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  1. # Session Start: Thu Jul 23 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #microformats
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  5. # [00:09] <KevinMarks> reidab: can they be URLs?
  6. # [00:09] <reidab> some of them can be
  7. # [00:09] <KevinMarks> tattek did a bit of research on that http://tantek.com/2014/084/b1/urls-people-focused-mobile-communication
  8. # [00:11] <@tantek> reidab prett sure all of them can be: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples#New_Types_of_Contact_Info (all written in terms of classic hCard, but translating to h-card is easy enough)
  9. # [00:11] <@tantek> s/prett/pretty
  10. # [00:11] <Loqi> tantek meant to say: reidab pretty sure all of them can be: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-examples#New_Types_of_Contact_Info (all written in terms of classic hCard, but translating to h-card is easy enough)
  11. # [00:12] <reidab> thanks
  12. # [00:13] <@tantek> now as far as native mobile device support for those URLs, who knows
  13. # [00:13] <@tantek> but they are valid URLs
  14. # [00:13] <@tantek> (that e.g. the providers themselves use)
  15. # [00:14] <reidab> I'd been thinking there wasn't a way to link to IRC effectively, but I found a URL scheme that looks somewhat valid
  16. # [00:14] <@tantek> there is a way to link to IRC *channels* but not people (pm/dm)
  17. # [00:14] <aaronpk> i saw a way to link to a nick
  18. # [00:14] <aaronpk> it was odd
  19. # [00:14] <reidab> irc://irc.freenode.net/reidab,isnick
  20. # [00:15] <aaronpk> that's the one
  21. # [00:15] <aaronpk> not all clients support it
  22. # [00:15] <@tantek> the ",nick" syntax? yeah no one supports it, and everyone treats it as trying to link open the channel #reidab
  23. # [00:15] <@tantek> no worse than that
  24. # [00:15] <@tantek> it is not only not supported, but it does *something else* in clients
  25. # [00:15] <aaronpk> probably because , is not consistently handled in URIs
  26. # [00:15] <@tantek> it just never got adopted
  27. # [00:16] <aaronpk> weird cause it's in the 2004 spec https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-butcher-irc-url-04
  28. # [00:16] <@tantek> yeah
  29. # [00:16] <@tantek> I know I researched it too
  30. # [00:16] <@tantek> tried it in a bunch of clients :(
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  66. # [08:11] <Loqi> [[hproduct-examples-in-wild]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hproduct-examples-in-wild&diff=65137&oldid=65135&rcid=101518 * Jeanmilord * (+131)
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  105. # [15:51] <Loqi> [@johnholtripley] What's the feeling on Microformats these days? Is http://Schema.org vocabulary being used more instead? (http://twtr.io/11wQwpRVQLG)
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  119. # [18:29] <aaronpk> for anyone following along with the PHP parser, I just re-opened this issue with a failing test added https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/issues/70
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  128. # [20:05] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-brainstorming&diff=65138&oldid=65065&rcid=101519 * VoxPelli * (+1551) add brainstorm about parsing language of content
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  130. # [20:09] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-brainstorming&diff=65139&oldid=65138&rcid=101520 * VoxPelli * (+108) change language example to include actual real swedish and english
  131. # [20:10] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-brainstorming&diff=65140&oldid=65139&rcid=101521 * VoxPelli * (+36) based on feedback, added some html to the e-* properties of the language example
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  133. # [20:37] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-brainstorming&diff=65141&oldid=65140&rcid=101522 * VoxPelli * (+127) add link to experimental microformat-node implementation of language parsing
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  136. # [21:03] <aaronpk> is it worth adding some of my own german posts to the language brainstorming page even if I don't mark them up explicitly?
  137. # [21:04] <aaronpk> at least as an example of a multi-language site?
