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  1. # Session Start: Thu Feb 14 00:00:00 2013
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  30. # [12:43] <tobie> Starting to fill-in http://www.w3.org/wiki/Testing
  31. # [12:43] <tobie> comments and contribs welcomed.
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  33. # [12:58] * Ms2ger waves
  34. # [13:00] <jgraham> tobie: I object to ordering that makes Process sound more important than actually achieving meaningful interop
  35. # [13:01] <Ms2ger> Yay, Process
  36. # [13:02] <tobie> jgraham: I thought your interop story had magically resolved overnight.
  37. # [13:02] <jgraham> (as far as I can tell the value of testing is 1) Achieving interop 2) There is no 2.)
  38. # [13:03] <darobin> wait..
  39. # [13:03] * jgraham waits
  40. # [13:03] <darobin> we don't get to have beer after interop?
  41. # [13:03] <Ms2ger> 2) Telling people that webkit sucks
  42. # [13:03] <Ms2ger> 3) Figuring out what the spec should say
  43. # [13:03] <jgraham> Ms2ger: That's a part of 1)
  44. # [13:04] <tobie> Ms2ger: currently, there's as many processes for authoring and reviewing tools as they are groups.
  45. # [13:04] <Ms2ger> Exactly
  46. # [13:04] <tobie> Ms2ger: this needs fixing.
  47. # [13:04] <Ms2ger> I propose the following process: "create a PR"
  48. # [13:04] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Figuring out what the spec should say is typically a diffrent kind of testing. But the only point of specs is to achieve interop. So see 1)
  49. # [13:04] <tobie> Essentially through better tooling
  50. # [13:05] <tobie> Ms2ger: absolutely
  51. # [13:05] <Ms2ger> Any objections?
  52. # [13:05] <tobie> It just needs to be written down somewhere.
  53. # [13:05] <tobie> somewhere centralized.
  54. # [13:05] <Ms2ger> The motion carries; thanks all :)
  55. # [13:05] <jgraham> Yeah, well getting HTML and WebApps and the minor groups on board won't be hard
  56. # [13:05] <tobie> my job is to make sure process boils down to a PR
  57. # [13:05] <jgraham> Good luck with CSS :)
  58. # [13:05] <tobie> ty
  59. # [13:06] <tobie> I'll need it. :)
  60. # [13:06] <Ms2ger> I'd suggest wording the scope of our repo such that we can just dump CSS tests there :)
  61. # [13:07] <tobie> Ms2ger: yes please, lets change the name of the repo to something meaningful asap
  62. # [13:08] * Ms2ger assigns that to tobie
  63. # [13:08] <tobie> Ms2ger: you seem to have an unlimited set of powers
  64. # [13:08] <tobie> how do you do this?
  65. # [13:08] <Ms2ger> Mystery.
  66. # [13:08] <jgraham> Why do you think he needs a secret identity?
  67. # [13:08] <tobie> biab
  68. # [13:11] <Ms2ger> darobin, then
  69. # [13:33] <tobie> jgraham: he?
  70. # [13:35] <jgraham> tobie: Ms2ger self-identifies as a "he"
  71. # [13:36] <Ms2ger> Usually
  72. # [13:36] <Ms2ger> tobie, now you're back...
  73. # [13:36] <jgraham> For all I know there isn't even a concept of gender on Ms2ger's home planet
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  75. # [13:44] <Ms2ger> tobie, so do you have access or do I need to troll darobin?
  76. # [13:49] <tobie> Oh, to the repo? I'm not sure. Think MikeSmith might have given access earlier today.
  77. # [13:49] <tobie> We'll have to bike shed the name
  78. # [13:49] <tobie> not fun otherwise
  79. # [13:50] * jgraham is coming over all Romeo and Juliet
  80. # [13:50] <tobie> jgraham: missing the reference here
  81. # [13:50] <tobie> or is it because we're the 14th of February?
  82. # [13:51] <jgraham> Certainly not
  83. # [13:51] * tobie confused
  84. # [13:52] <jgraham> Juliet had great foresight into 21st century standards work when she said "What's in a name? That which we call a rose / By any other name would smell as sweet."
