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  1. # Session Start: Fri Jul 03 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #microformats
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  6. # [00:08] <Loqi> [@microformats] Thanks @joshuagay for making rel=jslicense happen! http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-jslicense use it to link from HTML to license for scripts (http://twtr.io/11Br5xStMGo)
  7. # [00:11] <Loqi> [@wbwdt] RT @microformats: Thanks @joshuagay for making rel=jslicense happen! http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-jslicense use it to link from HTML to license for scripts (http://twtr.io/11BrQKEknaU)
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  11. # [01:00] <Loqi> [@pinceladasdaweb] RT @microformats: Thanks @joshuagay for making rel=jslicense happen! http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-jslicense use it to link from HTML to license for scripts (http://twtr.io/11BvmuBrAdw)
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  14. # [01:07] <Loqi> [@Marketer_UK] RT @microformats: Thanks @joshuagay for making rel=jslicense happen! http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-jslicense use it to link from HTML to license for scripts (http://twtr.io/11BwPg3326w)
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  16. # [01:21] <@tantek> really confused by who is retweeting this
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  27. # [02:34] <kylewm> KevinMarks: I think I fixed the mf2j issue you mentioned with implied properties not being put into lists: http://mf2j.herokuapp.com/?url=https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38780898/radioseries.html
  28. # [02:34] <kylewm> thanks for pointing that out
  29. # [02:34] <KevinMarks> that looks better
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  31. # [02:41] <Loqi> [@dgmike] Michael Granados ~ Diário is out! http://paper.li/dgmike?edition_id=3e8e4420-211c-11e5-822d-0cc47a0d15fd Stories via @microformats @dailyjs (http://twtr.io/11C4toXDQUo)
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  34. # [02:51] <Loqi> [@AllTheTwits] tea #4: and the Microformats cheat-sheet. (http://twtr.io/11C5p32QBNj)
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  40. # [03:20] <KevinMarks> wait, what? http://www.w3.org/TR/json-ld/#microformats
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  42. # [03:25] <@tantek> lol
  43. # [03:25] <@tantek> amazing how much bigger it is?
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  59. # [03:45] -ChanServ- [#microformats] Welcome to #microformats. Logs at http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats
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  109. # [11:39] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-issues&diff=65102&oldid=65051&rcid=101483 * GlennJones * (+2307) Empty properties overridden by implied rules against user expectation
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  148. # [16:40] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-issues&diff=65103&oldid=65102&rcid=101484 * Kylewm * (+772) /* Empty properties overridden by implied rules against user expectation */
  149. # [16:40] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-issues]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-issues&diff=65104&oldid=65103&rcid=101485 * Kylewm * (+0) /* Empty properties overridden by implied rules against user expectation */
  150. # [16:42] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-issues&diff=65105&oldid=65104&rcid=101486 * Kylewm * (+37) /* Empty properties overridden by implied rules against user expectation */
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  154. # [17:03] <Loqi> [@jcemer] Antes de sair usando [rel] para tudo, favor ler o que segue http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values (http://twtr.io/11DNMzmi8J8)
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  168. # [18:15] <Loqi> [@wpulsarblog] Author hReview Plugin Review - #WordPress #wp http://www.wpulsar.com/author-hreview-plugin/ (http://twtr.io/11DUpA0Xs28)
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  172. # [19:16] <@tantek> good morning #microformats!
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  175. # [19:47] <@tantek> kylewm: it looks like webdatacommons is using the "any23" extractor from Apache, per https://www.assembla.com/code/commondata/subversion/nodes/244/Extractor/trunk/extractor/src/main/java/org/webdatacommons/extractor/IgnorantHcardExtractorFactory.java
  176. # [19:48] <@tantek> I thought there was an open issue on any23 to parse microformats2 but I can't seem to find it now
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  178. # [19:50] <csarven> tantek My IRC client linkifies "#microformats!" as one term.
  179. # [19:50] <@tantek> csarven: channel names can have ! in them?
  180. # [19:50] <csarven> I tend to leave all punctuation a space away from the hashtags as to keep general consistency.
  181. # [19:51] <csarven> Good point.
  182. # [19:51] <csarven> Unless you mean #microformats! and not #microformats ;)
  183. # [19:51] <csarven> s/mean/intended
  184. # [19:51] <Loqi> csarven meant to say: Unless you intended #microformats! and not #microformats ;)
  185. # [19:51] <@tantek> those are linkified the same in my IRC client (Colloqu)
  186. # [19:51] <@tantek> s/Colloqu/Colloquy
  187. # [19:51] <Loqi> tantek meant to say: those are linkified the same in my IRC client (Colloquy)
  188. # [19:51] * csarven is using Chatzilla these weeks.
  189. # [19:52] <csarven> Never satisfied with IRC clients and text/code editors.
  190. # [19:52] <@tantek> if Chatzilla is including the ! in the channel name to link to the it is likely a bug - perhaps report it?
  191. # [19:52] <@tantek> s/the it/then it
  192. # [19:52] <Loqi> tantek meant to say: if Chatzilla is including the ! in the channel name to link to then it is likely a bug - perhaps report it?
  193. # [19:52] <csarven> I don't think it is a bug because as you said, ! is allowed for channel names. Just tested with #m!
  194. # [19:53] <@tantek> oh right!
  195. # [19:54] <@tantek> ok well then that settles it - space before the ! in such cases :)
  196. # [19:55] <csarven> FYI, I never really had good luck with any23. Found it slow as well.
  197. # [19:56] <@tantek> csarven: it seems to be what the webdatacommons folks use however for their analysis of commoncrawl corpuses (corpii?)
