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  73. # [12:59] <jgraham> http://wptserve.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
  74. # [12:59] <jgraham> In case anyone is interested
  75. # [12:59] <jgraham> As I may have mentioned, the documentation needs to be improved
  76. # [12:59] <jgraham> So if anyone has time to look at that and tell me which bits suck the worst, that would be nice
  77. # [13:10] <zcorpan> jgraham: i had a look, and i wasn't horribly confused :-)
  78. # [13:10] <jgraham> zcorpan: Thanks
  79. # [13:11] <zcorpan> looks really nice. almost makes me want to write some network tests
  80. # [13:12] <zcorpan> i guess you've started porting some tests already?
  81. # [13:13] <jgraham> Yeah, I ported all the tests
  82. # [13:13] <jgraham> and some of them even work!
  83. # [13:13] <jgraham> https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/tree/jgraham/python
  84. # [13:21] <zcorpan> awesomeness. are you planning a presentation for testtwf? :-)
  85. # [13:21] <jgraham> Well I have been given a three minute lightning talk, which I'm not sure is going to be enough to do more than say "this is how you run the test environment"
  86. # [13:22] <jgraham> I could do a presentation at webapps though, I expect
  87. # [13:22] <jgraham> Or a plenary day session
  88. # [13:25] <jgraham> I think a plenary session on the state and future of web-platform-tests makes sense at least
  89. # [13:25] <jgraham> Dunno if that's already on the programme though
  90. # [13:25] <wilhelm> +1
  91. # [13:26] <darobin> jgraham: you're thinking of a plenary breakout, or an address of the whole plenary?
  92. # [13:26] <jgraham> darobin: I was thinking of a breakout
  93. # [13:26] <darobin> then that should be easy
  94. # [13:28] <jgraham> zcorpan: If you have some time, it would be useful if you could look at the track tests on that branch
  95. # [13:28] <jgraham> Some of them (011.html onwards, perhaps) are broken, I think, but I'm not sure why
  96. # [13:28] <jgraham> Possibly something to do with broken cookie support
  97. # [13:29] <MikeSmith> jgraham: http://wptserve.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ looks great
  98. # [13:30] <MikeSmith> and readthedocs.org looks good too (didn't know about it yet)
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  100. # [13:31] <MikeSmith> I suggest that wptserve could use a mascot
  101. # [13:31] <MikeSmith> like at http://es5.github.io/
  102. # [13:34] <MikeSmith> jgraham: http://openclipart.org/detail/185071/hungry-baby-by-johnny_automatic-185071
  103. # [13:39] <zcorpan> http://openclipart.org/detail/71953/rat-animal-by-scottmeyer
  104. # [13:42] <MikeSmith> http://openclipart.org/people/johnny_automatic/shotinthehead.svg
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  106. # [14:07] <darobin> there are quite a few words that contain "WPT" in them
  107. # [14:08] <darobin> the most obvious one being "wept"
  108. # [14:08] <darobin> I reckon a picture of jgraham disguised as Jesus and crying could make for a great mascot
  109. # [14:15] <MikeSmith> I'm gonna use that hungry baby for something if jgraham doesn't
  110. # [14:16] <MikeSmith> http://openclipart.org/people/johnny_automatic/johnny_automatic_Sad_mouse.svg
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  116. # [15:02] <zcorpan> jgraham: hmm, i don't see the track tests...?
  117. # [15:03] <Ms2ger> There's some in the Opera media tests pr, no?
  118. # [15:03] <jgraham> zcorpan: /old-tests/submission/Opera/media/track/track-element/cors/
  119. # [15:03] <jgraham> Are the ones I had in mind
  120. # [15:05] <zcorpan> ah
  121. # [15:05] <zcorpan> we really need to get up to speed with the PRs :-|
  122. # [15:06] <jgraham> Yeah, and I am going to submit a huge PR that will conflict with any other PR that moves tests or adds scripted tests
  123. # [15:06] <jgraham> +server-side
  124. # [15:11] <zcorpan> jgraham: <script src=support/common.js?pipe=sub></script> what difference does the ?pipe=sub make?
  125. # [15:11] <jgraham> zcorpan: It pipes it through the simple substitution filter (aka pipe)
  126. # [15:12] <jgraham> Which is used to dp things like replace {{ports[http][0]}} with the current port number
  127. # [15:12] <zcorpan> right, but the above doesn't actually substitute anything?
  128. # [15:13] <jgraham> window.sameOriginURL = "http://{{domains[]}}:{{ports[http][0]}}" should get replaced
  129. # [15:13] <jgraham> And the next line
  130. # [15:16] <zcorpan> ah! i thought the {{}} thing would be in the url itself
  131. # [15:16] <zcorpan> but i see now that wouldn't make sense
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  134. # [15:25] <zcorpan> jgraham: i need to install the server to run it, right? there isn't one on the web?
