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  1. # Session Start: Sat Jun 20 00:00:01 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #microformats
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  13. # [01:18] <Loqi> [[payment-method-examples]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=payment-method-examples&diff=65071&oldid=65070&rcid=101448 * TomMorris * (-1) syntax error
  14. # [01:25] <tommorris> incidentally, if one wished to represent payment methods in microformats2, how to do that...?
  15. # [01:26] <tommorris> <ul><li class="p-x-payment-method">Visa</li><li class="p-x-payment-method">American Express</li>...</ul>?
  16. # [01:28] <@tantek> I suppose - I mean I guess I'd ask what's the use-case for consuming code?
  17. # [01:30] <@tantek> maybe even start with documenting that on microformats.org/wiki/payment-method
  18. # [01:40] <Loqi> [@pezholio_ebooks] Embargoed until midnight tonight. The plot seems to be allowed to get to use the hReview microformat on : Yup, it's mad (http://twtr.io/10iwXfq9jfY)
  19. # [01:42] <aaronpk> hahaha
  20. # [01:43] <@tantek> wat
  21. # [01:52] <aaronpk> the microformats stickers came :)
  22. # [01:54] <@tantek> yay!
  23. # [01:54] * Loqi does a happy dance!
  24. # [01:55] <@tantek> hand them out at OSBridge - you're speaking right?
  25. # [01:57] <aaronpk> good idea! yep! giving a talk about Micropub!
  26. # [01:57] <aaronpk> so that's appropriate
  27. # [01:57] <@tantek> heh nice
  28. # [01:57] <@tantek> time for micropub to get a complementary logo!
  29. # [01:57] <aaronpk> HMMMMmmm
  30. # [01:58] <@tantek> microformats for data, micropub for protocol
  31. # [02:03] <tommorris> suggesting that mf2py signs the Contributor Covenant, which is basically a code-of-conduct but for OSS. thoughts welcome. https://github.com/tommorris/mf2py/issues/47
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  35. # [02:14] <DanC_> Ugh! all these music metadata formats are such a pain! where is hAudio support?!?!?!
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  37. # [02:17] <@tantek> DanC - hAudio was overdone and too complex itself - it itself was too much of a pain for publishers like last.fm
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  41. # [02:27] <DanC_> yeah; the complexity tar pit is pretty tough to avoid
  42. # [02:27] <DanC_> but you'd think some tools would grok CSV anyway
  43. # [02:28] <DanC_> I suppose m3u is a degenerate CSV
  44. # [02:28] <@tantek> the complexity tar pit is so hard to avoid that rare are the simple solutions
  45. # [02:30] * DanC_ wishes for a time machine to go back to when CDs were invented and get UUIDs on every disc and every track
  46. # [02:31] <DanC_> disc release, that is
  47. # [02:31] <@tantek> heh
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  55. # [04:30] <DanC_> I'm working on an app to make old iTunes playlists handy on mobile etc. current strategy is via google music
  56. # [04:30] <DanC_> I've got a web interface to my iTunes data
  57. # [04:30] <DanC_> I started it in python; parts of it are migrating to javascript. I should probably just build the whole thing in javascript
  58. # [04:31] <DanC_> javascript with flow and flycheck mode rocks
  59. # [04:41] <@tantek> DanC, you might find that KevinMarks is also interested in making old iTunes playlists portable
  60. # [04:41] <@tantek> and he likes python too :)
  61. # [04:42] <DanC_> fwiw: https://bitbucket.org/DanC/palmagent/src/tip/jukekb/?at=default
  62. # [04:43] <DanC_> README needs work
  63. # [04:56] <aaronpk> why can an h-card have street-address, locality, region, etc on it when it might also have an embedded h-adr that could have the same properties?
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  66. # [05:11] <@tantek> aaronpk - other way around
  67. # [05:11] <@tantek> because the common case is that an h-card has *one* (at most) address information, it was flattened
  68. # [05:11] <@tantek> the more common case was made easier
  69. # [05:11] <@tantek> flatter is better
  70. # [05:12] <DanC_> it's better for the author, who gets priority. it's harder for the parser, who now has 2 places to look
  71. # [05:13] <@tantek> it's choosing to allow a more limited but simpler model for the *common* case, rather than making the common case complex for the sake of "consistency" with the complex case.
