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  1. # Session Start: Tue Feb 24 00:00:01 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #microformats
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  32. # [07:18] <Loqi> [@x2kmr] @2k10x hCalendar (http://twtr.io/w_Fgip9H9M)
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  77. # [18:33] <Loqi> [@RAJENDRAINFO] Medical reambrshmnt vil b continue Feb2015 last dt Next vil b forced Hcards as per GO159 dt 22 Dec 20 14 Plz alert (http://twtr.io/waGLKzT0G0)
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  83. # [19:49] <kylewm> loqi doesn't search for instances of "microformats" in tweets?
  84. # [19:50] <kylewm> e.g., https://twitter.com/jackschofield/status/570292624684425216
  85. # [19:50] <Loqi> [@jackschofield] @kevinmarks @davewiner Microformats work fine in plain text, don't they? Name: John Doe etc for a .vcf file. What am I missing? (http://twtr.io/waNW96dFtb)
  86. # [20:09] <@tantek> kylewm: it used to until it was too noisy
  87. # [20:09] <@tantek> and we turned off just "microformats"
  88. # [20:09] <@tantek> there were too many misuses of it
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  98. # [23:09] <fiatjaf> isn't h-recipe too much specific?
  99. # [23:10] <fiatjaf> http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#h-recipe
  100. # [23:10] <@tantek> fiatjaf - could you rephrase your question as a positive?
  101. # [23:12] <fiatjaf> I don't know what you mean
  102. # [23:12] <@tantek> Exactly, I don't know what you mean.
  103. # [23:15] <fiatjaf> really? you can't even imagine what I meant? or you just think my question was stupid?
  104. # [23:20] <@tantek> questions of the form "isn't X bad?" make no sense
  105. # [23:20] <@tantek> so instead
  106. # [23:20] <@tantek> ask what you *want*
  107. # [23:29] <fiatjaf> sorry, you are right.
  108. # [23:31] <fiatjaf> I wanna know if it is one of the goals of microformats to have specific vocabularies for each kind of data that may exist in the internet (from blog posts to recipes), or if the goal is to have some general and more abstract vocabularies that could be reused in different contexts (like h-entry).
  109. # [23:31] <@tantek> neither is a direct goal
  110. # [23:32] <@tantek> in as much as principles are goals, captured here: http://microformats.org/wiki/principles
  111. # [23:33] <@tantek> note also that goals like "specific vocabularies for each kind of data that may exist in the internet " is what has been referred to as boiling the ocean
  112. # [23:34] <@tantek> "may exist" is so broad as to not be reasonably actionable
  113. # [23:34] <fiatjaf> yes, exactly
  114. # [23:34] <@tantek> "abstract" is also not a goal, whereas *reuse* is
  115. # [23:34] <@tantek> there's a big difference
  116. # [23:34] <@tantek> see also architecture astronauts
  117. # [23:35] <@tantek> https://indiewebcamp.com/architecture_astronomy
  118. # [23:36] <fiatjaf> but h-recipe is so specific that it made me think that reusability was not a goal, but that the standard would perhaps create new specific vocabularies for any kind of data that becomed popular as internet topics, like recipes and blog posts, but not "kinds of ants".
  119. # [23:42] <@tantek> microformats are very real world examples research driven
  120. # [23:43] <@tantek> it makes sense to focus on solving problems that show real world evidence of a need to be solved, rather than "any kind of data"
  121. # Session Close: Wed Feb 25 00:00:00 2015

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