  135. # [15:26] <jgraham> zcorpan: Right
  136. # [15:26] <jgraham> However, it should be easy (in theory)
  137. # [15:26] <jgraham> See the readme on github
  138. # [15:26] <jgraham> But basically the process is just
  139. # [15:26] <jgraham> git clone
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  141. # [15:26] <jgraham> git checkout jgraham/python
  142. # [15:26] <jgraham> git submodule init
  143. # [15:27] <jgraham> git submodule update --recursive
  144. # [15:27] <jgraham> (edit /etc/hosts)
  145. # [15:27] <jgraham> python serve.py
  146. # [15:27] <jgraham> And you get a full environment
  147. # [15:29] <zcorpan> ok, i guess i can try it next week
  148. # [15:29] <jgraham> (compared to before this is the same git magic, some extra one-time changes to /etc/hosts and no requirement to have any kind of web server installed or get PHP to work, or figure out why, given PHP appears to work, it is different from everyone else's PHP)
  149. # [15:30] <jgraham> That would be great, thanks
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  154. # [15:56] <MikeSmith> jgraham: what's the /etc/hosts step for?
  155. # [15:58] <MikeSmith> nm
  156. # [15:58] <jgraham> MikeSmith: For running web platform tests we need a) a server name that b) is not localhost and c) has all the subdomains
  157. # [15:58] <MikeSmith> yeah, I see now you got it in the docs
  158. # [15:58] <MikeSmith> I just had not read that part
  159. # [15:58] <jgraham> AFAIK the two options are a) /etc/hosts editing or b) autoproxy magic
  160. # [15:59] <MikeSmith> ok
  161. # [15:59] * MikeSmith tries to remmeber if OSX actaully uses /etc/hosts
  162. # [15:59] <jgraham> Providing the option of b) for people who can't do the hosts file thing might be interesting, but isn't my highest priority
  163. # [16:00] <jgraham> Google says /private/etc/hosts
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  165. # [16:02] <MikeSmith> yeah
  166. # [16:02] <MikeSmith> nice stuff
  167. # [16:03] <AutomatedTester> MikeSmith: thanks for the respec protip
  168. # [16:03] <MikeSmith> jgraham: will this make it to the master branch in time for the TestTWF event?
  169. # [16:03] <MikeSmith> AutomatedTester: glad to be useful
  170. # [16:04] <jgraham> AutomatedTester: Was that "don't use respec"? ;)
  171. # [16:04] <jgraham> MikeSmith: I hope so
  172. # [16:04] <MikeSmith> jgraham: he hasn't reached that level of the game yet
  173. # [16:04] <MikeSmith> he has to beat the boss at this level first
  174. # [16:05] <MikeSmith> or else go way back down to the anolis level
  175. # [16:06] <AutomatedTester> jgraham: :)
  176. # [16:06] <jgraham> Ah, so first beat gsnedders, then darobin, then TabAtkins then finally Bert Bos?
  177. # [16:07] <MikeSmith> jgraham: you've inadvertently revealed the secret of Bert's last name
  178. # [16:07] <darobin> ROFL
  179. # [16:07] <darobin> FWIW, what was the pro-tip? if it's not in the docs it probably should be
  180. # [16:08] <Ms2ger> And when you beat them all, I'll be there, cackling :)
  181. # [16:08] <darobin> the next thing I do to ReSpec is fix the WebIDL support
  182. # [16:08] <jgraham> MikeSmith: I am thinking that in the spirit of "release early, release often", I will add a code review soon (now?) and continue to do bug fixes and add tests whilst the review is in progress
  183. # [16:08] <MikeSmith> jgraham: ok
  184. # [16:09] <jgraham> I'm not sure how well other people will react to reviewing code that is known incomplete, but I think it can work OK
  185. # [16:09] <jgraham> (or, rather, I have seen it work OK)
  186. # [16:11] <MikeSmith> jgraham: I guess people review code all the time that's known incomplete
  187. # [16:11] <MikeSmith> jgraham: btw don't tell AutomatedTester about the bonus level where you have to generate all your specs using https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/file/default/encrypted-media/spec-html.xsl
  188. # [16:11] <AutomatedTester> MikeSmith: did you swear at me?
  189. # [16:12] <MikeSmith> (that's the real scandal about EME)
  190. # [16:12] <AutomatedTester> MikeSmith: we use webdriver to generate our html spec
  191. # [16:13] <MikeSmith> AutomatedTester: Represent.
  192. # [16:13] <MikeSmith> dogfood all the way down
  193. # [16:14] <MikeSmith> darobin: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-browser-tools-testing/2013OctDec/0006.html
  194. # [16:15] <AutomatedTester> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webdriver/file/aebae076ea15/Makefile#l28 which calls https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webdriver/file/aebae076ea15/generate-full-html.py
  195. # [16:15] <jgraham> I wonder if the EME people have considered just serving an XSLT stylesheet that decodes their video. That's surely good enough protection
  196. # [16:15] <MikeSmith> zing
  197. # [16:17] <darobin> MikeSmith: does your trick actually work?
  198. # [16:17] <darobin> somehow I doubt it...