  85. # [13:52] <tobie> oh
  86. # [13:53] <jgraham> And with that I think we can all agree that web-platform-tests is just as good a name as any other
  87. # [13:54] <jgraham> :)
  88. # [13:55] <Ms2ger> Seconded
  89. # [14:03] <tobie> wfm
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  92. # [15:18] <tobie> darobin: I'd rather you did the repo renaming as I suspect you might have scripts and such where it might be hard coded.
  93. # [15:18] <tobie> Wouldn't want to ruin your Thursday afternoon.
  94. # [15:18] <darobin> you guys agree on a name, I'll do the rest
  95. # [15:19] <darobin> yeah, please don't break all our clones without asking first
  96. # [15:19] <tobie> either of web-platform-(tests|testuite)
  97. # [15:19] <darobin> could we think of something longer actually?
  98. # [15:19] <tobie> easily: append w3c
  99. # [15:20] <darobin> w3c+whatwg-web-platform-test-suite-repository
  100. # [15:20] <tobie> descriptive names are good for forking.
  101. # [15:20] <tobie> darobin: don't troll
  102. # [15:20] <darobin> web-testsuite
  103. # [15:20] <darobin> oh-kay
  104. # [15:20] <darobin> don't give me a choice then, give me a decision
  105. # [15:21] <tobie> darobin: you know what, this is not a decision we have to take this week.
  106. # [15:21] <tobie> We're discussing branding the resource center
  107. # [15:22] <darobin> as you prefer :)
  108. # [15:22] <tobie> let's make that part of the job
  109. # [15:22] <darobin> ok!
  110. # [15:24] <Ms2ger> darobin, alright, decision
  111. # [15:24] <Ms2ger> web-platform-tests
  112. # [15:31] <Ms2ger> tobie, any objection to moving the repo now?
  113. # [15:34] <tobie> Ms2ger: none. web-platform-tests is good enough for me. If we want to bike-shed further, there's already a dedicated area for that http://www.w3.org/wiki/Testing/Resource_Center_TF/Resource_Center_Branding
  114. # [15:34] <tobie> I like all my bike-shedding to happen in a controlled environment.
  115. # [15:34] <Ms2ger> darobin, please execute :)
  116. # [15:42] <jgraham> Oh look the W3C has a bunch of closer-member task forces on testing
  117. # [15:42] <jgraham> Seems like the obvious way to engage the community
  118. # [15:42] <Ms2ger> Are they all lead by tobie?
  119. # [15:42] <tobie> yes
  120. # [15:43] <tobie> and they all have the same people in them too.
  121. # [15:43] <tobie> :D
  122. # [15:43] <Ms2ger> Sounds like someone needed more work!
  123. # [15:43] <tobie> well, I'm full time on this for year so...
  124. # [15:43] <tobie> better make the most out of it.
  125. # [15:43] <Ms2ger> Excellent, I've got work for you
  126. # [15:44] <Ms2ger> https://github.com/w3c/html-testsuite/pull/31
  127. # [15:44] <tobie> Ms2ger: nice try.
  128. # [15:45] <Ms2ger> What, you suddenly have TFs to lead? :)
  129. # [15:45] <tobie> yeah, and I'm making up new ones as we speak.
  130. # [15:45] <Ms2ger> I'm going to suggest the Ms2ger's Test Review TF
  131. # [15:46] <tobie> can you lead this?
  132. # [15:46] <tobie> seems unconventional but appropriate.
  133. # [15:47] <Ms2ger> So I just get to approve my own tests?
  134. # [15:47] <Ms2ger> WFM
  135. # [15:47] <tobie> go for it. that'll change as soon as the TFs start producing process
  136. # [15:49] <tobie> For the record, I have absolutely no authority in this area. This is darobin turf. or someone else's. not sure.
  137. # [15:49] <darobin> what have I done again?
  138. # [15:49] <tobie> s/darobin/darobin's/
  139. # [15:50] <Ms2ger> You got a new approved test
  140. # [15:50] <Ms2ger> Which reminds me, I should close that other PR
  141. # [15:50] <tobie> ok, I'll be back later. I need to create a TF that syncs all the other TFs' work.
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