tantek> could someone (tommorris kylewm KevinMarks_ ) remember and add it to the parsing issues doc?
- # [22:38] <@tantek> (along with proposed resolution I hope :) )
- # [22:39] <@tantek> microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues
- # [22:39] <@tantek> thanks!
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- # [22:52] <Loqi> [@miyoko_552] Error: Missing required hCard “author” http://rich-snippets.newsin.tk/a/57ba72b0-8a6e-11e4-b757-afda85417759 (http://twtr.io/vNJAtPbTj0)
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