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  31. # [06:37] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] deniak pushed 1 new commit to deniak/ms-table: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/ac95d4c31c48a7c36b6e3cf787061d742c48c869
  32. # [06:37] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/deniak/ms-table ac95d4c Denis Ah-Kang: small improvement
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  41. # [08:06] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] deniak pushed 1 new commit to deniak/ms-video: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/ee86ded28960202b16e9b8df9de5ed0754593a99
  42. # [08:06] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/deniak/ms-video ee86ded Denis Ah-Kang: use testharness instead of manual tests
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  48. # [10:16] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] Ms2ger opened pull request #512: Rewrite video_007.htm and remove obsolete copies in old-tests. (master...Update-video-007) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/512
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  53. # [11:05] <Ms2ger> denis, r? ^
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  58. # [11:59] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] deniak closed pull request #483: Move MS tests on caption element (master...deniak/ms-table) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/483
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  61. # [11:59] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] deniak deleted deniak/ms-table at ac95d4c: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/ac95d4c
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  66. # [12:20] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] Ms2ger closed pull request #512: Rewrite video_007.htm and remove obsolete copies in old-tests. (master...Update-video-007) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/512
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  68. # [12:30] <Ms2ger> jgraham, did the file naming conventions get documented somewhere?
  69. # [12:31] <jgraham> Ms2ger: I think they already are on testthewebforward.org
  70. # [12:31] <jgraham> Somewhere
  71. # [12:32] <jgraham> zcorpan_: You should put your "how to write a CSS UI test" thing on there somewhere
  72. # [12:33] <zcorpan_> jgraham: yeah
  73. # [12:36] <jgraham> I think you just need to convert to markdown and make a PR. Shouldn't be too much work
  74. # [12:36] <jgraham> No idea if anyone is actively working on the site though
  75. # [12:37] <jgraham> For example I don't know what tobie's doing these days
  76. # [12:40] <zcorpan_> jgraham: you mean as a blog post?
  77. # [12:40] <zcorpan_> or in docs somewhere?
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  79. # [12:41] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham pushed 1 new commit to jgraham/check_subdomains: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/7f1fbfd80d1ee41d767110e083dfea66f2f5765e
  80. # [12:41] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/jgraham/check_subdomains 7f1fbfd James Graham: fixup! Make it possible to disable the check that subdomains are accessible.
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  82. # [12:41] <Ms2ger> tobie is back to facebook, I hear
  83. # [12:41] <Ms2ger> Maybe rhauck?
  84. # [12:42] <jgraham> zcorpan_: In the docs somewhere
  85. # [12:42] <jgraham> Make it a CSS case study and maybe someone could also do a HTML/DOM case study
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  87. # [12:43] <jgraham> (I could probably write one based on innerHTML for example)
  88. # [12:45] <Ms2ger> "HTMLVideoElement Test For The Global'src' Attribute"
  89. # [12:45] <Ms2ger> "Test passes if a video loads but is not playing, since the default state is paused."
  90. # [12:50] <Ms2ger> jgraham, do we use link rel=match for reftests?
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  92. # [12:51] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/b57f396121ccd420c563777f0634565c296fadb6
  93. # [12:51] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master b57f396 James Graham: Make it possible to disable the check that subdomains are accessible.
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  95. # [12:51] <gsnedders> Ms2ger: I believe not.
  96. # [12:51] <gsnedders> However, don't trust my beliefs. :)
  97. # [12:52] <jgraham> Ms2ger: code says yes
  98. # [12:53] <Ms2ger> Ok, ta
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  100. # [12:55] <jgraham> There are 4 ways to indicate a reftest (two, each with two variants); the existence of a file with the same name as the test but the suffix -ref or _ref, a <link rel=match> or a <link rel=mismatch>
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  103. # [13:03] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] Ms2ger opened pull request #513: Replace video_000.htm and duplicates by a reftest. (master...Update-video-000) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/513
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  105. # [13:03] <Ms2ger> denis, r? ^
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  107. # [13:09] <denis> Ms2ger, ok, I'll check that in a bit
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  109. # [13:12] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] Ms2ger closed pull request #453: Add tests for the base element (master...xiaojunwu/the-link-base-element) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/453
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  111. # [13:15] <Ms2ger> Oh wow
  112. # [13:16] <Ms2ger> Apparently I've got 798 commits in w-p-t, and the next has 126
  113. # [13:20] <Ms2ger> plh++
  114. # [13:41] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: and those 126 commits from finnie all just came from me merging the existing ITS testsuite repo into the "conformance-checkers" subtree
  115. # [13:41] <MikeSmith> so plh is really your main competition
  116. # [13:42] <Ms2ger> Ah, ArtB is here
  117. # [13:42] <MikeSmith> I bet plh'll close up that 500+ commits gap pretty quickly
  118. # [13:43] <Ms2ger> I'm all for!
