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  15. # [01:56] <aaronpk> the svg logo linked from http://microformats.org/wiki/spread-microformats is gone
  16. # [01:56] <aaronpk> http://remiprevost.com/images/wallpapers/microformats/mf-vector.svg
  17. # [01:58] <@tantek> perhaps document that on the page? but leave the link as a "dead" link with <nowiki> …</nowiki> markup on it
  18. # [01:58] <@tantek> so there's a chance of say digging into the internet archive to find it
  19. # [02:00] <Loqi> [[spread-microformats]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=spread-microformats&diff=64860&oldid=52351&rcid=101236 * Aaronpk * (+65)
  20. # [02:01] <aaronpk> it's okay to upload the logo to the wiki directly right?
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  24. # [02:11] <@tantek> hmm - depends on who created which version?
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  75. # [07:37] <Loqi> [[hcard-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcard-examples-in-wild&diff=64861&oldid=64857&rcid=101237 * Centredentaire * (+155) /* new and uncategorized examples */
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  79. # [08:38] <Loqi> [@robbeaux] A Quick Overview of Author hReview http://www.robbeaux.com/getresponse/?p=3504 (http://twtr.io/xFN6yinQDt)
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  96. # [14:39] <Loqi> [@YoshiFan13] @WendysSketches IM LGCAUFGHIGN SO HCARD (http://twtr.io/xFuapNJvMb)
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  128. # [19:13] <Mark87> In microformats 2, can I specify an item and one of its properties on the same element? I.e., <div class="h-entry e-content">Hello, world!</div>
  129. # [19:14] <Mark87> And is that valid for all possible combinations of microformats/properties? Obviously some of them are implied, but for the ones that aren't....
  130. # [19:15] <Loqi> [@wikipedia_new] HCard http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/HCard?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (http://twtr.io/xGKS3SFLbH)
  131. # [19:16] <@tantek> Mark87 no that's never been possible in any microformat
  132. # [19:16] <@tantek> because it conflicts with embedding
  133. # [19:16] <@tantek> let me find the FAQ
  134. # [19:18] <Mark87> @tantek, so then is there a difference between <a class="h-card p-name u-url" href="...">Mark87</a> and <a class="h-card" href="...">Mark87</a>?
  135. # [19:18] <@tantek> yes of course
  136. # [19:19] <@tantek> the implied rules are there for cases like that where it doesn't make sense to add the class names explicitly, and you don't want to add more elements
  137. # [19:19] <Mark87> right, but assuming there are no parent microformat objects, the result should be the same?
  138. # [19:20] <Mark87> If my example was embedded for instance under an h-entry object, then it would show up as properties of that h-entry, but assuming there are no parent objects, there would be no difference? Or am I wrong
  139. # [19:20] <@tantek> !tell kylewm I saw you mention earlier in the discussion about pronouns about different property names for different (human) languages - here's why we don't do that: http://microformats.org/wiki/faq#Q:_Why_do_microformats_use_English_terms_for_property_names.3F
  140. # [19:20] <Loqi> Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
  141. # [19:20] <@tantek> Mark87 - no because having the same syntax do two wildly different things makes it less predictable and thus harder to author
  142. # [19:21] <@tantek> and debug etc.
  143. # [19:21] <Mark87> so going back to my example of <div class="h-entry e-content">Hello, world!</div>, my parser should imply the p-name from that example for the h-entry, but ignore the e-content?
  144. # [19:22] <@tantek> right
  145. # [19:22] <@tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-faq#Can_you_mix_properties_and_the_root_class_name
  146. # [19:22] <@tantek> because the e-content is not *inside* any root microformats class name
  147. # [19:22] <Mark87> gotcha. Thanks!
  148. # [19:24] <@tantek> what language are you writing your parser in?
  149. # [19:25] <Mark87> php. I'm aware of the very excellent phpmf2 parser, but im interested in writing my own
  150. # [19:30] <@tantek> excellent! then you'll be able to re-use at least the phpmf2 tests!
  151. # [19:31] <Mark87> indeed! I already have them downloaded
  152. # [19:32] <Loqi> [[faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=faq&diff=64862&oldid=58889&rcid=101238 * Tantek * (+1717) Can you mix properties and the root class name, update how to markup your blog a bit, noting h-feed
  153. # [19:34] <@tantek> Mark87: I added an updated FAQ about this to the top level FAQ (since it has come up a couple of times in the past few months) http://microformats.org/wiki/faq#Can_you_mix_properties_and_the_root_class_name
  154. # [19:34] <@tantek> I hope that makes it more clear
  155. # [19:34] <Mark87> Yes, I was thinking to myself that it was rather hidden under hCard
  156. # [19:35] <Loqi> [[hcard-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcard-faq&diff=64863&oldid=51362&rcid=101239 * Tantek * (+91) /* Can you mix properties and the root class name */ see also the general FAQ answer to the question
  157. # [19:35] <@tantek> Mark87: yes at some point we need to update all the "hcard-faq" to "h-card-faq" and update all the code etc.
  158. # [19:35] <@tantek> but until then, I'll add more general FAQs to the top level document to hopefully make them more findable
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  160. # [19:36] <Loqi> [[hcard-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcard-faq&diff=64864&oldid=64863&rcid=101240 * Tantek * (-25) /* Can you mix properties and the root class name */ wikilink
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  162. # [19:43] <Loqi> [[faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=faq&diff=64865&oldid=64862&rcid=101241 * Tantek * (-25) /* Can you mix properties and the root class name */ wikilink
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