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  1. # Session Start: Thu Mar 19 00:00:01 2015
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  16. # [02:41] <Tigt> Pardon me, I was wondering if I could ask for some advice on using microformats2
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  20. # [03:02] <@tantek> Tigt - go for it - hopefully one of us can help out!
  21. # [03:02] <Tigt> awesome, thank you
  22. # [03:03] <Tigt> I'm scaffolding up a webcomic site where I'm trying some high-concept stuff
  23. # [03:03] <Tigt> mostly, comics-as-markup instead of bitmaps
  24. # [03:03] <Tigt> (bunch of SVG)
  25. # [03:03] <Tigt> and I was curious if microformats can go onto SVG
  26. # [03:03] <Tigt> I figure they do, since it supports the class attribute
  27. # [03:06] <Tigt> it would be inline markup, and the only difficulty I can foresee is it being in a technically different elementNS() and all which might cause parser issues
  28. # [03:08] <@tantek> hmm - I think it should "just" work
  29. # [03:08] <@tantek> microformats can go wherever you have a class attribute :)
  30. # [03:08] <@tantek> if you have an example URL we can try running it through microformats parsers
  31. # [03:09] <Tigt> I'll try that later, I'm very beginning-stages for now
  32. # [03:10] <aaronpk> that would be amazing!
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  34. # [03:11] <Tigt> and secondly, I'm guessing that h-entry would be most suitable
  35. # [03:11] <Tigt> but I just wanted to run that guess by here
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  37. # [03:13] <aaronpk> probably yeah, the whole comic would be an h-entry
  38. # [03:13] <@tantek> Tigt - indeed
  39. # [03:13] <@tantek> we have a few examples of folks publishing comics on the indieweb
  40. # [03:13] <@tantek> http://indiewebcamp.com/comics
  41. # [03:13] <@tantek> (with text fallback and microformats markup)
  42. # [03:13] <Tigt> oh man, I have that bookmarked apparently
  43. # [03:13] <Tigt> that's a pleasant surprise
  44. # [03:14] <Tigt> ah yeah I remember the use of <object>
  45. # [03:14] <Tigt> I tried that for some early comic-accessibility experiments
  46. # [03:17] <Tigt> it seems to work poorly sometimes
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  48. # [03:17] <JonathanNeal> SVGs, Comics? Hello!
  49. # [03:17] <@tantek> Tigt I bet together we can figure out how to make it work well
  50. # [03:18] <Tigt> I couldn't find a lot of information on what browsers /did/ with the object fallback interior
  51. # [03:19] <Tigt> especially not re:accessibility trees
  52. # [03:20] <Tigt> hello Mr. Neal, I didn't know you were into SVG comics
  53. # [03:20] <@tantek> Tigt - works great for microformats parsers!
  54. # [03:21] <Tigt> I guess that's true!
  55. # [03:22] <@tantek> Tigt - which means works great for indie readers too!
  56. # [03:22] <JonathanNeal> Tigt: I happen to be working on a website that’s adding a comic, not in SVG, but it’s a really neat idea to convert it into SVG.
  57. # [03:22] <JonathanNeal> Since it’s black and white and shouldn’t be too difficult.
  58. # [03:23] <Tigt> that would be pretty neat
  59. # [03:23] <JonathanNeal> It’s just a vector format, very suitable for the medium.
  60. # [03:24] <JonathanNeal> And technically, you could group all the pages, hash them, and have the SVG be a readable comic.
  61. # [03:24] <Tigt> I ran a Robbie and Bobby comic through a converter and then tuned it by hand, it ended up being a third the filesize
  62. # [03:24] <JonathanNeal> Almost like a self-contained website.
  63. # [03:24] <JonathanNeal> So, is there a microformats side to this?
  64. # [03:25] <Tigt> (once I gzipped it level 9, anyway)
  65. # [03:25] <Tigt> yeah I was just curious if h-entry was suitable and if SVG was an allowed markup language for microformats
  66. # [03:25] <Tigt> since it uses class it slots in pretty perfectly
  67. # [03:26] <Tigt> having trouble with inserted <meta> tags, but dark data shouldn't be kosher anyway
  68. # [03:27] <Tigt> (the HTML5 parser thinks you forgot your </svg> and autocloses it)
  69. # [03:28] <@tantek> indeed, avoid <meta>
  70. # [03:28] <@tantek> the only good meta is <meta charset="utf-8"/>
  71. # [03:29] <JonathanNeal> And it’s only good for bad reasons.
