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  1. # Session Start: Mon Sep 30 00:00:00 2013
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  9. # [08:19] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] sideshowbarker opened pull request #357: [cc] Added some parser tests for charref errors. (master...cc-html-parser) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/357
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  49. # [13:08] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] sideshowbarker pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/9d41f3acc6f9246827d9d536c3e7005a4e58310a
  50. # [13:08] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 9d41f3a Michael[tm] Smith: [cc] Added messages.json document->error map file
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  52. # [13:22] <jgraham> Hmm, so w3c-test.org is a bit of a problem
  53. # [13:23] <jgraham> If it wasn't for that I could assume that server instances are shortlived
  54. # [13:24] <MikeSmith> jgraham: why would you want server instances to be shortlived?
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  56. # [13:27] <jgraham> MikeSmith: Because some tests want to store small pieces of state that get set in one request and checked in some later request
  57. # [13:27] <MikeSmith> ok
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  59. # [13:28] <jgraham> So for a shortlived, one-client system, you can have an immutable (path, key) indexed store
  60. # [13:28] <jgraham> (although immutability is probably quite annoying when you are developing the test; need to think about that more)
  61. # [13:29] <jgraham> For a long-lived system with multiple clients accessing the same test you need something else
  62. # [13:32] <jgraham> I'm not sure what the "something" can be other than tokens (e.g. session cookies), which seems like extra complexity for the test author
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  64. # [13:37] <MikeSmith> jgraham: the state has to be stored on the server side?
  65. # [13:38] <jgraham> Yeah. The use case I have in front of me is "did the client send a preflight request for CORS"
  66. # [13:38] <MikeSmith> each client couldn't locally store something separately?
  67. # [13:38] <MikeSmith> oh
  68. # [13:38] <MikeSmith> yeah
  69. # [13:39] <jgraham> (cookies also suck because they are inherently shared state, so I would prefer to *remove* them from tests wherever possible, not start adding more)
  70. # [13:42] <MikeSmith> maybe somebody on the list will have a clever idea
  71. # [13:42] <MikeSmith> though that seems pretty unlikely
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  73. # [13:45] <darobin> I guess CORS tests could be made against unique paths
  74. # [13:45] <darobin> and you store information when that unique path is accessed, return it on demand
  75. # [13:48] <jgraham> Doesn't that amount to asking the client to generate a unique token
  76. # [13:48] <jgraham> Which *works*
  77. # [13:48] <jgraham> But is mighty inconvenient
  78. # [13:49] <jgraham> Not least because you have to make sure that you keep a copy of the token
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  82. # [14:47] <AutomatedTester> I have a Chinese visa!
  83. # [14:48] <Ms2ger> Now, a good use for it
  84. # [14:49] <AutomatedTester> implement my own great leap forward for China?
  85. # [14:49] <jgraham> s/leap/test the web/
  86. # [14:49] <jgraham> Easy to get those confused
  87. # [14:50] <jgraham> Probably if you say the wrong thing in this channel they will still refuse you entry :)
  88. # [14:50] <AutomatedTester> jgraham: I ranted after my application and I still got a visa
  89. # [14:50] <jgraham> Yeah well
  90. # [14:51] <jgraham> Now they want you to do a 12 hour flight
  91. # [14:51] <jgraham> and then be denied entry
  92. # [14:51] <AutomatedTester> <- low risk
  93. # [14:51] <AutomatedTester> do I still get my air miles?
  94. # [14:51] <jgraham> I guess
  95. # [14:51] <AutomatedTester> then its not a total lose
  96. # [14:51] <AutomatedTester> loss*
  97. # [14:51] <jgraham> Anyway I guess that means that there's hope
  98. # [14:52] <jgraham> I got a new invitation letter with more information on
  99. # [14:52] <AutomatedTester> jgraham: I looked at getting to the hotel and going from Hong Kong looks painful
  100. # [14:52] <AutomatedTester> its >3 hrs
  101. # [14:52] <jgraham> Oh
  102. # [14:52] <jgraham> Well
  103. # [14:52] <AutomatedTester> vs 30 mins from Shenzhen airport
  104. # [14:52] <jgraham> Why do they recommend that?
