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  19. # [03:32] <Loqi> [@AndriaDFC] RT @Dessifunblog: Bollywood Actress Andria DSouza hot photos: .hreview{display:none}Bollywood Actress Andria DSouza hot photos R... http://… (http://twtr.io/y_eVpbbeKU)
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  76. # [16:11] <Loqi> [@TechWars_io] We compared #hcard vs #vcard - see results: http://www.techwars.io/fight/hcard/vcard/ (http://twtr.io/yannn6fTJQ)
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  117. # [21:10] <Loqi> [@t] @nialljthompson @Malarkey @westleyknight @KevinMarks schema-org is overly complex, more effort. #microformats2 simpler (ttk.me t4am3) (http://twtr.io/ybEfSxDN3j)
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  120. # [21:29] <Loqi> [[rdfa]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=rdfa&diff=64905&oldid=64436&rcid=101281 * Tantek * (+47) superseded by microformats2
  121. # [21:32] <Loqi> [[microformats2]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2&diff=64906&oldid=64903&rcid=101282 * Tantek * (+106) replaces and supersedes
  122. # [21:32] <@tantek> KevinMarks (and others), do we need to define classic microformats?
  123. # [21:33] <aaronpk> or "legacy" microformats?
  124. # [21:33] <@tantek> well they still work / supported by Google so they're not quite legacy (yet)
  125. # [21:33] <aaronpk> true
  126. # [21:34] <@tantek> that is, until we know for sure that Google supports *both* classic microformats and microformats2, better to keep advising using both as needed
  127. # [21:34] <@tantek> I'm sending folks here http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2 to get started on microformats2
  128. # [21:34] <aaronpk> i've noticed google is starting to parse more plain HTML
  129. # [21:36] <aaronpk> this is an interesting example, they found the <ul> and also found the <strong> sentence within each <li> https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+become+financially+independent
  130. # [21:37] <Loqi> [@t] @nialljthompson no problem. Here's a good start: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2 http://microformats.org/2014/03/05/getting-started-with-microformats2 (ttk.me t4am4) (http://twtr.io/ybH2EpFh_h)
  131. # [21:37] <aaronpk> oh hey barnaby already referred to it as "classic microformats" in that article
  132. # [21:38] <@tantek> that's a good sign that google is parsing more plain HTML
  133. # [21:38] <@tantek> that means they are likely doing some statistical analysis
  134. # [21:39] <@tantek> which mean as soon as microformats2 publishing / adoption crosses that threshold (whatever it is), they'll parse that too
  135. # [21:39] <@tantek> (they may already be parsing it but not saying anything)
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  141. # [21:49] <KevinMarks_> they have internal tools that do ptatern recognition within sites
  142. # [21:49] <KevinMarks_> effectively reverse engineering out the templates
  143. # [21:49] <KevinMarks_> so those could find mf2
  144. # [21:50] <KevinMarks_> maybe they apply across sites too
  145. # [21:50] <KevinMarks_> I bet knowing bootstraps idioms would get them a lot of structure
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  147. # [22:05] <KevinMarks_> Classic Microformats implies mf2 is New Coke
  148. # [22:07] <@tantek> KevinMarks: I don't think today's webdevs remember / know the reference
  149. # [22:08] <@tantek> that whole thing was a way to transition to cornsyrup wasn't it?
  150. # [22:12] <KevinMarks_> it's the canonical marketing case study that everyone refers to
  151. # [22:14] <KevinMarks_> they did blind user AB testing and found people preferred the sweeter version
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  153. # [22:14] <KevinMarks_> but in fact they were attached to the nostalgia of the flavour in isolation
  154. # [22:18] <@tantek> KevinMarks: I don't think webdevs read marketing case studies ;)
  155. # [22:27] <KevinMarks_> hm, I hadn't thought about ti, but feedparser has a very thorough hcard to vcard implementation with tests in
  156. # [22:27] <KevinMarks_> I should strip that out
  157. # [22:34] <@tantek> into something separable?
  158. # [22:34] <@tantek> like a Python h(-)card to vcard converter?
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  171. # [23:10] <KevinMarks_> yes
  172. # [23:10] <KevinMarks_> because having one in a feed parser is quixotic at best
  173. # [23:10] <KevinMarks_> but Mark made great tests
  174. # [23:12] <@tantek> makes sense
  175. # [23:12] <@tantek> a separate library would be very cool
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