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  17. # [11:30] <jgraham> MikeSmith: So who is it that's going to work on w3c-test.org changes?
  18. # [11:31] <MikeSmith> jgraham: me I guess
  19. # [11:32] <MikeSmith> unless robin ends up getting tired of waiting for me to get around to it
  20. # [11:34] <jgraham> I see.
  21. # [11:34] <jgraham> I just really want to merge that PR :)
  22. # [11:35] <jgraham> (since literally everything else depends on it)
  23. # [11:37] <MikeSmith> what's stopping you from merging it? that it will break existing serving from w3c-test.org?
  24. # [11:37] <MikeSmith> I think we can go ahead and break it
  25. # [11:37] <MikeSmith> I mean, go ahead and merge it
  26. # [11:37] <Ms2ger> Yeah, it will
  27. # [11:38] <jgraham> Well
  28. # [11:38] <jgraham> It will breat tests
  29. # [11:38] <jgraham> *Break
  30. # [11:38] <jgraham> Not serving as such
  31. # [11:45] <MikeSmith> jgraham: so if it's blocked on it breaking some tests, what can I personally do about that right now?
  32. # [11:45] <MikeSmith> I mean, that doesn't have anything to do with the server
  33. # [11:45] <MikeSmith> oh
  34. # [11:46] <jgraham> It has everything to do with the server :)
  35. # [11:46] <MikeSmith> unless you mean break e.g. the websocket tests we're serving from jetty
  36. # [11:48] <MikeSmith> so what else would I need to do on the server side before we can deploy it?
  37. # [11:48] <jgraham> It will break those. And all the tests that depend on PHP (because they are deleted) and all the tests that depend on .htaccess (because all the .htaccess files are deleted too)
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  39. # [11:48] <MikeSmith> so those tests need to be fixed later
  40. # [11:49] <Ms2ger> No, the tests are fixed
  41. # [11:49] <Ms2ger> But they rely on having the python server running
  42. # [11:49] <MikeSmith> so I shut down the Apache server on port 80 and I run the python server on port 80
  43. # [11:50] <jgraham> YEah, more or less
  44. # [11:50] <MikeSmith> well that's easy
  45. # [11:50] <jgraham> You actually want to run the python server on port 80 and some other port
  46. # [11:51] <MikeSmith> yeah but it does that by itself, right?
  47. # [11:51] <MikeSmith> I mean the start script for it does
  48. # [11:51] <jgraham> It might not be the best way for you to run things, but for the local user there is a config file
  49. # [11:51] <Ms2ger> "HTTP servers for w3c-test.org are available on ports 80, 81, 82, and 83.", apparently
  50. # [11:51] <MikeSmith> I may have to open some ports on the firewall
  51. # [11:52] <jgraham> Ms2ger: It should only be 2 ports now
  52. # [11:52] <jgraham> and 2 for HTTPS, although the HTTPS code probably doesn't work since it's untested
  53. # [11:53] <Ms2ger> That's not what http://www.w3.org/wiki/Testing/Requirements#The_Web_test_server_must_be_available_through_different_ports says
  54. # [11:53] <MikeSmith> we (W3C) do have some other things on w3c-test.org that are using the Apache server, but I guess for those we'll just need to move Apache to running on some other port (which will break some bookmarks and whatnot but oh well)
  55. # [11:54] <jgraham> Ms2ger: At this point I don't think there are any tests that require > 2 ports. I'm not even sure what such a test would look like
  56. # [11:55] <jgraham> MikeSmith: Having other things on w3c-test.org is unfortunate. What kind of other things are they?
  57. # [11:57] <jgraham> (given that this is relatively unproven code, it seems prudent to islolate it as much as possible, so if there are problems it only affects the tests and not anything else)
  58. # [12:01] <MikeSmith> jgraham: it will be isolated once it runs, necessarily. it's not going to have access to the rest of the filesytem outside of the tree that's a clone of the w-p-t repo
  59. # [12:01] <odinho> yeah. that server should prolly be simple and easy to replicate too.
