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# Session Start: Fri May 08 00:00:01 2015
# Session Ident: #microformats
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# [02:20] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-brainstorming]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-brainstorming&diff=64950&oldid=64934&rcid=101326 * TomMorris * (+47) adding MIME type
# [02:24] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-brainstorming&diff=64951&oldid=64950&rcid=101327 * TomMorris * (+494) use cases plz
# [02:27] <@tantek> tommorris: right at the top: "Use case: IndieWeb "deleted" indication inline in content for static file services that don't support HTTP return codes. "
# [02:29] <tommorris> yeah, but why just the http-equivs. you'd need to have both to discern anything useful
# [02:29] <tommorris> I'm just not sure why you'd want one but not the other
# [02:30] <tommorris> meta http-equiv is there for when you can't set headers. but headers are still sent - the meta http-equiv just overrides them in the document
# [02:30] <tommorris> getting the overrides without the values they are overriding is a bit weird
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# [02:37] <@tantek> tommorris: re: "when you can't set headers" - exactly: "static file services that don't support HTTP return codes"
# [02:38] <@tantek> re: "you'd need to have both to discern anything useful" - not true - and certainly not true in this specific use-case where you do check for a 410 status code first, and then go parse the file.
# [02:38] <@tantek> point is to *not* have to *separately* parse for http equiv status code 410, but be able to just always run the microformats parser on the HTML and do *zero* parsing in your own code
# [02:39] <@tantek> re: "why you'd want one but not the other" - because this use-case is in the context of already having gotten the headers via curl
# [02:40] <tommorris> but in the context of building the library, if I have access to both why not merge the two and return a combined dictionary of both headers and meta http-equivs
# [02:40] <tommorris> difference between...
# [02:41] <tommorris> A: MUST return http-equiv only
# [02:41] <tommorris> and
# [02:41] <@tantek> because it's extra work for the library
# [02:41] <tommorris> B: MUST return http-equiv only and MAY return other headers parsed from the response and combine them together
# [02:41] <@tantek> and people already have header parsing / handling code
# [02:41] <@tantek> A is the minimum viable feature to satisfy the use-case - that's why
# [02:43] <tommorris> should a microformats parser do anything with any of the other headers? behave like a proper HTTP user agent perhaps?
# [02:44] <tommorris> if we're handling headers (and meta http-equiv are basically headers), we should probably follow what the headers tell us to do broadly in the same way browsers do
# [02:46] <@tantek> again - no need for the mvp for the use-case
# [02:46] <@tantek> less code = less chance of introducing bugs
# [02:47] <@tantek> a microformats parser may just get a URL (context) and a string of the curled data - e.g. that's how phpmf2 works now
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# [11:38] <Loqi> [[rel-author-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=rel-author-fr&diff=64952&oldid=64217&rcid=101328 * Justgerrardz * (+8)
# [11:39] <Loqi> [[process-fr]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=process-fr&diff=64953&oldid=64245&rcid=101329 * Justgerrardz * (+232) /* En rapport */
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