  72. # [03:29] <@tantek> so true
  73. # [03:30] <Tigt> it does switch back to HTML inside <title>, <desc>, and <foreignObject>, so it's possible in emergencies
  74. # [03:30] <Tigt> but man I don't want to abuse those tags for that
  75. # [03:54] <Tigt> alright, thanks for lending me your ear, I'll send my page through the parsers once it's done and report any issues if they happen
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  84. # [06:32] <tango_> it might even be possible to tag the characters inside the comic with microformats
  85. # [06:32] <tango_> and the text bubbles with p-content
  86. # [06:32] <tango_> and have some automatic comic-to-text
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  93. # [09:03] <ben_thatmustbeme> tango_ there was work on person tagging in photos. That's basically what it is.
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  97. # [09:06] <tango_> ben_thatmustbeme: yah, with the addition of the text bubbles
  98. # [09:07] <tango_> this site http://www.ohnorobot.com/ would love such a feature
  99. # [09:07] <tango_> it could even link to the specific _panel_
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  101. # [09:11] <tango_> so, since my question of lore seems to have gotten lost, I'll reframe it more accurately. we have a website which is handled by jekyll, and I intend to use jekyll-scholar to produce the bibliography page. I wanted it to be properly marked up as bibliography, but all the CSL styles that I see only do standard HTML markup. does anybody know of a CSL style that actually produces microformat-friendly html
  102. # [09:11] <tango_> instead?
  103. # [09:12] <tango_> (or should I try my hand at CSL and see if I can hack it up myself?)
  104. # [09:12] <tango_> (and if so which microformat style should I use? it seems that for these things there is no widespread consensus as for other, at least judging from the wiki)
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  119. # [11:16] <tommorris> tango_: http://microformats.org/wiki/h-cite :)
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  134. # [12:42] <Loqi> [@AllTheTwits] wonders if there's any social site that currently uses hCard for its contacts lists (http://twtr.io/xQMuCkgvqQ)
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  138. # [13:12] <tango_> tommorris: ah, it's not linked from where it should be 8-/ thanks
  139. # [13:27] <tommorris> tango_: feel free to suggest fixes (or just edit the pages in question).
  140. # [13:27] <tango_> tommorris: good point
  141. # [13:28] <tango_> I think I even have an account on the wiki from a few eons ago
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  153. # [15:13] <Loqi> [@satoraxismundi1] hCard Creator http://hcardcreator.com (http://twtr.io/xQaXMehBLY)
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  187. # [18:54] <Loqi> [@glasser] @glasser ... and a JS implementation of a standard nobody cares about (maybe my first JS ever?) https://github.com/glasser/js-hcalendar (http://twtr.io/xQvP468pmf)
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  189. # [19:03] <Loqi> [@TecnoJuega] Corregir Missing required field / hCard en Herramienta de pruebas de datos estructurados http://tecnojuega.com/corregir-missing-required-field-hcard-en-herramienta-de-pruebas-de-datos-estructurados/ (http://twtr.io/xQw9pGWcnj)
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  205. # [20:37] <@tantek> interesting: anyone want to update https://github.com/glasser/js-hcalendar/ to microformats2?
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  210. # [21:12] <willnorris> the mf2 parsing page mentions selectors like "abbr.p-x[title]". If I'm not mistaken, that would also match a title attribute with an empty value, correct? Most of the libraries I've looked at (node, php, py) all check for non-empty attribute values. thoughts on the discrepency?
  211. # [21:14] <@tantek> it does mean to include title attributes with empty values because the assumption is that the author did intend that because putting in an empty title attribute is a deliberate action
  212. # [21:14] <@tantek> we can add that as an FAQ
  213. # [21:14] <willnorris> thanks, that's what I was thinking as well. If there's an empty attribute, it must have been intentional
  214. # [21:18] <@tantek> willnorris: could you add that Q & A to http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-faq#add_another_question_topic_here
  215. # [21:29] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-faq]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-faq&diff=64879&oldid=64285&rcid=101255 * WillNorris * (+288) add question about empty attribute values
  216. # [21:35] <@tantek> willnorris++ thanks!
  217. # [21:35] <Loqi> willnorris has 14 karma
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