  60. # [12:01] <odinho> have some standard default setup
  61. # [12:02] <MikeSmith> the other things are like http://w3c-test.org/testrunner/2dcontext/ and such
  62. # [12:02] <MikeSmith> and really I don't know what eelse but the best way to find out it is to flip the switch and see who complains
  63. # [12:03] <MikeSmith> only plh and robin and I have shell access to that host
  64. # [12:03] <MikeSmith> so they're the only ones that would have installed other Web content there
  65. # [12:04] <MikeSmith> oh there's http://w3c-test.org/framework/app/ but robin and I will be happy to break that at this point
  66. # [12:04] <MikeSmith> Richard won't be, I guess, but nobody is maintaining it any more anyway
  67. # [12:04] <Ms2ger> Oh, that
  68. # [12:04] <jgraham> OK
  69. # [12:05] <MikeSmith> we can move that to another port if Richard really wants it
  70. # [12:05] <MikeSmith> yeah, that thing is PHP
  71. # [12:05] <jgraham> I kind of have a wptserve-based replacement
  72. # [12:05] <MikeSmith> yeah, indeed
  73. # [12:05] <Ms2ger> I say we bury it and salt the ground
  74. # [12:05] <MikeSmith> I think that will work for Richard's needs better
  75. # [12:05] <jgraham> At least I have a way of running tests in your browser semi-automatically and getting the results as JSON
  76. # [12:05] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: amen
  77. # [12:07] <jgraham> So the theory is that I should go ahead with the merge and then you will deal with the wreckage?
  78. # [12:07] <MikeSmith> jgraham: yeah I htink Richard will like that better. He was just relying on the /framework thing because that's all we had. He never bought into the CSS WG tax we had to bake into it, and will be glad I think not to have to do all the extra work that thing forces the test maintainers to do
  79. # [12:07] <MikeSmith> jgraham: yeah
  80. # [12:08] <MikeSmith> Robin may suggest more caution, I dunno
  81. # [12:08] * Ms2ger suggests less caution
  82. # [12:08] <jgraham> MikeSmith: Is Robin around?
  83. # [12:08] <MikeSmith> Robin not around today I don7t think
  84. # [12:08] <MikeSmith> at least I've not talked with him today
  85. # [12:08] <MikeSmith> plh will be on later
  86. # [12:08] <Ms2ger> Well, he's French... He'll probably surrender
  87. # [12:09] <MikeSmith> heh
  88. # [12:10] <MikeSmith> we have a plh-team staff meeting tomorrow, so we could discuss it then. But really only plh and Robin and I need to talk
  89. # [12:10] <Ms2ger> So you're on Team Plh, eh
  90. # [12:10] <MikeSmith> but if Robin's not here today I guess we should wait til tomorrow morning EU time to do it, assuming he'll be here tomorrow
  91. # [12:11] <jgraham> OK. Waiting a day isn't a problem. Waiting a month for him to get back from his stint on celebrity big brother, or something, might be
  92. # [12:12] <jgraham> (maybe they don't have that in Japan…)
  93. # [12:12] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: technically it's the "Interaction Domain", but nobody except W3C fellow travelers know or care what that it. More people know plh
  94. # [12:12] <MikeSmith> jgraham: heh
  95. # [12:12] <MikeSmith> more like non-celebrity big daddy
  96. # [12:13] <MikeSmith> Robin has two young kids so I think he's not got spare time for big brothering
  97. # [12:14] <MikeSmith> anyway I will make it a priority
  98. # [12:14] <MikeSmith> I think we should try to get it done by mid-week at the latest
  99. # [12:15] <jgraham> MikeSmith: Awesome, thanks
  100. # [12:20] <MikeSmith> hey btw here's me doing some W3C member recruiting in China: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koalie/11761925966/in/set-72157639407924945
  101. # [12:20] <Ms2ger> Did they join?
