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  1. # Session Start: Sat Jun 06 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #microformats
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  12. # [01:12] <KevinMarks> tantek did you see the h-resume issue wiht hoisting name?
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  14. # [01:39] <@tantek> I did not
  15. # [01:39] <Loqi> tantek: KevinMarks left you a message on 6/4 at 5:30pm: do we want hoisting of values for experience in h-resume?
  16. # [01:47] <KevinMarks> let me find the tiemstamp
  17. # [01:47] <KevinMarks> oh thats easy it was just after midnight http://logs.glob.uno/?c=freenode%23microformats&s=today
  18. # [01:48] <KevinMarks> also, looking at legacy parsing of hevent I think we want both summary and name in mf2 terms to reflect the summary in mf1
  19. # [01:49] <KevinMarks> as mf1 didn't have a name
  20. # [01:55] <@tantek> that's not legacy parsing
  21. # [01:55] <@tantek> mf1 vevent the "summary" *was* the name, never a summary.
  22. # [01:55] <@tantek> so to pollute both would be an error
  23. # [01:56] <@tantek> in general we don't want hoisting. is there a specific use-case that makes it look like it's needed?
  24. # [01:57] <@tantek> KevinMarks: arguing from abstract test case is a VERY poor methodology for changing a spec
  25. # [01:57] <@tantek> it's not real world
  26. # [01:57] <@tantek> if anything it indicates a bad test case
  27. # [01:57] <@tantek> now if there's a real world example that's illustrating a problem, that's worthy of looking at
  28. # [01:58] <@tantek> e.g. do you have an h-resume yourself?
  29. # [01:58] <@tantek> that is, we should probably just drop https://github.com/microformats/tests/blob/master/tests/microformats-v2/h-resume/work.json from the test suite
  30. # [02:01] <KevinMarks> ohm so the test transforming summary ti name was correct?
  31. # [02:02] <KevinMarks> OK, I'll change the parser and revret my yest change
  32. # [02:03] <KevinMarks> s/yest/test/
  33. # [02:03] <Loqi> KevinMarks meant to say: OK, I'll change the parser and revret my test change
  34. # [02:03] <@tantek> vevent summary -> h-event p-name
  35. # [02:03] <@tantek> pretty sure that's in the spec
  36. # [02:03] <@tantek> yes it is http://microformats.org/wiki/h-event#Parser_Compatibility
  37. # [02:03] <KevinMarks> ah, OK
  38. # [02:09] <KevinMarks> so the h-resume issue is that the new rule that the name becomes the value is stomping the old concatenated value
  39. # [02:09] <KevinMarks> and that coudl go weitehr way really
  40. # [02:10] <@tantek> probably need to look at some actual classic hResume in the wild to come up with a more specific proposal
  41. # [02:11] <KevinMarks> similarly https://github.com/kevinmarks/tests/blob/master/tests/microformats-v1/hcalendar/combining.json
  42. # [02:12] <KevinMarks> the value of location would now be "Geoloqi" from the name of the h-card
  43. # [02:12] <KevinMarks> is that better?
  44. # [02:12] <@tantek> looking
  45. # [02:13] <@tantek> wait - are you implementing kylewm's proposal? microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-brainstorming#Nested_h-.2A_objects.27_.22value.22_property
  46. # [02:14] <@tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-brainstorming#Nested_h-.2A_objects.27_.22value.22_property
  47. # [02:15] <KevinMarks> kyle did implemnt it yes
  48. # [02:15] <KevinMarks> so I got ti when I updated
  49. # [02:16] <KevinMarks> now I'm looking at test regressions
  50. # [02:18] <@tantek> well that's my bad with being behind on incorporating into spec then - since we have consensus on that proposal (AFAIK) + one real world implementation
  51. # [02:28] <KevinMarks> also doing leading/trailing space stripping on name now
  52. # [02:28] <KevinMarks> which does help, but i think collapsing space runs within woudl also be good
  53. # [02:30] <KevinMarks> hm, the various ways of hiding properties in geo are going to be more work
  54. # [02:31] <@tantek> "think … would also be good" is not the way to reason about it at this point - because it's easy to come up with such arguments either way
  55. # [02:31] <@tantek> geo itself is likely unnecessary now that we flattened its properties out
  56. # [02:31] <KevinMarks> abbr, value-title,
  57. # [02:32] <KevinMarks> right, this is backcompat parsing
  58. # [02:32] <@tantek> "hiding properties in geo" is not a use-case - it's plumbing, a means to an ends for an actual use-case. so ask yourself, what is that actual use-case, and (re)start from there
  59. # [02:32] <KevinMarks> I'm going through the mf1 test cases
  60. # [02:33] <@tantek> at this point, you really should question them unless they cite a real world URL from which they were derived.