  72. # [05:14] <aaronpk> luckily in my case I am both the publisher and consumer since i'm using this as an internal storage mechanism :)
  73. # [05:14] <@tantek> usually devs/programmers make the opposite decision, that is, they argue all about all the complex/edge cases, and expand/distort/generalize their solution until it covers both common cases and all those edge cases, typically resulting in something incredibly unnecessarily complex for the common case
  74. # [05:14] <DanC_> yup
  75. # [05:15] <@tantek> and when asked why, the answer is always, because you might want to x (edge case / complex case)
  76. # [05:15] <aaronpk> interestingly, this means that if I know the "location" property is either an h-card or an h-adr, I know I can always find a property called "locality" there
  77. # [05:15] <@tantek> correct
  78. # [05:15] <@tantek> the interesting side effect is that for common consuming code cases, things get simplified too
  79. # [05:15] <aaronpk> which actually then results in simpler consuming code
  80. # [05:15] <DanC_> if I had a nickel for every piece of open source software that said "you can configure it to do anything you want!" before explaining how to do the 3 most typical things...
  81. # [05:15] <@tantek> :)
  82. # [05:16] <aaronpk> DanC_: lol yeah. at this point when i hear "it can do everything" I interpret that as "it doesn't actually do anything without a lot of extra work"
  83. # [05:17] <DanC_> look at this pile of silicon! you can fabricate it into chips that can compute anything you want!
  84. # [05:17] <DanC_> ;-)
  85. # [05:17] <aaronpk> i wish that was not such a sarcastic reply because i would use that all the time
  86. # [05:20] <@tantek> I kind of want to carry a small packet of sand to hand to people
  87. # [05:21] <aaronpk> oh jeez
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  90. # [05:30] <@KevinMarks_> Hashing CD into unique id is gracenote's model
  91. # [05:30] <Loqi> KevinMarks_: kylewm left you a message on 6/16 at 9:20pm: is there a reason the spec only makes urls absolute in the top half of this list? http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parsing_a_u-_property
  92. # [05:30] <Loqi> KevinMarks_: kylewm left you a message 2 days, 12 hours ago: nm I found the FAQ answer http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-faq#normalizing_u-.2A_property_values
  93. # [05:53] <DanC_> woot! after chasing metadata rabbits down irrelevant holes for several days, I got my first practical use case working.
  94. # [05:53] * Loqi giggles
  95. # [05:55] <DanC_> I guess cddb and freedb didn't hash the whole contents of the CD cuz they wanted to show metadata right when you insert the CD
  96. # [05:56] <DanC_> playlist BBF10DBC3BA3520D from a road trip in Aug 2005 is now available via google music. Except for the 1st two songs which are trapped by DRM
  97. # [05:58] <@tantek> neat DanC! nice hearing about your progress.
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  99. # [06:01] <DanC_> hmm... google music matched one of these songs with a remix. :-/
  100. # [06:01] <DanC_> maybe not...
  101. # [06:21] <DanC_> yup. definitely.
  102. # [06:21] <DanC_> hmm... recognition that songs are already uploaded isn't working as well as I'd like.
  103. # [06:28] <DanC_> I didn't parallelize this for instant gratification... it's uploading all the songs in a playlist, then creating the playlist, then adding them.
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  115. # [07:43] <DanC_> I think I miss-tagged some of my tracks and it's throwing google music off. I'm wiping all the tags. Whee!
  116. # [07:43] <DanC_> quodlibet is quite nice
  117. # [07:44] <DanC_> now to reload from old iTunes metadata...
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  173. # [17:44] <DanC_> ok... my quodlibet plugin to restore tags from iTunes works. fun fun!
  174. # [17:48] <DanC_> 77bc33f27bf9 tip
  175. # [17:48] <DanC_> make ituneslib.fixit into a working quodlibet plugin
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  183. # [20:42] * DanC_ finds an inventory of 83 CDs with barcodes in mail from 2008
  184. # [20:44] <DanC_> grr... the blog is down. http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/228
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  186. # [20:44] <DanC_> "Unable to connect to database server"
  187. # [20:45] * DanC_ verifies that he has an export of his work there...
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  192. # [20:48] <DanC_> interesting... my backup is evidently python pickles of XMLRPC responses from the API of that CMS (drupal?)
  193. # [20:48] <DanC_> >>> x['dateCreated']
  194. # [20:48] <DanC_> <DateTime '20080306T17:00:05' at 7f20e8aef5f0>
  195. # [20:49] <DanC_> >>> x['dateCreated'].__class__
  196. # [20:49] <DanC_> <class xmlrpclib.DateTime at 0x7f20e444eef0>
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  201. # [20:52] <DanC_> this is good motivation to migrate those to madmode.com ... but my closet librarian budget is already exhausted
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