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  1. # Session Start: Mon May 11 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #microformats
  3. # [00:01] <kylewm> it's hard to say, we don't really know how people are going to use the "value" property yet
  4. # [00:01] <@tantek> that's not true - aaronpk finally figured out that's what he needed to be using (instead of writing hacks) - though I forgot the precise use-case
  5. # [00:02] <kylewm> right, the precise use-case is webmentions, you get "in-reply-to" and expect it to be a list of strings
  6. # [00:02] <kylewm> but it turns out to be a list of objects
  7. # [00:02] <kylewm> and you can just grab the "value" property of the object
  8. # [00:02] <@tantek> that would seem to imply that flatter is better
  9. # [00:03] <kylewm> so if you get a "content", expect it to be a list of objects with "html" and "value" and instead get a list of objects with arbitrary properties + value
  10. # [00:04] <kylewm> in the flatter case, you might use the object not even realizing it's an h-card
  11. # [00:04] <kylewm> depends if that is desireable
  12. # [00:04] <kylewm> so i guess that's the use-case i think we need to understand -- when would you want "e-* h-*"
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  14. # [00:07] <@tantek> that's a good question - I can't think of any off the top of my head
  15. # [00:13] <@tantek> hmm - perhaps that webmentions "in-reply-to" use-case is why we decided that "u-in-reply-to h-cite" made more sense? and then the rule about the value of a u-* property with a nested object coming from the u-url of that nested object?
  16. # [00:13] <@tantek> really hoping we wrote that down
  17. # [00:13] <@tantek> I do remember discussing it and figuring it out - but not sure if IRC or at the microformats dev meetup
  18. # [00:17] <@tantek> found it - thanks again to you kylewm for bringing this up: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-brainstorming#Nested_h-.2A_objects.27_.22value.22_property
  19. # [00:19] <@tantek> kylewm: see example expected result here: https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/issues/64#issuecomment-100676442
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  21. # [00:20] <@tantek> re: "depends if that is desireable" - I think the answer is yes, it is.
  22. # [00:21] <@tantek> thus for an "e-content", you get a list of objects with "html" and "value", and if one of them has nested microformats, then that object also has "type" and "properties" for that nested object.
  23. # [00:21] <@tantek> seems like a pretty smooth enhancement for the nested object case, without disturbing those clients that are just looking at objects with "html" and "value"
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  26. # [00:29] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing&diff=64955&oldid=64926&rcid=101331 * Tantek * (+118) /* parse an element for class microformats */ make it explicit that e-* h-* re-uses the e-* { value:"" } structure (insetad of creating another level of { } structure) - per question/point from kylewm
  27. # [00:29] <@tantek> kylewm: made it explicit since your interpretation http://logs.glob.uno/?c=freenode%23microformats&s=10+May+2015&e=10+May+2015#c79315 was possible - but unintended (by the spec)
  28. # [00:29] <@tantek> since only one (new) parser supports this at all - this is likely ok
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  32. # [01:04] <Loqi> [[microformats2]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2&diff=64956&oldid=64906&rcid=101332 * Tantek * (+51) /* Python */ another text area unmung
  33. # [01:19] <Loqi> [[microformats2]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2&diff=64957&oldid=64956&rcid=101333 * Kylewm * (+57) /* Python */ add another live parser
  34. # [01:20] <@tantek> thanks kylewm
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  74. # [05:44] <@tantek> !tell termie you're with @wercker right? take a look at this? https://twitter.com/andy_leap/status/597602193643036672
  75. # [05:44] <Loqi> Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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  78. # [06:37] <Loqi> [[microformats2]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2&diff=64958&oldid=64957&rcid=101334 * Tantek * (+182) /* Parsers */ Vendan built and deployed microformats2 parser in golang in <24 hrs.
  79. # [06:37] <Vendan> well, it's not complete, but it's a start
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  81. # [06:42] <@tantek> Vendan - still, pretty impressive for <24hrs
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  84. # [07:38] <Loqi> [@camwth] CCANEL IM CRYAIGNNSO HCARD MY CAM CFELS FOSL (http://twtr.io/zJAgvK0zoG)
  85. # [07:39] <Loqi> [@Druggedonjacob] RT @camwth: CCANEL IM CRYAIGNNSO HCARD MY CAM CFELS FOSL (http://twtr.io/zJAho66jcN)
  86. # [07:39] <@tantek> wat
  87. # [07:40] <@tantek> !block camwth
  88. # [07:40] <Loqi> Got it! There are now 267 spammers blacklisted
  89. # [07:40] <@tantek> !block Druggedonjacob
  90. # [07:40] <Loqi> Got it! There are now 268 spammers blacklisted
  91. # [07:40] <@tantek> makes me wonder how much of Twitter is such gibberish likely fake accounts
  92. # [08:01] <Loqi> [@t] just like that (<24h) Andy Leap wrote+deployed a great start on a #golang #microformats2 parser http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#Go (ttk.me t4b55) (http://twtr.io/zJCm3j2u4o)
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  112. # [11:39] <Loqi> [@microformats] RT @t: just like that (<24h) Andy Leap wrote+deployed a great start on a #golang #microformats2 parser http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#Go (ttk.me t4b55) (http://twtr.io/zJYJycv4KC)
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  145. # [14:55] <Vendan> woo, rel parsing is working now! Working my way through the spec
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  172. # [18:20] <Loqi> [@goligisbert264] Ten years.ago, I hcard someone mispronounce The Nutcracker as The Nutcrapper and I've been laughing ever since. (http://twtr.io/zK8R87LZzU)
  173. # [18:33] <ben_thatmustbeme> heh. interesting typo
  174. # [18:34] <@tantek> tried so hard not to commet on that. lol
  175. # [18:34] <@tantek> comment event
  176. # [18:34] <@tantek> even
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  197. # [20:15] <Loqi> [@ang31pink15] Subdued the current archwitch "SANDY"! http://hcard.info #Valkyrie Crusade (http://twtr.io/zKJd6c5D69)
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  210. # [21:08] <Loqi> [[h-feed]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=h-feed&diff=64959&oldid=64769&rcid=101335 * Tantek * (+79) make use-cases clear in summary dfn, simplify dfn to be more readable
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  251. # [23:59] <Loqi> [@CTGEducation] The California African American Museum celebrates Children's Literacy on Saturday, May 23. Come out at 11am to... http://www.caamuseum.org/hcalendar/?eID=5992 (http://twtr.io/zKcvLD9c42)
  252. # [23:59] <Loqi> [@CTGEducation] The California African American Museum celebrates Children's Literacy on Saturday, May 23. Come out at 11am to... http://www.caamuseum.org/hcalendar/?eID=5992 (http://twtr.io/zKcnSwVU6Q)
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