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  62. # [02:36] <KevinMarks> that may be a useful separate effort
  63. # [02:36] <@tantek> questioning is always useful in such ways
  64. # [02:37] <@tantek> I'm saying rather than using test case oddness to suggest spec changes, you should question the test case in the first place
  65. # [02:37] <@tantek> unless the test case cites a real world example
  66. # [02:38] <@tantek> ok I've got microformats2-parsing open in an editable state (as well as -issues and -brainstorming) - going offline for a while to see if I can make all edits for the issues/brainstorming that have consensus and 1+ real world implementation
  67. # [02:38] <@tantek> back in a couple hours or so.
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  69. # [04:15] <KevinMarks> hm. find bug in testharness that stops when a test file has invalid json
  70. # [04:15] <KevinMarks> suddenly more tests fail
  71. # [04:16] <KevinMarks> on the other had I fixed a lot of tests
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  74. # [05:36] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing&diff=65041&oldid=65023&rcid=101418 * Tantek * (-120) incorporate resolved issues: deduping of rels and include alternates in rels
  75. # [05:43] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-issues&diff=65042&oldid=65038&rcid=101419 * Tantek * (+1624) resolved deduping of rels and include alternates in rels, incorporated into [[microformats2-parsing]], split drop alternates to new issue
  76. # [05:44] <@tantek> KevinMarks ^^^
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  78. # [05:46] <KevinMarks> aha, so you first to win for type etc as well as text
  79. # [05:46] <KevinMarks> I'd suggest putting the rel-urls clause above the alternate one
  80. # [05:47] <KevinMarks> it's clearer wihtout that if in the middle
  81. # [05:47] <KevinMarks> in practice the rels and rel-urls goes on together
  82. # [05:48] <KevinMarks> https://github.com/kevinmarks/mf2py/blob/master/mf2py/parser.py#L273
  83. # [05:49] <KevinMarks> in particular it easier to keep the rels->urls and urls->rels mapping if you do it one loop like https://github.com/kevinmarks/mf2py/blob/master/mf2py/parser.py#L286
  84. # [05:50] <KevinMarks> !tell tantek read feedback above
  85. # [05:50] <Loqi> Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
  86. # [05:54] <kylewm> KevinMarks: that thing with parse errors stopping the test cases is annoying, i fixed a bunch of them in this PR https://github.com/microformats/tests/pull/23
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  93. # [07:21] <@KevinMarks___> I think I fixed them all in mine
  94. # [07:22] <@KevinMarks___> Then I merged your unicode stuff and made that a yielding test and now I have 200+ fails
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  113. # [08:43] <@tantek> hey Loqi
  114. # [08:43] <Loqi> tantek: KevinMarks left you a message 2 hours, 52 minutes ago: read feedback above
  115. # [08:44] <@tantek> KevinMarks yes good suggestion
  116. # [08:48] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing&diff=65043&oldid=65041&rcid=101420 * Tantek * (+0) move now at-risk alternates part of algorithm to end to keep rels and rel-urls creating together per feedback from KevinMarks. change helps clarity without changing functionality
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  122. # [09:35] <Loqi> [@SplashCopy] Are microformats the most underrated #SEO tool at your disposal? https://www.splashcopywriters.co.uk/blog/microformats-are-they-the-most-underrated-seo-weapon-of-all-time.html (http://twtr.io/10ESiY1XrPj)
  123. # [09:50] <KevinMarks> you can refactor that algorithm to be clearer
  124. # [09:52] <KevinMarks> do the rel-urls stuff first
  125. # [09:52] <KevinMarks> then iterate the rels adding url to the top-level rels and rel to the rel-urls[url][rels] inside the loop
  126. # [09:52] <KevinMarks> that makes the bidirectionla mapping more explicit
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  136. # [15:35] <Loqi> [@AllTheTwits] is guessing that Jeremy's article is about Microformats :D (http://twtr.io/10EzB1NsVDb)
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  144. # [18:25] <Loqi> [@hmans] @hirsebirse Wir haben uns über Microformats2 vs. Microdata gestritten und wurden damit Sujet eines Talks (ich übertreibe.) (http://twtr.io/10FEVEspZHs)
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  152. # [19:14] <@tantek> !tell KevinMarks, kylewm ok I think I've incorporated all the resolved microformats2-parsing issues/brainstorms that you guys have implemented in at least one parser. Now need your implementation attempts at items "Status: resolved" here at top of http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues
  153. # [19:14] <Loqi> Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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  157. # [19:27] <@KevinMarks_> We do parse link in mf2py - currently we are ending up with an empty text in rel-urls. Should that be omitted?