  198. # [19:56] <@tantek> oh dear it's on Google Code: https://code.google.com/p/any23/issues/list
  199. # [19:56] <csarven> Possibly, can't recall. Let me find their last paper
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  202. # [19:57] <csarven> http://data.dws.informatik.uni-mannheim.de/lodcloud/2014/ is a good starting point.
  203. # [19:58] <@tantek> ah it's moved from Google Code to Apache SVN: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/any23/
  204. # [19:58] <csarven> "Approximately 519 thousand websites use RDFa, while only 140 thousand websites
  205. # [19:58] <csarven> use Microdata. Microformats are used on 1.7 million websites. It is interesting to see
  206. # [19:58] <csarven> that Microformats are used by approximately 2.5 times as many websites as RDFa
  207. # [19:58] <csarven> and Microdata together, despite of the usage of RDFa and Microdata currently being
  208. # [19:58] <csarven> propagated by the major search engines and social networking platforms." -- http://hannes.muehleisen.org/Bizer-etal-DeploymentRDFaMicrodataMicroformats-ISWC-InUse-2013.pdf
  209. # [19:58] * csarven chuckles at the PDF
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  211. # [19:59] <@tantek> csarven: unfortunately they are conflating OGP (fake meta RDFa) in the RDFa stats
  212. # [19:59] <csarven> Quite weak/not so useful OGP neither
  213. # [19:59] <csarven> either
  214. # [19:59] <@tantek> also - to be fair one should check what year the crawl was done for that paper
  215. # [20:00] <@tantek> that might be dated information (i.e. based on raw stats older than 2014)
  216. # [20:00] <@tantek> my own anecdotal experience is that OGP is now in the lead, then microformats, then microdata, then "actual" RDFa
  217. # [20:01] <@tantek> (that OGP lead happened in the past 2-3 years)
  218. # [20:02] <csarven> I see. Sounds about right. But it is likely that RDFa is probably higher than Microdata now. Microdata took a hit 1-2 years ago IIRC.
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  222. # [20:05] <@tantek> hmm - there was a request for help from the Any23 developer late last year: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats/20141109
  223. # [20:05] <@tantek> does anyone know hectorMcSpector?
  224. # [20:06] <@tantek> kylewm: I think a good goal would be to land your Java microformats2 parser into Any23 - or however one merges / includes such things in the Java open source world.
  225. # [20:09] <@tantek> found the issue! https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ANY23-207
  226. # [20:09] <csarven> rapper (redland) supports mf + GRDDL
  227. # [20:14] <@tantek> do you have a URL for rapper and documentation of their microformats support?
  228. # [20:16] <csarven> tantek Just a sec.. but this is the repo https://github.com/dajobe/raptor
  229. # [20:17] <Loqi> [[any23]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=any23&diff=65106&oldid=64694&rcid=101487 * Tantek * (+1128) microformats2 support - link to issues, add clients, project pages
  230. # [20:19] <@tantek> !tell kylewm when you have a moment, it would be great if you could comment on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ANY23-207 noting/linking that there's now an open source java microformats2 parser now that they could start including.
  231. # [20:19] <Loqi> Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
  232. # [20:19] <csarven> "he default configuration of the GRDDL parser also reads microformats (hcard, hcalendar) and follows &lt;link&gt; tags that point to RDF/XML. Parts of the GRDDL process can be altered by configuration, which are describe below." -- https://github.com/dajobe/raptor/blob/07f22123064465381a4ce609675e9c520ff40af0/docs/raptor-parsers.xml
  233. # [20:19] <@tantek> !tell kylewm and then perhaps update http://microformats.org/wiki/any23#microformats2_support accordingly - thanks!
  234. # [20:19] <Loqi> Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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  237. # [20:23] <csarven> See also http://librdf.org/raptor/api/parser-grddl.html
  238. # [20:25] <Loqi> [[raptor]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=raptor&diff=65108&oldid=65107&rcid=101489 * Tantek * (+51) /* microformats support */ another citation from csarven
  239. # [20:27] <@tantek> csarven I can't find an issues link on the repo: https://github.com/dajobe/raptor - do you know where they track issues / feature requests?
  240. # [20:29] * @tantek runs into a DRY violation on the microformats wiki with the usual problem.
  241. # [20:30] <@tantek> http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#Parsers vs. http://microformats.org/wiki/parsers#microformats2_parsers
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  244. # [20:35] <Loqi> [[parsers]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=parsers&diff=65109&oldid=64477&rcid=101490 * Tantek * (+343) /* microformats2 parsers */ add link to microformats2 page for latest/main, add golang, java parsers
  245. # [20:35] <@tantek> !tell glennjones looks like http://microformat2-node.jit.su/ is down - is that temporary or permanent? was referenced on http://microformats.org/wiki/parsers#Microformat_Node
  246. # [20:35] <Loqi> Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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  251. # [20:40] <Loqi> [[parsers]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=parsers&diff=65110&oldid=65109&rcid=101491 * Tantek * (+5) /* past parsers */ change heading to more java since we have a microformats2 java parser in progress now
  252. # [20:42] <Loqi> [[parsers]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=parsers&diff=65111&oldid=65110&rcid=101492 * Tantek * (+7) /* More Java */ link to any23 local wiki page
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  261. # [21:29] <Loqi> [@frontinmaceio] RT @jcemer: Antes de sair usando [rel] para tudo, favor ler o que segue http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values (http://twtr.io/11DmL9GHDPC)
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  264. # [22:08] <csarven> !tell tantek http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/ -- supports some mf. Probably only mf1 these days
  265. # [22:08] <Loqi> Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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