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- # [07:41] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] deniak closed pull request #383: Add some cases for bdo element (master...xiaojunwu/the-bdo-time-element) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/383
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- # [07:41] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] deniak reopened pull request #383: Add some cases for bdo element (master...xiaojunwu/the-bdo-time-element) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/383
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- # [09:39] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] hayatoito pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/compare/a5ac4116d3a4...00f52c1b8bb9
- # [09:39] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 827a2b6 KenjiBaheux: Nits...
- # [09:39] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 00f52c1 Hayato Ito: Merge pull request #592 from KenjiBaheux/nits-navigation-tests...
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- # [09:42] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] hayatoito closed pull request #593: Adjusted queryselector to operate on the SR (master...fixed-queryselector-in-styles-test) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/593
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- # [09:42] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] hayatoito closed pull request #594: Rewritten to follow the latest spec (master...updated-test-athost) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/594
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- # [09:42] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] hayatoito pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/compare/6155384cd104...cfb6aa5bf8af
- # [09:42] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 55ee19e KenjiBaheux: Rewritten to follow the latest spec...
- # [09:42] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master cfb6aa5 Hayato Ito: Merge pull request #594 from KenjiBaheux/updated-test-athost...
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- # [09:43] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] hayatoito closed pull request #595: Obsolete (master...obsolete-select) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/595
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- # [09:53] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] KenjiBaheux closed pull request #596: Removed athost tests (master...removed-athost-tests) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/596
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- # [10:02] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] KenjiBaheux closed pull request #597: Updated from distributed to content (master...updated-from-distributed-to-content) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/597
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- # [10:09] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] KenjiBaheux opened pull request #615: Removed athost tests (master...removing-athost-tests) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/615
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- # [10:17] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] KenjiBaheux opened pull request #616: Updated distributed to content (master...updated-distributed-to-content) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/616
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- # [10:18] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] hayatoito closed pull request #600: Removed incorrect test (master...incorrect-test-for-always-stopped-events) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/600
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- # [10:18] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] hayatoito pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/compare/bb4f60a74f39...dced7218cb86
- # [10:18] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 949a067 KenjiBaheux: Removed incorrect test...
- # [10:18] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master dced721 Hayato Ito: Merge pull request #600 from KenjiBaheux/incorrect-test-for-always-stopped-events...
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- # [10:18] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] hayatoito closed pull request #601: Obsolete tests (master...remove-custom-pseudo-element-tests) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/601
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- # [10:18] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] hayatoito pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/compare/dced7218cb86...450beed54fe1
- # [10:18] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master d8f1b55 KenjiBaheux: Obsolete tests...
- # [10:18] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 450beed Hayato Ito: Merge pull request #601 from KenjiBaheux/remove-custom-pseudo-element-tests...
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- # [10:46] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] zqzhang pushed 6 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/compare/450beed54fe1...0b59aa20f4bf
- # [10:46] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master edc8e72 xiaojunwu: Add some cases for the embed element...
- # [10:46] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 8d1b656 Zhiqiang Zhang: Refine tests for the embed element...
- # [10:46] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 9cc8fe5 xiaojunwu: Update according to the new template...
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- # [11:38] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] Ms2ger force-pushed pr/291 from bffe18b to 827609d: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commits/pr/291
- # [11:38] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/pr/291 827609d Junchen Xia: Add tests for the FileReader interface.
