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  1. # Session Start: Wed Aug 26 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #microformats
  3. # [00:00] <rhiaro> I think a lot of the shipping happens outside of your areas of interest
  4. # [00:00] <rhiaro> Particularly in research and stuff
  5. # [00:02] <@tantek> extensibility is supposed to be hard, or at least harder than finding and re-using existing vocabularies
  6. # [00:02] <@tantek> rhiaro: no doubt - same thing happened with the explosion of made-up XML vocabs in the late 1990s and 2000s
  7. # [00:02] <@tantek> and where are all those made-up domain specific vocabs now?
  8. # [00:04] <@tantek> rhiaro: https://github.com/jamesaoverton/obo-tutorial/blob/master/docs/using-and-reusing.md is the most thorough docs on this kind of things I have ever seen, impressed that there's mention of e.g. *Community* to maintain a vocabulary
  9. # [00:05] <@tantek> those are good sources for research
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  12. # [00:12] <rhiaro> linked data people aren't actually all impractical antisocial crazies :)
  13. # [00:12] <rhiaro> I know you don't want to believe that..
  14. # [00:13] <@tantek> no it's actually relief to know there's more sanity out there than suspected
  15. # [00:13] <@tantek> perhaps it's just exposure to too many non-implementing crazies through W3C :/
  16. # [00:14] <Loqi> [[previous-formats]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=previous-formats&diff=65193&oldid=46160&rcid=101574 * Tantek * (+435) search other communities for pre-existing formats/vocabularies too with a couple of search links found from links from rhiaro
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  18. # [00:41] <@tantek> hey rhiaro do you have the ability to add to http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/vocabs ?
  19. # [00:42] <@tantek> e.g. http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/vocabs?q=recipe could use a reference to http://microformats.org/wiki/h-recipe
  20. # [00:43] <rhiaro> I think LOV is centrally run, they take suggestions but they add stuff themselves
  21. # [00:44] <@tantek> do they have a form somewhere where you can submit, you know, a LINK to some additional vocabulary? ;)
  22. # [00:45] <rhiaro> http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/suggest
  23. # [00:45] * @tantek wonders if Linked Open Vocabularies accepts Links to Open Vocabularies
  24. # [00:45] <@tantek> #sorrynotsorry
  25. # [00:45] <rhiaro> literally a form for a link :)
  26. # [00:45] <rhiaro> with a shiny pdf to help you...
  27. # [00:45] <@tantek> LOL: org.apache.jena.riot.RiotException: Failed to determine the triples content type: (URI=file:///usr/local/lov/lovnode/http://microformats.org/wiki/h-recipe : stream=text/html : hint=null) at org.apache.jena.riot.RDFDataMgr.process(RDFDataMgr.java:755) at org.apache.jena.riot.RDFDataMgr.parse(RDFDataMgr.java:652) at org.apache.jena.riot.RDFDataMgr.read(RDFDataMgr.java:211) at org.apache.jena.riot.RDFDataMgr.read(RDFDataMgr.java:104) at
  28. # [00:45] <@tantek> org.apache.jena.riot.RDFDataMgr.read(RDFDataMgr.java:95) at org.apache.jena.riot.RDFDataMgr.loadModel(RDFDataMgr.java:331) at org.lov.LovBotVocabAnalyser.analyse(LovBotVocabAnalyser.java:58) at org.lov.LovBotVocabAnalyser.analyseVocabURI(LovBotVocabAnalyser.java:48) at org.lov.cli.Suggest.exec(Suggest.java:71) at arq.cmdline.CmdMain.mainMethod(CmdMain.java:101) at arq.cmdline.CmdMain.mainRun(CmdMain.java:63) at arq.cmdline.CmdMain.mainRun(CmdMain.java:5
  29. # [00:46] <@tantek> at org.lov.cli.Suggest.main(Suggest.java:27)
  30. # [00:46] <@tantek> well alrighty then
  31. # [00:46] <@tantek> what a riot indeed
  32. # [00:46] <rhiaro> oh cool, they try to parse the rdf from the vocabulary already
  33. # [00:46] <rhiaro> s/already/immediately
  34. # [00:46] <Loqi> rhiaro meant to say: oh cool, they try to parse the rdf from the vocabulary immediately
  35. # [00:46] <rhiaro> guess they don'tn consider an occasion where there is no rdf :p
  36. # [00:47] <rhiaro> I can go add some rdfa into the mf wiki if you like :D
  37. # [00:47] <@tantek> what is it that they're looking for?
  38. # [00:48] <rhiaro> an rdf representation of the vocabulary
  39. # [00:48] <rhiaro> that thing where the URI to a vocabulary/term is supposed to resolve to a human and machine readable version
  40. # [00:48] <rhiaro> their machines are trying to read it
  41. # [00:49] <@tantek> alright, is the "Recommendations for vocabulary metadata description" PDF a giant troll?
  42. # [00:49] <@tantek> what happens if I submit that...
