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  1. # Session Start: Thu Oct 29 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #microformats
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  27. # [04:11] <kylewm> noticing that http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card doesn't say much about venues. just people and organizations
  28. # [04:11] <kylewm> is that on purpose?
  29. # [04:16] <@tantek> venues are just a subset of organizations
  30. # [04:16] <@tantek> there are many subsets / types of organizations
  31. # [04:17] <@tantek> I can add that to an FAQ
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  33. # [04:21] <Loqi> [[h-card]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=h-card&diff=65281&oldid=65247&rcid=101669 * Tantek * (+10) /* Status */ top-level backcompat
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  36. # [04:26] <@tantek> kylewm: note that "venues" is mentioned in one of the examples in the wild
  37. # [04:27] <@tantek> (just double-checked the example too)
  38. # [04:27] <kylewm> :+1:
  39. # [04:28] <@tantek> do you have suggestions for improving the spec regarding applicability to venues?
  40. # [05:10] <kylewm> tantek: no, I was just looking for the right terminology to describe an h-card that is a place rather than a person, "venue", "location", etc.
  41. # [05:11] <@tantek> "venue" is a named location
  42. # [05:11] <@tantek> location could be an adr or geo
  43. # [05:11] <kylewm> ok, that helps, ty
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  45. # [05:21] <Loqi> [@pypi_updates] mf2util 0.2.9: Python Microformats2 utilities, a companion to mf2py https://pypi.python.org/pypi/mf2util/0.2.9 (http://twtr.io/15T0AjdCkHs)
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  73. # [08:30] <Loqi> [[Template:cc0-owfa-license]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:cc0-owfa-license&diff=65282&oldid=58639&rcid=101670 * Tantek * (-3) -linebreaks
  74. # [08:36] <Loqi> [[microformats2-parsing]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing&diff=65283&oldid=65229&rcid=101671 * Tantek * (+83) expand header per feedback re: status, feedback
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  113. # [20:08] <Loqi> [[jf2]] http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=jf2&diff=65284&oldid=65275&rcid=101672 * Benthatmustbeme * (+472) add important links
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  116. # [21:04] <kylewm> ben_thatmustbeme: why does your service generate syndication: { url: ... } instead of just syndication: ...?
  117. # [21:04] <ben_thatmustbeme> aaronpk: was in favor of trying to make anything that is a url be url:
  118. # [21:04] <kylewm> providing a mime-type for content: is slick, i like that
  119. # [21:05] <ben_thatmustbeme> so that it requires no knowledge of the actual vocabulary
  120. # [21:06] <kylewm> hmm... so should dates be "published": { "datetime": "..." }?
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  122. # [21:11] <aaronpk> kylewm: ha interesting point
  123. # [21:12] <aaronpk> mayyybe
  124. # [21:12] <aaronpk> the other reason for alwaysh having urls be {url:...} is that it lets you optionally attach meta data that describes the url, since URLs are always referring to some other things
  125. # [21:13] <aaronpk> most common of course is the mf2 vocab of the contents of the URL, like name, content, etc
  126. # [21:13] <aaronpk> but it also allows for things like mime type of images
  127. # [21:13] <kevinmarks> so is this a way of getting the rel-urls info back in?
  128. # [21:20] <ben_thatmustbeme> aaronpk: from what i can tell the ur: thing isn't needed for things like syndication.
  129. # [21:20] <ben_thatmustbeme> at least to make json-ld people happy that is
  130. # [21:20] <ben_thatmustbeme> this is all getting so confusing
  131. # [21:20] <aaronpk> no i wanted that in there regardless of json-ld
  132. # [21:22] <kevinmarks> you want to be able to reconstruct the url markup?
  133. # [21:22] <aaronpk> yeah, and not have to regex on the value to know if it's a url
  134. # [21:22] <kevinmarks> that is a bit like xoxo, except that wasn't nested
  135. # [21:35] <kevinmarks> schema review problems between apple and google: https://twitter.com/jamesthomson/status/659814941852082176
  136. # [21:35] <Loqi> [@jamesthomson] Well, cheers Google for completely wrong star ratings on my apps…
  137. # [21:46] <kylewm> kevinmarks: I tend to think the rels/rel-urls would be better served by a separate parser. I never want to run the whole mf2 parser just to get like the webmention endpoint
  138. # [21:47] <aaronpk> good point, i usually don't use both kinds of values at the same time
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  140. # [21:47] <kevinmarks> historically we have had more interaction between rels and formats
  141. # [21:48] <kevinmarks> but the 'rels apply to the whole document' view undermined that
  142. # [21:48] <kylewm> yeah, that makes sense
  143. # [21:52] <kevinmarks> but if you want to get type,hreflang etc info for the {url: } struct, the only place we have that at the moment is int he rel-urls
  144. # [22:04] <aaronpk> well the parser still has access to the rels, so it could fill those values in
  145. # [22:10] <kevinmarks> a bit like the xoxo one: http://www.unmung.com/xoxotojson?url=http%3A%2F%2Faaronparecki.com%2Farticles&pretty=on
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  147. # [22:14] <aaronpk> correct me if i'm wrong, but the "text" value on that json is from the link tag, and hasnothing to do with the contents of the URL?
  148. # [22:19] * kevinmarks reads decade old code to check
  149. # [22:21] <kevinmarks> I think it is the link text, yes
  150. # [22:21] <aaronpk> i guess not so much a code question but the intent
  151. # [22:22] <kevinmarks> yes, it's the link text http://microformats.org/wiki/xoxo#Special_Properties
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  155. # [22:23] <ben_thatmustbeme> https://github.com/w3c-social/Social-Syntax-Brainstorming/wiki/jf2#context
  156. # [22:24] <ben_thatmustbeme> to do it the correct way you have to put json-ld contexts on each of the h-* pages, and i am not going through all that
  157. # [22:24] <aaronpk> on the wiki pages?
  158. # [22:26] <ben_thatmustbeme> yeah, or on some other page you point to instead of the wiki page
  159. # [22:26] <aaronpk> ah funny
  160. # [22:26] <aaronpk> we can deal with that later :)
  161. # [22:27] <ben_thatmustbeme> honestly, i think its fine as is
  162. # [22:27] <aaronpk> probably
  163. # [22:28] <ben_thatmustbeme> alternatively an updated http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-classes for mf2 ones would work
  164. # [22:33] <kevinmarks> tantek, was there a decision to only put mf1 existing classes in that page, or did we just stop updating it ?
  165. # [22:33] <@tantek> I don't know who was updating it in the first place.
  166. # [22:34] <@tantek> it seemed like something that would quickly get out of sync so I didn't put any effort into it.
  167. # [22:36] <kevinmarks> ah OK
  168. # [22:37] <kevinmarks> I suppose https://github.com/tommorris/mf2py/blob/master/mf2py/backcompat.py is a more current reflection
  169. # [22:38] <@tantek> kevinmarks: for backcompat - the h-* specs have the full lists
  170. # [22:38] <@tantek> that's the canonical list - not any one particular implementation which may have more or fewer
  171. # [22:41] <kevinmarks> makes sense
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