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  29. # [09:43] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] sideshowbarker pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/11d290a32f450f0d28204eeb1eda3a2fb88d6ac4
  30. # [09:43] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 11d290a Michael[tm] Smith: New vnu-map.json for use in testing validator.nu
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  33. # [09:44] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] sideshowbarker pushed 1 new commit to conformance-checkers: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/cb034d72819d0f21508ca1b1ff9ba45edc2158c5
  34. # [09:44] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/conformance-checkers cb034d7 Michael[tm] Smith: New vnu-map.json for use in testing validator.nu
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  41. # [11:56] <MikeSmith> git protip: don't use "--git-dir" to try to do anything with git repo when you're not actually in the directory for that repo
  42. # [11:56] <MikeSmith> or don't trust it
  43. # [11:58] * jgraham had never heard of --git-dir
  44. # [11:58] <jgraham> Did you also define --work-tree?
  45. # [12:00] <MikeSmith> jgraham: no, because it basically seemed to work as expected with just --git-dir and not --work-tree
  46. # [12:01] <MikeSmith> basically
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  48. # [12:01] <MikeSmith> but then other bizarre stuff seems to silently happen
  49. # [12:02] <MikeSmith> anyway probably it's soemthing I'm doing wrong
  50. # [12:02] <jgraham> Ssssh, you will confirm Ms2ger's suspicions that git is basically an evil plot to confuse and destroy
  51. # [12:02] <MikeSmith> I was just trying to have a my script avoid the need to do a "cd" to the git dir before pulling
  52. # [12:02] <MikeSmith> heh
  53. # [12:02] <Ms2ger> Already confirmed
  54. # [12:03] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, what's this conformance-checkers branch?
  55. # [12:05] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: it's the stuff I gave you and jgraham a heads-up about earlier
  56. # [12:05] <MikeSmith> I made a branch so that I can pull just the branch into the validator.nu build tree
  57. # [12:05] <Ms2ger> I thought you were going to use a dir, not a branch
  58. # [12:06] <MikeSmith> yeah the branch is so that for the validator.nu build, I don't have to pull the entirety of wpt
  59. # [12:06] <MikeSmith> in order to run the test automation
  60. # [12:06] <MikeSmith> for regression testing changes
  61. # [12:07] <jgraham> That seems, umm, how are you doing it?
  62. # [12:08] <jgraham> I guess I could look
  63. # [12:08] <MikeSmith> git subtree push -P conformance-checkers/html-its/ -b its-inputdata origin its-inputdata
  64. # [12:09] <jgraham> So this is effectively a totally seperate repo hidden inside wpt?
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  66. # [12:10] <jgraham> (it doesn't actually have any commits in common with master)
  67. # [12:10] <MikeSmith> that's the case for that branch, yeah
  68. # [12:10] <jgraham> Seems like you might just want an actual seperate repo, really
  69. # [12:10] <MikeSmith> but nobody else should be working from that branch
  70. # [12:10] <MikeSmith> it should be considered read-only
  71. # [12:11] <jgraham> Hmm
  72. # [12:11] <MikeSmith> export-only
  73. # [12:11] <jgraham> I guess that's a theory
  74. # [12:11] <jgraham> We can discover how well it works
  75. # [12:12] <Ms2ger> jgraham, r? https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/31 :)
  76. # [12:16] <jgraham> Ms2ger: OK, I'll look
  77. # [12:16] <AutomatedTester> MikeSmith: looks like more great API design by the git folks
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  79. # [12:18] <MikeSmith> AutomatedTester: I just have a knack for accidentally finding ways to break stuff. Because I do stupid things most nobody else would think to do.
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  81. # [12:18] <MikeSmith> I guess I should be doing QA work for a living
  82. # [12:18] <AutomatedTester> MikeSmith: a good API doent give you a foot gun
  83. # [12:19] <AutomatedTester> just saying
  84. # [12:19] <Ms2ger> This *is* git we're talking about, right?
  85. # [12:19] <MikeSmith> heh
  86. # [12:19] <MikeSmith> git is an intelligence test
  87. # [12:19] <Ms2ger> The better you deal, the lower your score? ;)
  88. # [12:20] <MikeSmith> hah
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  91. # [12:21] <MikeSmith> the more you use it, the dumber you get
  92. # [12:22] <MikeSmith> til after you use it for a long time, it just seems wonderful and perfect
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  94. # [12:29] <jgraham> Pretty sure any vcs that is powerful enough contains a footgun
  95. # [12:29] <jgraham> It's pretty much the definition of "powerful enough"
  96. # [12:33] <darobin> what's this nonsense about footguns?
  97. # [12:33] <darobin> a good API should give you enough rope to not just hang yourself, but also knit a footgun out of it
  98. # [12:33] <darobin> git does great in this department
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  100. # [12:39] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham opened pull request #320: Remove an old copy of the html5lib tests (master...remove_old_html5lib) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/320
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  102. # [12:39] <jgraham> Easiest review of the day, anyone?