  199. # [16:18] <MikeSmith> used to work
  200. # [16:18] <darobin> it's a bit surprising since ReSpec uses document.lastModified exactly like that
  201. # [16:18] <darobin> but it fails on lovely dvcs.w3 because the server always sends now as the Last-Modified date
  202. # [16:19] <MikeSmith> ah dvcs.w3.org
  203. # [16:19] <MikeSmith> I'm going to pull the plug on that server right now
  204. # [16:20] <darobin> I see the "fix" is in https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webdriver/file/aebae076ea15/webdriver-spec.html
  205. # [16:20] <darobin> I really don't think it works
  206. # [16:20] <darobin> you only think it works because in order to implement it you move the lastmod date to pretty much now, so of course it picks the date of today
  207. # [16:20] <darobin> :)
  208. # [16:20] <darobin> but tomorrow you'll be sorry for it
  209. # [16:20] <darobin> muahaha
  210. # [16:21] <MikeSmith> shit
  211. # [16:21] <darobin> oh, and you're using a local copy of ReSpec
  212. # [16:21] <MikeSmith> I swear it used to work on dvcs.w3.org
  213. # [16:21] <darobin> MikeSmith: if it does work I'd love to know because it means I have a bug
  214. # [16:22] <darobin> but that code's been around for ages....
  215. # [16:22] <MikeSmith> it don't work
  216. # [16:22] <MikeSmith> I just checked with another spec
  217. # [16:22] <MikeSmith> Khaaaaaaaan!
  218. # [16:23] <darobin> MikeSmith: yeah, see https://github.com/darobin/respec/blob/develop/js/w3c/headers.js#L215
  219. # [16:23] <darobin> so much for a pro tip!
  220. # [16:23] <darobin> YOU MET THE BOS
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  222. # [16:25] <MikeSmith> looks like I've just been dis-respeced
  223. # [16:25] <MikeSmith> well played darobin well played
  224. # [16:26] <MikeSmith> AutomatedTester: seems we will have to come up with other magic
  225. # [16:27] <jgraham> Hmm, it seems I can't edit the hooks on the wptserve repo on github :|
  226. # [16:27] <darobin> MikeSmith, AutomatedTester: yes, the other magic is to move the fffff out of dvcs.w3 :)
  227. # [16:27] <darobin> this is a trick that works even under CVS
  228. # [16:28] <darobin> but hg-web or whatever that poor excuse for a mistake is called can't handle lastmod
  229. # [16:28] <jgraham> Anyone want to give me more permissions?
  230. # [16:28] <MikeSmith> jgraham: will do now
  231. # [16:29] <MikeSmith> jgraham: I think I might need to make you an owner
  232. # [16:29] <darobin> just making him admin should be enough, no?
  233. # [16:30] <MikeSmith> oh wait for https://github.com/w3c/wptserve ?
  234. # [16:30] <jgraham> MikeSmith: Yeah, just for that one
  235. # [16:30] <MikeSmith> darobin: yeah
  236. # [16:30] <darobin> (not that I mind either way)
  237. # [16:30] <jgraham> It should be the same as whatever I have for web-platform-tests
  238. # [16:30] * MikeSmith turns some knobs
  239. # [16:31] <MikeSmith> jgraham: should work now
  240. # [16:32] <jgraham> MikeSmith: Looks better. Thanks
  241. # [16:34] <darobin> MikeSmith: re that webdriver repo
  242. # [16:34] <darobin> if you want to have a local copy of ReSpec for when you're on the plane or whatnot
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  244. # [16:34] <darobin> I recommend using a <script> to load the real online one, and after that <script>if (!respecVersion) document.write(...include local script)
  245. # [16:34] <darobin> instead
  246. # [16:35] <darobin> I guess that might be advice for AutomatedTester, too
  247. # [16:35] <darobin> of course, don't make the first script async
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  254. # [17:32] * jgraham wonders who else would like to be added as a reviewer on wptserve
  255. # [17:36] <denis> jgraham, feel free to add me
  256. # [17:36] <denis> I'll take a deeper look at wptesrve next week
  257. # [17:37] <jgraham> denis: Can you sign in to critic? Either you haven't or I can't guess your username :) https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/364 - it will redirect to github for the signin
  258. # [17:38] <denis> jgraham: can you look for deniak ?
  259. # [17:38] <jgraham> denis: Done
  260. # [17:38] <denis> cool, thanks
  261. # [17:38] <jgraham> (I couldn't guess your username, it turns out)
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  263. # [17:42] <Ms2ger> denis, didn't you use to do tr/ publications?
  264. # [17:42] <denis> yep, not anymore
  265. # [17:42] <denis> I switched to the interaction domain 2 weeks ago
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  267. # [17:43] <gsnedders> jgraham: I'm level 1? :(
  268. # [17:48] <Ms2ger> denis, probably more fun to be had around here ;)
  269. # [17:52] <denis> Ms2ger: yeah, let's say it's different
  270. # [17:52] <denis> publishing was fun, at least at the beginning ;)
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The end :)