  102. # [12:21] * MikeSmith is gonna show that to plh next time anybody complains to him about me not being cooperative about "outreach"
  103. # [12:21] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: I asked him to talk to his boss
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  110. # [13:30] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] deniak created deniak/ms-audio (+1 new commit): https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/ed305a1b5069
  111. # [13:30] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/deniak/ms-audio ed305a1 Denis Ah-Kang: MS tests on audio element:...
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  114. # [13:30] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] deniak opened pull request #494: MS tests on audio element (master...deniak/ms-audio) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/494
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  120. # [13:57] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham pushed 1 new commit to jgraham/DOMParsing: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/74e440a485311d66667ac6246b84245a6d93448c
  121. # [13:57] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/jgraham/DOMParsing 74e440a James Graham: fixup! Add DOM parsing and serialization tests...
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  145. # [15:22] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] deniak pushed 1 new commit to deniak/ms-audio: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/76c94ab1590c2338fa9779f39770a16bd260cd2b
  146. # [15:22] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/deniak/ms-audio 76c94ab Denis Ah-Kang: convert audio_001 and audio_002 into reftest...
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  149. # [15:44] <Ms2ger> Looks like darobin is around
  150. # [15:46] <darobin> I deny knowledge
  151. # [15:47] <jgraham> darobin is round you say? Must have been a greedy Christmas\
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  153. # [15:48] <darobin> slim, slender, and lissome as always
  154. # [15:51] <Ms2ger> As slim as always?
  155. # [15:51] <Ms2ger> I don't see the contradiction, then
  156. # [15:52] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Now now, play nicely with the other children
  157. # [15:53] <jgraham> darobin: I like your plan :)
  158. # [15:53] <darobin> jgraham: I thought you would :)
  159. # [15:53] <darobin> it's very considerate of you to ping first though
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  161. # [15:54] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham force-pushed jgraham/python_review_2 from d125d7b to 267b600: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commits/jgraham/python_review_2
  162. # [15:54] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/jgraham/python_review_2 a974755 James Graham: Make tests self-hosting...
  163. # [15:54] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/jgraham/python_review_2 f32df52 James Graham: fixup! Make tests self-hosting
  164. # [15:54] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/jgraham/python_review_2 906290f James Graham: fixup! Make tests self-hosting...
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  167. # [16:11] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/234a672d023e8f57f3c78ca129788ca650242cc0
  168. # [16:11] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 234a672 James Graham: Make tests self-hosting...
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  170. # [16:12] <odinho> Partey!
  171. # [16:12] <jgraham> And we're live
  172. # [16:12] <Ms2ger> !
  173. # [16:14] <darobin> wooohoooo!
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  175. # [16:21] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham closed pull request #379: Make tests self-hosting (master...jgraham/python_review_2) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/379
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  178. # [16:34] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham force-pushed jgraham/runner from 3576250 to a097664: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commits/jgraham/runner
  179. # [16:34] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/jgraham/runner a097664 James Graham: Add a test runner and tool for making implementation reports...
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  182. # [16:36] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham opened pull request #495: Add a test runner and tool for making implementation reports (master...jgraham/runner) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/495
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  184. # [16:37] <jgraham> I know you were all mising having code to review
  185. # [16:39] <jgraham> This time there is even lots of javascript just to keep darobin happy
  186. # [16:40] <Ms2ger> How much did you rewrite? :)
  187. # [16:42] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Well. I think you can tell it's still based on the same structure. But quite a lot
  188. # [16:48] <MikeSmith> darobin: we we talking here earlier about deploying of wptserve on w3c-test.org
  189. # [17:13] <darobin> MikeSmith: ah, did you reach any conclusions?