  103. # [12:39] <jgraham> https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/301
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  105. # [12:45] <darobin> jgraham: done
  106. # [12:45] <darobin> I reckon you don't need review for the truly obvious stuff
  107. # [12:45] <jgraham> darobin: Thanks
  108. # [12:46] <jgraham> Yeah, that I could perhaps have just pushed
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  110. # [12:48] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham closed pull request #320: Remove an old copy of the html5lib tests (master...remove_old_html5lib) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/320
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  113. # [12:48] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/compare/11d290a32f45...aed5ba1f4b2b
  114. # [12:48] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 6cec38f James Graham: Remove an old copy of the html5lib tests
  115. # [12:48] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master aed5ba1 jgraham: Merge pull request #320 from jgraham/remove_old_html5lib...
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  118. # [12:51] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/cc959c36a5ca85f8640340445dc08c2018a50939
  119. # [12:51] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master cc959c3 James Graham: Rename some page visibility manual tests to match new conventions.
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  122. # [13:01] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/d013f8ca8495d0afd1ae9cad02f1dff1ce64afbe
  123. # [13:01] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master d013f8c James Graham: Move manual tests in FileAPI to match naming convention
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  126. # [13:05] <jgraham> So is http://w3c-test.org/web-platform-tests/master/battery-status/battery-charging.html a manual test?
  127. # [13:05] <jgraham> It has unusual preconditions at least, but I guess it finishes automatically if you meet them
  128. # [13:06] <Ms2ger> I say manual
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  130. # [13:08] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/21eb0c1467dfd7a3b7eb91a6d9d9b176cd21f8c6
  131. # [13:08] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 21eb0c1 James Graham: Move some battery api tests to comply with naming conventions.
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  133. # [13:08] <jgraham> Yeah, if there is a precondition that needs to be manually checked, it seems a lot like a manual test
  134. # [13:19] <darobin> definitely manual
  135. # [13:20] <darobin> I reckon most of DAP's tests will be manual — you usually can't introspect the device's status in another way...
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  139. # [13:26] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master eecdea5 James Graham: Move manual vibration test to matching naming convention
  140. # [13:26] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 19c2500 James Graham: Rename some mediastreams tests that require manual interaction.
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  157. # [17:40] <ArtB> ms2ger re "writing up a number of things that needed testing for the last testtwf event; I think those were all ignored, and still need to be done", do you have a link handy or recall the e-mail list used?
  158. # [17:40] <ArtB> (btw, that sucks)
  159. # [17:40] <Ms2ger> I don't
  160. # [17:41] <jgraham> There was an etherpad somewhere iirc
  161. # [17:41] <ArtB> I checked a couple of W3C archives
  162. # [17:44] <jgraham> Hmm, I can't find it either
  163. # [17:44] <jgraham> Now I am worried that I'm having shared hallucinations with Ms2ger
  164. # [17:44] * Ms2ger pokes his history
  165. # [17:45] * ArtB don't bogart that sh*t ;-)
  166. # [17:46] <jgraham> https://etherpad.mozilla.org/VkkW1BU54C
  167. # [17:47] <Ms2ger> https://etherpad.mozilla.org/VkkW1BU54C
  168. # [17:47] <Ms2ger> There we are
  169. # [17:47] <Ms2ger> At least we hallucinate consitently
  170. # [17:47] <Ms2ger> consistently
  171. # [17:48] <jgraham> Dunno if it ever got sent to anyone at the event though
  172. # [17:48] <Ms2ger> https://twitter.com/odinho/status/342965863512698880
  173. # [17:48] <Ms2ger> http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20130607#l-369
  174. # [17:49] <ArtB> good list
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  178. # [18:15] <Ms2ger> ArtB, btw, bz suggests that the webmessaging test suite is not quite good enough
  179. # [18:16] <ArtB> ms2ger, do you have a link?
  180. # [18:17] <jgraham> Is that "not *quite*" or "*not quite*"?
  181. # [18:17] <jgraham> i.e. is he actually saying it's lousy?
  182. # [18:18] <Ms2ger> <bz> ugh
  183. # [18:18] <Ms2ger> <bz> the WG thinks they have good test coverage?
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  185. # [18:19] <jgraham> Heh
  186. # [18:19] <jgraham> OK
  187. # [18:20] <Ms2ger> That says enough? :)
  188. # [18:20] <ArtB> it would great to get bz to review what we have
  189. # [18:21] <ArtB> lots of failures and NotRuns http://www.w3.org/wiki/Webapps/Interop/WebMessaging
  190. # [18:21] <Ms2ger> Well, we need half a dozen bz's to do everything it would be great for bz to do :)
  191. # [18:21] <ArtB> I don't know if Alex Kuang is still active
  192. # [18:21] <ArtB> yeah, definitely need to clone that guy!