  119. # [13:43] <MikeSmith> there's gotta be come more old DOM tests around somewhere...
  120. # [13:43] <MikeSmith> he could commit them one at a time
  121. # [13:43] * ArtB Ms2ger: your ring?
  122. # [13:44] <Ms2ger> ArtB, I noticed your PRs to add README.md files to some dirs, but I don't really see the point of them
  123. # [13:44] <Ms2ger> Want to convince me otherwise? :)
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  125. # [13:45] <ArtB> ms2ger, would you please clarify the harm?
  126. # [13:47] <Ms2ger> Well, harm... I just don't know why you'd need them
  127. # [13:52] <ArtB> I think the ones I created are useful ;)
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  129. # [14:05] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] Ms2ger closed pull request #513: Replace video_000.htm and duplicates by a reftest. (master...Update-video-000) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/513
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  132. # [14:05] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] Ms2ger pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/compare/3961b65a1f8c...f7abd19d5864
  133. # [14:05] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master a7ce1ca Ms2ger: Replace video_000.htm and duplicates by a reftest.
  134. # [14:05] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master f7abd19 Ms2ger: Merge pull request #513 from Ms2ger/Update-video-000...
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  143. # [15:13] <jgraham> MikeSmith: What setup did you want for the web-platform-tests? The server to bind to an ip address and to have a seperately specified hostname?
  144. # [15:13] <jgraham> Or did it not matter to you in the end?
  145. # [15:14] <Ms2ger> Number of open PRs over time: http://i.imgur.com/OQB49fe.png
  146. # [15:15] <jgraham> Are those spikes ttwf events?
  147. # [15:15] <jgraham> I see a small one for Shenzhen, perhaps
  148. # [15:16] <Ms2ger> The big spike in April is the webapps integration, I think
  149. # [15:19] <Ms2ger> June is probably the Tokyo one
  150. # [15:19] <jgraham> Yes, I think so
  151. # [15:22] * Ms2ger tries to plot those too
  152. # [15:23] <jgraham> (which plotting library is this?)
  153. # [15:23] <Ms2ger> matplotlib
  154. # [15:24] <Ms2ger> It was the only thing that came up when I googled :)
  155. # [15:24] <jgraham> Yeah, it's a good library. Not the easiest API
  156. # [15:37] <Ms2ger> With testtwf events marked: http://i.imgur.com/VJ7YpvQ.png
  157. # [15:37] <Ms2ger> Looks like Seattle wasn't much of a success by that metric
  158. # [15:39] <astearns> I don't remember which TestTWF we started using PRs
  159. # [15:39] <astearns> I do recall a large number of pointer event tests from Seattle
  160. # [15:40] <Ms2ger> Oh, maybe they came in later
  161. # [15:40] <jgraham> If people mostly did CSS tests that won't show up
  162. # [15:41] <Ms2ger> Hmm
  163. # [15:41] <jgraham> And "number of PRs" isn't a good metric anyway (I would much rather get 1PR with 10 useful tests than 10 PRs with 1 useless test each)
  164. # [15:41] <Ms2ger> Yeah, absolutely
  165. # [15:41] <Ms2ger> I just noticed this quote from Molly: "Moar #testtwf please! It was the first time I have in my career witnessed companies, @w3c and individuals work together."
  166. # [15:41] <jgraham> Or even 1 PR with 1 useful test
  167. # [15:42] <Ms2ger> That doesn't sound so positive about the standards process
  168. # [15:42] <astearns> I'd be OK with one new person contributing to the test effort over time
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  171. # [15:43] <Ms2ger> I wouldn't suggest setting that as a personal goal if you want your manager to be happy ;)
  172. # [15:44] <jgraham> "much rather" is a preference, not an absolute goal
  173. # [15:45] <Ms2ger> jgraham, anyway, it is a useful metric for the review process, I guess :/
  174. # [15:45] <jgraham> If we are getting 1 useful test from a few hundred people we are obviously doing things wrong. But it's still better than any number of useless tests
  175. # [15:45] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Yup, it is clear that review is still a huge problem
  176. # [15:46] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, w3c-test isn't updating?