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  139. # [21:10] <voxpelli> aaronpk: absolutely
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  145. # [21:49] <ben_thatmustbeme> went through multi-language in socialWG telcon, the danger is there is a deep rabbit whole you can go down as far as lang. voxpelli's method seems pretty simple though, but doesn't really work very well when you recognize it requires multiple h-entries for one post when you can just do with with html inside the e-content
  146. # [21:50] <ben_thatmustbeme> s/whole/hole
  147. # [21:50] <Loqi> ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: went through multi-language in socialWG telcon, the danger is there is a deep rabbit hole you can go down as far as lang. voxpelli's method seems pretty simple though, but doesn't really work very well when you recognize it requires multiple h-entries for one post when you can just do with with html inside the e-content
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  150. # [21:58] <KevinMarks> ben_thatmustbeme: that was my concern, looking at steph's posts - any element can have a long on it wihtout necessarily a class
  151. # [21:59] <aaronpk> ben_thatmustbeme: no it doesn't require multiple h-entries for a post
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  153. # [22:01] <ben_thatmustbeme> aaronpk: you are correct, that was in the context of posting the same content twice and if you put the lang on the h-entry
  154. # [22:01] <ben_thatmustbeme> once for each language
  155. # [22:02] <voxpelli> from a consumer perspective it's easy to know how to handle a "lang" at h-* level – just ignore the whole thing if the language is undesireable – but for individual properties it is harder
  156. # [22:03] <aaronpk> it's not that much harder for properties, and encourages better consuming code
  157. # [22:04] <aaronpk> basically you'd define a function "get_value" which works like this: if(is_string(property)) return property else if(is_object(property)) return property.value
  158. # [22:04] <voxpelli> one can't really ignore individual properties easily I think – in the browser everything is visible
  159. # [22:05] <voxpelli> I don't mean technically, I mean content wise :)
  160. # [22:06] <voxpelli> KevinMarks has an example of marking up a quote that's in eg. french as being so even if the rest of the post is in english – ignoring that quote because you don't understand english leaves you with a partial presentation – and rarely would you add both a fench and an english version of the quote to your html
  161. # [22:06] <aaronpk> oh gotcha
  162. # [22:07] <aaronpk> maybe that's not a good use of the lang attribute then?
  163. # [22:08] <voxpelli> well, depends – if you want to have a speech syntehizer read it or do some analysis of the text in some other way then it's very useful
  164. # [22:08] <aaronpk> hmm
  165. # [22:14] <KevinMarks> well, you might have both if you were talking about translation
  166. # [22:15] <KevinMarks> the case I think is most interesting is the summary in one language of the post in another
  167. # [22:16] <KevinMarks> which is a fairly common thing
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  169. # [22:17] <KevinMarks> this one that just came through is an example: http://notizblog.org/2015/07/23/interview-mit-aaron-parecki/
  170. # [22:18] <KevinMarks> you could wrap the 1st 2 paras in <div class="e-summary" lang="de"
  171. # [22:19] <voxpelli> yeah, that would be pretty neat
  172. # [22:20] <KevinMarks> google's weird lingusitic segregation policies discourage this
  173. # [22:21] <KevinMarks> most Europeans are polyglots, many americans are, but they pander to the monoglots
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  180. # [23:09] <Loqi> [@Lockedown_] Metadata, Part 2: Microformats http://www.lockedowndesign.com/metadata-microformats/?utm_source=ReviveOldPost&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=ReviveOldPost (http://twtr.io/11x4JpTcPC1)
  181. # [23:12] <@tantek> campaign=ReviveOldPost seriously?!?
  182. # [23:17] <KevinMarks> the post doesn't look that old though
  183. # [23:17] <KevinMarks> "the online hCalendar generator only goes up to the year 2013" LOL
  184. # [23:18] <KevinMarks> ReviveOldMicroformatsTools
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  186. # [23:20] <@tantek> wow totally missed that
  187. # [23:20] <@tantek> patches accepted? ;)
  188. # [23:20] <KevinMarks> switch to input type="date" ?
  189. # [23:20] <KevinMarks> or is that still crap on safari?
  190. # [23:21] <@tantek> not just Safari :(
  191. # [23:22] <KevinMarks> on chrome android you get the nice date picker
  192. # [23:24] <KevinMarks> the iOS one is OK too
  193. # [23:29] <Loqi> [@FFVIl] ＠lov　　 IP.Blog 2.6: SEO Improvements and Microformats - http://newz.scriptz-team.info/IPS-News-And-Updates/078819-IP-Blog-2-6-SEO-Improvements-and-Microformats.html (http://twtr.io/11x679ohrej)
  194. # [23:32] <KevinMarks> there's a use case for a web component - indie date/time picker
  195. # Session Close: Fri Jul 24 00:00:00 2015

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