  190. # [17:14] <darobin> I think we just need to break what we have and move on
  191. # [17:14] <plh> you might want to check with Richard
  192. # [17:15] <plh> he might still be using the old framework
  193. # [17:15] <plh> at least, send him a warning :)
  194. # [17:17] <darobin> mmmmm, that is a very good point
  195. # [17:17] <darobin> he almost certainly is
  196. # [17:17] <darobin> crap
  197. # [17:17] <darobin> wptserve might need an option to proxy to Apache :)
  198. # [17:18] <MikeSmith> plh: I will work things out with Richard
  199. # [17:19] <MikeSmith> I think he just wants something that works. he's not wedded to that php thing
  200. # [17:19] <plh> darobin, or Richard might need to figure out how to use wptserve
  201. # [17:19] <darobin> MikeSmith: he needs something that spits out test results that he can then embed
  202. # [17:20] <darobin> plh: it's not just wptserve, he's using the test result data which we don't have running yet
  203. # [17:20] <plh> then, as you suggested, a .htaccess to the old stuff in the meantime might do it
  204. # [17:20] <darobin> plh: .htaccess to the old stuff only works so far as wptserve support .htaccess, which at this point is not at all :)
  205. # [17:21] <MikeSmith> plh: what Richard liked about wptserve was that it let him run the whole test suite and get the results. Ms2ger's testrunner can do that, and jgraham added support to it to generate the results in json so they can be reported
  206. # [17:21] <darobin> I guess we could place a python script that would do the redirecting properly
  207. # [17:21] <plh> yep, I realized that after I wrote it :)
  208. # [17:21] <MikeSmith> darobin: see above
  209. # [17:21] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, hey, I had json results before they were cool :)
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  211. # [17:21] <jgraham> Heh
  212. # [17:21] <MikeSmith> plh: we can run Apache on another port for Richard and others if they cant
  213. # [17:22] <MikeSmith> *want
  214. # [17:22] <plh> yep, that seems the easiest indeed
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  216. # [17:22] <jgraham> Anyway, yeah what I added to Ms2ger's testrunner was basically wptserve support + MANIFEST.json support + different code
  217. # [17:23] <jgraham> I can help Richard if he is interested in migrating
  218. # [17:24] <MikeSmith> OK so tomorrow we can have jgraham do the merge and then I'll start wptserve on w3c-test.org and when other things break I'll deal with the complainents
  219. # [17:26] <darobin> MikeSmith: yes, I was thinking about running Apache on another port, though I think we have to ask the systeam for that
  220. # [17:26] <darobin> MikeSmith: jgraham has done the merge I believe :)
  221. # [17:26] <MikeSmith> ok
  222. # [17:26] <darobin> MikeSmith: let me know when you get started running and fixing, in case I can help
  223. # [17:26] <MikeSmith> ok
  224. # [17:27] <MikeSmith> about other ports I think I have to deal with iptables but don't need systeam to open any, iirc
  225. # [17:28] <MikeSmith> and maybe we have enough ports open already
  226. # [17:28] <jgraham> Are 82 and 83 already open? YOu could use those
  227. # [17:28] <jgraham> wptserve wants 2
  228. # [17:28] <darobin> those are open I believe
  229. # [17:28] <MikeSmith> right yeah I could repurpose those
  230. # [17:28] <darobin> oh, I thought we were using them
  231. # [17:28] <jgraham> (well 2 http, we don't really have a use case for more yet)
  232. # [17:29] <darobin> ah, I thought we had to get upstream approval for ports, i.e. that iptables was not the way to go — but I'm pretty sure you know best :)
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  234. # [17:30] <MikeSmith> darobin: I think we do for systeam-maintained hosts, but w3c-test is still.. special
  235. # [17:32] <darobin> yeah, it's very special :)
  236. # [17:33] <darobin> MikeSmith: I guess this is the right time to ask systeam to reset the machine to their configuration though, no?
  237. # [17:33] <darobin> brett has been wanting to do that
  238. # [17:33] <darobin> it will save us from messy trouble, too
  239. # [17:39] <Hipger> Messy trouble? I can't imagine
  240. # [17:43] <MikeSmith> darobin: yeah I guess it would be the right time
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