  177. # [15:46] <Ms2ger> My changes to http://w3c-test.org/web-platform-tests/master/html/semantics/embedded-content-0/the-video-element/ don't seem to be there
  178. # [15:50] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: dunno why
  179. # [15:50] <MikeSmith> will check the error log now
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  181. # [15:50] <Ms2ger> Ta
  182. # [15:52] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: I see "HEAD is now at cb5dd9c... Merge pull request #107 from scottgonzalez/submissions/jquery" near the tail of the log
  183. # [15:54] <MikeSmith> and I see some long "mSections: Sections Object" blah blah error after that
  184. # [15:54] <MikeSmith> PHP error I guess
  185. # [15:55] <jgraham> Ms2ger: https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/statistics fwiw
  186. # [15:57] <jgraham> That is for all repos
  187. # [15:58] <jgraham> For w-p-t alone I see https://pastebin.mozilla.org/4012473 for number of comments
  188. # [15:58] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: I don't see any obvious reasons why it's failing but I need to take a break for a couple hours
  189. # [15:59] <MikeSmith> so probably won't manage to get it figured out and fixed til tomorrow
  190. # [16:01] <Ms2ger> OK, ta
  191. # [16:20] <AutomatedTester> wilhelm: when are you in town?
  192. # [16:30] <gsnedders> I should go to London at some point...
  193. # [16:34] <jgraham> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/4012555
  194. # [16:34] <jgraham> In which we learn that zcorpan does all the work
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  199. # [16:57] <Ms2ger> That doesn't surprise me
  200. # [16:58] <Ms2ger> jgraham, well, zcorpan and you :)
  201. # [16:59] <Ms2ger> And I complain a lot more, comparing to lines reviewed
  202. # [17:04] <jgraham> Well zcorpan has reviewed more lines of code than everyone else put together
  203. # [17:05] <jgraham> (these statistics can be misleading if someone does a large review of a mechanical change)
  204. # [17:05] <gsnedders> And I just submit PRs and never touch them again
  205. # [17:05] <jgraham> (and I didn't include lines removed)
  206. # [17:05] <Ms2ger> gsnedders, yes you do!
  207. # [17:07] <Ms2ger> Mm, I have 4.74 issues/kloc
  208. # [17:08] <Ms2ger> Interestingly, jgraham's comments are twice as long as mine
  209. # [17:08] <AutomatedTester> yay I am the 4th highest reviewer
  210. # [17:09] <Ms2ger> AutomatedTester, quick, overtake me :)
  211. # [17:10] <AutomatedTester> Ms2ger: I will review jgraham's next mammoth patch
  212. # [17:11] <jgraham> Not sure I have another big patch in the works that will land via critic
  213. # [17:11] <Ms2ger> https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/9 ?
  214. # [17:11] <jgraham> But yeah, there are plenty of reviews to do if you want to get your numbers up ;)
  215. # [17:12] <Ms2ger> Wow, SimonSapin can complain... 41.98 issues/kloc
  216. # [17:13] <jgraham> I'm not 100% sure those numbers are right :)
  217. # [17:14] <jgraham> (and they don't mean much if you aren't a reviewer)
  218. # [17:14] <jgraham> (you could review 0 lines of code and still raise issues)
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  221. # [17:31] <SimonSapin> ?
  222. # [17:32] <Ms2ger> SimonSapin, https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/statistics
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  224. # [17:32] <SimonSapin> is that issue raised by line reviewed?
  225. # [17:33] <SimonSapin> that doesn’t make any sense
  226. # [17:35] <jgraham> SimonSapin: Per 1000 lines reviewed
  227. # [17:35] <SimonSapin> still
  228. # [17:35] <SimonSapin> the two are not really related
  229. # [17:36] <jgraham> SimonSapin: I don't think you should read too much into it, especially for outliers, but it is a little bit interesting
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  236. # [18:19] <gsnedders> Ms2ger: Why would I fix review issues? :P
  237. # [18:19] <Ms2ger> gsnedders, because you're such a nice guy!
  238. # [18:19] <gsnedders> Ms2ger: I am?
  239. # [18:22] <jgraham> Which part are you disputing? "nice", "guy" or both?
  240. # [18:22] <Ms2ger> Apologies, nice entity
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  242. # [18:26] <gsnedders> jgraham: I dunno, I typically treat "guy" as neuter, so only really "nice".
  243. # [18:27] * Ms2ger wonders if MoCo would contract gsnedders to fix his tests
  244. # [18:28] <gsnedders> I don't have the time, sadly, even if they would.
  245. # [18:28] <gsnedders> (Besides, I think none of them are my tests.)
  246. # [18:28] <gsnedders> (A lot of them are jgraham's!)
  247. # [18:28] <Ms2ger> Not even the relList ones?
  248. # [18:29] <gsnedders> sof's.
  249. # [18:29] <Ms2ger> Headhunting sof is next on the list, then, I guess
  250. # [18:29] <gsnedders> He does seem to be back to working on browser engines, at least
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  252. # [18:33] <gsnedders> (I will eventually get around to helping with cleaning them up. But someone else might first. I live in hope.)
  253. # [18:34] <gsnedders> :)
  254. # [18:41] <jgraham> No you don't, you live in Glasgow
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