  158. # [19:27] <Loqi> KevinMarks_: tantek left you a message 12 minutes ago: ok I think I've incorporated all the resolved microformats2-parsing issues/brainstorms that you guys have implemented in at least one parser. Now need your implementation attempts at items "Status: resolved" here at top of http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues
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  162. # [19:43] <KevinMarks> eg: http://www.unmung.com/?html=%3Cbase+href%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fexample.com%22%3E%0D%0A%3Clink+rel%3D%22updates+alternate%22+type%3D%22application%2Fatom%2Bxml%22+href%3D%22updates.atom%22+%2F%3E&pretty=on
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  164. # [19:43] <KevinMarks> should we omit 'text' for a self-closing link?
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  178. # [21:04] <KevinMarks> grrr something is turning the whole output into ascii instead of uicode
  179. # [21:04] <KevinMarks> s/uicode/unicode/
  180. # [21:04] <Loqi> KevinMarks meant to say: grrr something is turning the whole output into ascii instead of unicode
  181. # [21:14] <KevinMarks> somethign being me passing the json instead of the dict to the cehck code
  182. # [21:14] <KevinMarks> o_O
  183. # [21:20] <KevinMarks> hm, so I may have overdone the 'make evrything unicode' then
  184. # [21:21] <KevinMarks> does from __future__ import unicode_literals make all literal strings unicode?
  185. # [21:41] <KevinMarks> yes it does
  186. # [21:41] <KevinMarks> well that makes a load of changes unnecessary
  187. # [21:41] <KevinMarks> note to self: check tests are failing for the reason you think they are before changing lots of code
  188. # [21:45] <KevinMarks> I did a pull request mainly to get the travis tests run
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  199. # [23:21] <KevinMarks> and the travis tests fail because we don't pass all the core microformats tests yet.
  200. # [23:22] <KevinMarks> I'm going to have to do a branch, aren't I
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  202. # [23:33] <kylewm> KevinMarks: the way I approached it was to put --exclude in the .travis.yml config
  203. # [23:33] <Loqi> kylewm: tantek left you a message 4 hours, 19 minutes ago: ok I think I've incorporated all the resolved microformats2-parsing issues/brainstorms that you guys have implemented in at least one parser. Now need your implementation attempts at items "Status: resolved" here at top of http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues
  204. # [23:34] <kylewm> cause IMO there's not much point in having travis run a bunch of tests we know will fail
  205. # [23:34] <kylewm> https://github.com/kylewm/mf2py/blob/test-suite/.travis.yml
  206. # [23:35] <kylewm> I also put the test harness in its own file: https://github.com/kylewm/mf2py/blob/test-suite/test/test_suite.py
  207. # [23:38] <KevinMarks> I made it call your unicode test thing as a yield so you get a line per failure
  208. # [23:38] <KevinMarks> https://github.com/kevinmarks/mf2py/blob/master/test/test_parser.py#L418
  209. # [23:39] <KevinMarks> and added it into the otehr test harness too
  210. # [23:40] <KevinMarks> ah, I see
  211. # [23:41] <KevinMarks> maybe we should reorganise the mf tests so that the solid ones are separated from the volatile ones
  212. # [23:42] <KevinMarks> could you then exclude the subfolders that are flaky
  213. # [23:44] * Quits: Left_Turn (~Left_Turn@unaffiliated/turn-left/x-3739067) (Remote host closed the connection)
  214. # [23:46] <KevinMarks> and by merging your test fix I now have conflicts in mine
  215. # [23:47] <KevinMarks> derp
  216. # [23:57] <KevinMarks> OK, if you want to review my changes to https://github.com/microformats/tests/pull/24 have a look
  217. # Session Close: Sun Jun 07 00:00:00 2015

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