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  1. # Session Start: Tue Aug 25 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #microformats
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  30. # [06:29] <Loqi> [@SBComputerHelp] SEO Tips 2015 incorporating Schema and Microformats: https://www.youtube.com/ via @YouTube (http://twtr.io/136mRHnwBaV)
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  32. # [07:18] <Loqi> [@AllTheTwits] is proof-reading microformats book (http://twtr.io/136qqxp_Lin)
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  75. # [14:40] <Loqi> [@AllTheTwits] wanting to spend time on and finish a football fixtures Microformats script (http://twtr.io/137WYTXDiYH)
  76. # [14:41] <@tantek> wat
  77. # [14:41] <Loqi> tantek: kylewm left you a message 5 days, 12 hours ago: value class pattern should work with mf1 date time properties, e.g. http://www.unmung.com/?html=%0D%0A%0D%0A%3Cdiv+class%3D%22vevent%22%3E%0D%0A%3Ch3+class%3D%22summary%22%3EXYZ+Project+Review%3C%2Fh3%3E%0D%0A%3Cp+class%3D%22description%22%3EProject+XYZ+Review+Meeting%3C%2Fp%3E%0D%0A%3Cp%3ETo+be+held+on+%0D%0A+%3Cspan+class%3D%22dtstart%22%3E%0D%0A++%3Cabbr+class%3
  78. # [14:42] <@tantek> yes
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  80. # [14:42] <@tantek> !tell kylewm yes value class pattern should work with mf1 date time properties. your unmung example was cut-off.
  81. # [14:42] <Loqi> Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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  94. # [17:15] <kylewm> good morning
  95. # [17:15] <Loqi> kylewm: tantek left you a message 2 hours, 32 minutes ago: yes value class pattern should work with mf1 date time properties. your unmung example was cut-off.
  96. # [17:25] <@tantek> good day kylewm!
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  101. # [17:48] <@tantek> kylewm: take a look at http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues - looks like glennjones added some new issues
  102. # [17:49] * @tantek is going to add some comments
  103. # [17:52] * kylewm hopes my comment on kartik's issue doesn't conflict
  104. # [17:55] <@tantek> nope
  105. # [17:55] <@tantek> merged
  106. # [17:55] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing-issues]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-issues&diff=65192&oldid=65191&rcid=101573 * Tantek * (+496) comment on a couple of Glenn's issues
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  129. # [22:56] <kylewm> https://github.com/apache/any23/pull/18
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  137. # [23:36] * @tantek reads http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/08/extensibility by rhiaro
  138. # [23:37] <@tantek> cheeky++
  139. # [23:37] <Loqi> cheeky has 2 karma
  140. # [23:40] <@tantek> rhiaro: re: example debate 1 - though we haven't see any volcanoes researchers yet, we have seen people that are interested in listings and products but not for anything social, and have been helping them help move h-listing and h-product forward FWIW
  141. # [23:41] <@tantek> "linked data people tend to do our due diligence and check for existing terms before we create new ones" HAHAHAHA. rhiaro need I remind you of FOAF again (vs vCard etc)
  142. # [23:42] <@tantek> "due diligence" oh then you won't mind providing a LINK with DATA to support your assertion of "diligence" ;)
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  144. # [23:46] <@tantek> "really the core tenet of linked data is... everything has a globally unique identifier - a URI.. or, fine, a URL if the 'I' is offputting" -- except for the aformentioned "due diligence" which is really more of a no, you should trust me because I'm an expert
  145. # [23:48] <rhiaro> I don't really know what you're asking for a link to.. every discussion/tutorial about creating new terms starts with 'see if there already exists something you can reuse'. That's things now, can't speak for linked data in the 'old days'..
  146. # [23:49] <@tantek> that "discussion"
  147. # [23:49] <rhiaro> I'll google some
  148. # [23:49] <@tantek> rhiaro: you're obviously much better in this respect
  149. # [23:50] <@tantek> but this is a very bad habit by LD-advocates as a whole
  150. # [23:50] <@tantek> lots of claims of "trust us" - very few URLs to back up that asserted "trust"
  151. # [23:50] <aaronpk> there should be a rule: on the URL that defines the LD term, there has to be a link to the discussion about that term
  152. # [23:50] <@tantek> hence https://twitter.com/t/status/590273371180400640
  153. # [23:50] <Loqi> [@t] New rule: reject claims by "Linked Data" advocate(s) until they provide *links* (URLs) to actual *data*. #extwebsummit (ttk.me t4ak1) (http://twtr.io/y_L6tZJ940)
  154. # [23:51] <rhiaro> here's one I made earlier http://rhiaro.github.io/sws/ (3.6 which has failed to line-break from 3.5)
  155. # [23:51] <@tantek> aaronpk - funny thing, that rule, about having to provide a link to *research* into that object/property, hey, that's part of the microformats process that they complain about as being "too hard"
  156. # [23:51] <aaronpk> hahaha
  157. # [23:53] <@tantek> pardon me, I forgot a URL to said part of the microformats process
  158. # [23:53] <@tantek> like http://microformats.org/wiki/process#Document_Current_Behavior
  159. # [23:53] <@tantek> and http://microformats.org/wiki/process#Document_Previous_Formats
  160. # [23:55] <@tantek> frankly I actually don't care if LD people find it too hard to figure out mf2 extensibllity. the fact that they're focusing on extensibility first, and shipping things second, means they're doomed to fail anyway
  161. # [23:56] <@tantek> s/shipping things/shipping things with *widely accepted existing vocabs*
  162. # [23:56] <Loqi> tantek meant to say: frankly I actually don't care if LD people find it too hard to figure out mf2 extensibllity. the fact that they're focusing on extensibility first, and shipping things with *widely accepted existing vocabs* second, means they're doomed to fail anyway
  163. # [23:59] <rhiaro> https://github.com/jamesaoverton/obo-tutorial/blob/master/docs/using-and-reusing.md https://linkingresearch.wordpress.com/2013/11/11/how-to-properly-publish-a-vocabulary-or-ontology-in-the-web-part-6-of-6/ http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/about
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