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  194. # [18:23] <Ms2ger> ArtB, next time W3C has too much money, can you make them hire test reviewers rather than spec editors for specs that are already edited? :)
  195. # [18:24] <ArtB> wfm ;)
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  197. # [18:25] <jgraham> W3C should hire genetic engineers
  198. # [18:25] <jgraham> To look at cloning
  199. # [18:25] <jgraham> It's a long game
  200. # [18:26] <jgraham> But we can get ahead of the market
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  202. # [18:28] * ArtB makes a note to include a "Wait for BZ Clone Miracle" in WebApps' test plan
  203. # [18:28] <jgraham> No, I'm suggesting we try Science, not wait for a miracle :)
  204. # [18:28] <jgraham> Anyway zcorpan wrote those tests
  205. # [18:28] <jgraham> Or some of those tests
  206. # [18:28] <jgraham> But I doubt he has time to write more
  207. # [18:29] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Does bz have specific areas that he thinks need tests?
  208. # [18:29] <Ms2ger> jgraham, the subject of the conversation was MessageEvent.ports, I believe
  209. # [18:29] <Ms2ger> And in particular the array type
  210. # [18:29] <jgraham> I have a feeling it won't be things that the general population of test authors at TestTWF are going to work on, but might be something that an "expert" could spend the day on
  211. # [18:30] <jgraham> That might postdate those tests
  212. # [18:30] <jgraham> Ah, I just got the email
  213. # [18:32] <jgraham> Woah
  214. # [18:32] <jgraham> bz is looking at the wrong testsuite
  215. # [18:32] <jgraham> afaict
  216. # [18:33] <Ms2ger> Bah, yes
  217. # [18:34] <Ms2ger> And that's why darobin needs to kill off all that
  218. # [18:37] <Ms2ger> ArtB, can you check if anything on your wiki still points to w3c-test.org/webapps?
  219. # [18:37] <ArtB> does anyone know if TTWF includes "reviewing test results" (such as http://www.w3.org/wiki/Webapps/Interop/WebMessaging ) to determine if failures are test bugs or impl bugs and then file issues/bugs accordingly?
  220. # [18:38] <ArtB> ms2ger, I'll look into that (I fixed a bunch of those links in PubStatus earlier today)
  221. # [18:38] <jgraham> I think it can include whatever we can persuade people to do
  222. # [18:38] <jgraham> Reviewing is generally not that exciting so it's hard to persuade people to do it
  223. # [18:40] <ArtB> yes true although I suppose it wouldn't hurt to add a) analyze WebMessaging test results and b) analyze Web Sockets test results to the list we give Rebecca/TTWF
  224. # [18:41] <jgraham> In good news, however, I have the results for a large fraction of the testsuite in gecko
  225. # [18:41] <stearns> ArtB: we do encourage logging bugs at TTWF, but so far it's been on tests people write, not looking at results of existing tests
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  227. # [18:42] <Ms2ger> jgraham, woo
  228. # [18:42] <stearns> ArtB: but I'm up for adding that
  229. # [18:42] <ArtB> cool ; let me get the link for the WebSockets test results ...
  230. # [18:42] <jgraham> Ms2ger: One convenient 55Mb JSON file
  231. # [18:42] <Ms2ger> Is that passes and fails?
  232. # [18:43] <ArtB> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Webapps/Interop/WebSockets
  233. # [18:44] <jgraham> Ms2ger: passes, fails, harness status, some random logging
  234. # [18:44] <Ms2ger> Okay
  235. # [18:44] <Ms2ger> Now to visualize it :)
  236. # [18:44] <jgraham> (it gzips to 1.5Mb, so you can see it is not a very efficient format)
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  240. # [18:45] <Ms2ger> jgraham, well, it contains all of Aryeh's autogenerated test names :)
  241. # [18:47] <jgraham> And contains the full URL of the test once per result
  242. # [18:47] <jgraham> (once per subtest result, that is)
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  244. # [19:04] <Ms2ger> ArtB, would the WG be okay with bz coediting webidl?
  245. # [19:06] <ArtB> prolly ;-)
  246. # [19:06] <ArtB> please have bz send me a related e-mail
  247. # [19:09] <Ms2ger> <bz> I sent him that mail at the time.... and nothing happened
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  250. # [19:34] <jgraham> Ms2ger: http://hoppipolla.co.uk/410/results.html Probably wrong.
  251. # [19:36] <Ms2ger> jgraham, what's the number of children?
  252. # [19:41] <jgraham> The number of tests on the page
  253. # [19:44] <Ms2ger> Doesn't seem to be
  254. # [19:44] <Ms2ger> /html/dom/documents/dom-tree-accessors/Document.getElementsByClassName-null-undef.html has one test
  255. # [19:44] <Ms2ger> And the page says /html/dom/documents/dom-tree-accessors/Document.getElementsByClassName-null-undef.html OK 166 75
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The end :)