  105. # [14:52] <AutomatedTester> I dont know
  106. # [14:53] <jgraham> >3 hours and a boat is not my idea of fun
  107. # [14:53] <AutomatedTester> no
  108. # [14:53] <Ms2ger> Sounds like traveling 20 miles by train in the UK
  109. # [14:53] <Ms2ger> Though it's probably cheaper
  110. # [14:53] <AutomatedTester> especially since my Cantonese/Mandarin is sketchy
  111. # [14:53] <dom> "FWIW, those (like me) who'll arrive through HKIA should consider using
  112. # [14:53] <dom> the ferry. 30 minutes, cheap, convinient."
  113. # [14:54] <jgraham> …
  114. # [14:54] <jgraham> These accounts do not match
  115. # [14:55] <AutomatedTester> I checked on Google maps
  116. # [14:55] <AutomatedTester> on a train so can't use Google maps
  117. # [14:56] <AutomatedTester> I only reserved my flight so now need to book it
  118. # [14:58] <jgraham> Seems the ferry itself takes 30 minute
  119. # [14:58] <jgraham> s
  120. # [14:58] <jgraham> Although it isn't really clear how the journey could then take 3 hours. But Shenzen is presumably huge
  121. # [14:59] <AutomatedTester> 40 km from Shenzhen airport
  122. # [15:00] <wilhelm> I handed in my visa application form today. They accepted the invitation letter as-is.
  123. # [15:01] <AutomatedTester> *mutters*
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  126. # [15:02] <wilhelm> But they had moved the consulate. So I was ringing the wrong door bell this morning. (c;
  127. # [15:02] <AutomatedTester> lol
  128. # [15:03] <AutomatedTester> jgraham: when is your appointment now?
  129. # [15:04] <jgraham> AutomatedTester: A week on Wednesday
  130. # [15:04] <jgraham> iirc
  131. # [15:04] <jgraham> (not sure why I wouldn't pick a week on Tuesday)
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  134. # [15:06] <MikeSmith> DPRK doorbell
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  136. # [15:08] <wilhelm> I do want to visit there, actually. But that'll have to be next time. (c;
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  138. # [15:10] <MikeSmith> wilhelm: you don't know it yet, but you're now in the way there already
  139. # [15:10] <MikeSmith> because you ringed their doorbell
  140. # [15:10] <wilhelm> Oh.
  141. # [15:11] * wilhelm cancels the Tokyo apartment booked for just after TPAC. I hope I get my money back.
  142. # [15:11] <jgraham> (also the ferries are once per hour ish, so I fiess that the expected waiting time is another 30 minutes)
  143. # [15:11] <jgraham> *guess
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  151. # [15:32] <AutomatedTester> yay internet again!
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  169. # [16:49] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] ayg opened pull request #358: Use webidl2.js instead of WebIDLParser.js (master...submission/ayg-use-webidl2) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/358
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  183. # [19:08] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] ayg opened pull request #359: Update dom/interfaces.html to current spec (master...submission/ayg-update-dom-interfaces) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/359
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  190. # [20:14] <jgraham> Hurrah. Now I have a test that fails 6/6 times on w3c-test.org and passes 4/6 times locally
  191. # [20:14] <jgraham> Which I think means that it is buggy 2/6 times locally
  192. # [20:14] <jgraham> Of course odin is still awol
  193. # [20:15] <jgraham> Oh s/6/5
  194. # [20:16] <jgraham> and it fails only once locally in Opera...
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  196. # [20:22] <jgraham> (also this test is insane)
  197. # [20:22] * jgraham will go home instead
  198. # [20:22] <andreastt> odinho got back from Moscow today.
  199. # [20:22] <andreastt> He was in the office, at least.
  200. # [20:22] <jgraham> Oooh, a victim
  201. # [20:23] <jgraham> I mean, uh
  202. # [20:23] <jgraham> Helper?
  203. # [20:23] <jgraham> Anyway hopefully he will be around tomorrow if I try at a more sensible time
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