  43. # [00:49] <rhiaro> I dunno it's kind of hilarious
  44. # [00:49] <rhiaro> I guess just somebody couldn't be bothered to htmlize that document, and then it got forgotten about
  45. # [00:49] <@tantek> or even RDFize it
  46. # [00:50] <Loqi> [[code-tools]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=code-tools&diff=65194&oldid=64899&rcid=101575 * Weihnachtsbaumzentrale * (+94)
  47. # [00:50] <rhiaro> or both
  48. # [00:50] <@tantek> as in have it "resolve to a human and machine readable version" :P
  49. # [00:50] <@tantek> hey that's not an XFN creator translation
  50. # [00:50] <Loqi> [[code-tools]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=code-tools&diff=65195&oldid=65194&rcid=101576 * Tantek * (-94) Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/Weihnachtsbaumzentrale|Weihnachtsbaumzentrale]] ([[User talk:Weihnachtsbaumzentrale|Talk]]) to last version by [[User:Bayerwald-Weihnachtsbaeume|Bayerwald-Weihnachtsbaeume]]
  51. # [00:52] <rhiaro> that pdf even contains instructions to make documentation human and machine readable
  52. # [01:01] <Loqi> [[xfn-brainstorming]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=xfn-brainstorming&diff=65197&oldid=64949&rcid=101580 * Tantek * (+137) /* met and wants to meet */ XFN has rel=met
  53. # [01:02] <Loqi> [[code-tools]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=code-tools&diff=65198&oldid=65195&rcid=101582 * Tantek * (-68) rm spam Undo revision 64899 by [[Special:Contributions/Bayerwald-Weihnachtsbaeume|Bayerwald-Weihnachtsbaeume]] ([[User talk:Bayerwald-Weihnachtsbaeume|Talk]])
  54. # [01:03] <Loqi> [[linked-data]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=linked-data&diff=65199&oldid=56265&rcid=101583 * Tantek * (+375) ask for citations, link don't trust to the layer cake with trust on top
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  59. # [04:25] <Loqi> [@tutslycom] SEO Tips 2015 incorporating Schema and Microformats - http://tutsly.com/tutorial/seo-tips-2015-incorporating-schema-and-microformats/ #tutorial https://twitter.com/tutslycom/status/636363759032905729/photo/1 (http://twtr.io/138jirfgDop)
  60. # [04:25] <@tantek> wat
  61. # [04:36] <KevinMarks> post says microformats, video says microdata
  62. # [04:38] <KevinMarks> he's saying to post fake aggregate reviews on your own site
  63. # [04:39] <@tantek> typical SEO deceptions
  64. # [04:40] <KevinMarks> he's very confused about what schema is and what microdata is; he's googling for generators
  65. # [04:40] <@tantek> so we should make some then, generators that is
  66. # [04:40] <@tantek> (or at least update the existing ones)
  67. # [04:41] <KevinMarks> then he eventuall finds the hcard creator
  68. # [04:59] <Loqi> [@duqitilydoq] SEO Tips 2015 incorporating Schema and Microformats http://seovideos.engagethecrowd.com/seo-tips-2015-incorporating-schema-and-microformats/ (http://twtr.io/138nq7ZhnbY)
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  78. # [06:21] <Loqi> [@OnSixes] Why isn’t there a rel=“affiliate” for marketing links? #microformats #blogging #wordpress #sales #ethics (http://twtr.io/138vBYa69Zs)
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  80. # [06:50] <kylewm> rel-affiliate++
  81. # [06:50] <Loqi> rel-affiliate has 1 karma
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  129. # [12:00] <Loqi> [@bloggermin] Blogger SEO: Microformats http://blgs.co/iaueU4 https://twitter.com/bloggermin/status/636478242078261248/photo/1 (http://twtr.io/139Rccp05u8)
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  155. # [16:03] <Loqi> [@misygihinive] SEO Tips 2015 incorporating Schema and Microformats http://seovideos.engagethecrowd.com/seo-tips-2015-incorporating-schema-and-microformats/ (http://twtr.io/139nXfUg2S8)
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  169. # [17:11] <Loqi> [[code-tools]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=code-tools&diff=65200&oldid=65198&rcid=101584 * SexMint * (+5)
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  171. # [17:14] <@tantek> yeah that usernmae doesn't look suspicious at all
  172. # [17:14] <Loqi> [[code-tools]] M http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=code-tools&diff=65201&oldid=65200&rcid=101585 * Tantek * (-5) Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/SexMint|SexMint]] ([[User talk:SexMint|Talk]]) to last version by [[User:Tantek|Tantek]]
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  184. # [19:15] <Loqi> [@wpulsarblog] Author hReview Plugin Review >> http://www.wpulsar.com/author-hreview-plugin/ #WordPress #wp https://twitter.com/wpulsarblog/status/636587735566950405/photo/1 (http://twtr.io/13A4jTLea6k)
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  187. # [19:36] <Loqi> [@WebTrafficKings] RT @scriptzteam: IP.Blog 2.6: SEO Improvements and Microformats - http://newz.scriptz-team.info/IPS-News-And-Updates/078819-IP-Blog-2-6-SEO-Improvements-and-Microformats.html (http://twtr.io/13A6c8awRoo)
  188. # [19:41] <Loqi> [@SmallMarketi] RT https://twitter.com/scriptzteam/status/636593983284772864 IP.Blog 2.6: SEO Improvements and Microformats - http://newz.scriptz-team.info/IPS-News-And-Updates/078819-IP-Blog-2-6-SEO-Improvements-and-Microformats.html (http://twtr.io/13A74zbJtnk)
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  198. # [22:25] <Loqi> [@kykyorg] Фото дня: съёмочная группа СТВ проводит уличный опрос. На шпаргалке предположительно – ответы: http://kyky.org/microformats/2015-08-26/photo https://twitter.com/kykyorg/status/636635631905546240/photo/1 (http://twtr.io/13AMr2RntxL)
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