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- # [11:39] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] Ms2ger closed pull request #563: FileAPI FileReader interface tests added. (master...pr/291) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/563
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- # [11:43] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] Ms2ger closed pull request #472: Add tests for document base URL (master...submission/xiaojunwu/document-base-url) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/472
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- # [15:38] <AutomatedTester> darobin: hey, how do I link to IDL in respec
- # [15:39] <AutomatedTester> I can't see it in your example page
- # [15:39] <darobin> AutomatedTester: fields get pretty predictable anchor names, it depends on the link type
- # [15:40] <darobin> the easiest thing is to peek at the generated DOM :)
- # [15:40] <AutomatedTester> ok
- # [15:41] <AutomatedTester> oh, an empty <a> tag
- # [15:42] <darobin> mmmm
- # [15:42] <darobin> AutomatedTester: it generates two things, <dfn>s and <a>s
- # [15:42] <darobin> in the case of <a>, if there is no <dfn> with the matching ID, nothing gets generated
- # [15:43] <darobin> well, no href
- # [15:43] <AutomatedTester> thats what I meant by empty, there are no attributes
- # [15:43] <AutomatedTester> sorry
- # [15:45] <darobin> AutomatedTester: yeah, that's what I understood
- # [15:45] <darobin> AutomatedTester: the above ought to give you the info needed to figure it out
- # [15:45] <darobin> (or there's a bug)
- # [15:45] <darobin> if you give me a pointer I can look
- # [15:46] <AutomatedTester> darobin: let me hunt for you, so I can understand this more :)
- # [15:47] * darobin isn't sure he's comfortable being hunted for
- # [15:47] * Ms2ger steps up behind darobin
- # [15:47] <Yves> dahut hunting is always fun
- # [15:48] <darobin> you have to know how, though
- # [15:48] <darobin> I'm not sure Ms2ger or AutomatedTester do
- # [15:48] <darobin> thankfully
- # [15:48] <Ms2ger> Ehehehehe
- # [15:48] * darobin hears a strange chuckle in the shadows behind him
- # [15:49] * jgraham doesn't know what "dahut hunting" is, but hopes that it is like "Duck Hunt
- # [15:49] <jgraham> "
- # [15:50] <darobin> brought to you from the Internet's Antiquity: http://berjon.com/dahut.txt
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- # [15:55] <jgraham> Oh you worked on XML in Perl? I wondered where the brain damage came from, but now I understand everything ;)
- # [15:56] <darobin> jgraham: http://search.cpan.org/~rberjon/ :)
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- # [15:57] <jgraham> And now you have been assigned to work on W3C HTML as pennance? Karma's a bitch I guess
- # [15:57] <jgraham> Sorry HTML 5.x
- # [15:57] <jgraham> Needs more versions
- # [15:58] <darobin> no
- # [15:58] <darobin> the Perl-XML stuff actually helped a lot of people use XML without the pain
- # [15:58] <AutomatedTester> orly
- # [15:58] <darobin> in fact, one of those modules is still to this day in the top ten most depended upon on CPAN
- # [15:58] <AutomatedTester> XML without pain, thats a first
- # [15:59] <darobin> working on HTML.whevs is penance for deeds far, far darker
- # [16:00] <jgraham> If you're already using perl, "without the pain" is an oxymoron
- # [16:00] <Ms2ger> That perl poetry contest?
- # [16:00] <darobin> ooooh, look at the python kids, how quaint
- # [16:00] <darobin> bitching and yet they can't even get strings or variable scoping right
- # [16:01] <darobin> Ms2ger: far, far darker
- # [16:01] <Ms2ger> There's anything darker?
- # [16:01] <AutomatedTester> darobin: variable scoping isnt right in python?
- # [16:01] <AutomatedTester> strings, I will give you that one
- # [16:01] <darobin> Ms2ger: your mom's
- # [16:01] <AutomatedTester> well, at least pre py3
- # [16:01] * darobin runs, runs, runs
- # [16:01] <jgraham> darobin: The difference is that finding design flaws in perl is like finding hay in a haystack
- # [16:02] <wilhelm> I thought the pain of XML was intentional. Like religious self-flagellation.
- # [16:02] <Ms2ger> Nah, that's just rdf
- # [16:02] <AutomatedTester> Ms2ger: ++
- # [16:03] <jgraham> RDF/XML is martyrdom?
- # [16:04] <Ms2ger> If used for a blog feed
- # [16:04] <wilhelm> There are degrees here. RDF is like crucifixion. Popular only in collectives of brain-damaged zealots.
- # [16:04] <Ms2ger> Heyo!
- # [16:04] <Ms2ger> Don't want to offend the collectives of brain-damaged zealots.
- # [16:06] <jgraham> I'm not sure there's many people who *like* crucifixion. So it's not exactly popular. Just righteous (especially when it's happening to someone else)
- # [16:06] <wilhelm> I have worked with it. I'm scarred for life. We salvaged the data, and then torched the devilry that had possessed it.
- # [16:07] <Ms2ger> wilhelm, oh, that explains what happened to the tests in that repo
- # [16:09] <jgraham> Oh, I just realised I had something not entirely useless to say
- # [16:09] <Ms2ger> Oh?
- # [16:10] <jgraham> Could W3C submit an application to GSOC to get people working on web-platform-tests?
- # [16:10] <jgraham> Looks like there are another ~4 days before the deadline
- # [16:11] <jgraham> We would need to get together a list of project ideas, but that doesn't seem too difficult
- # [16:11] <jgraham> darobin, MikeSmith, plh^
- # [16:14] <jgraham> could either do test writing as a project or some infrastructure work.
- # [16:14] <jgraham> (I suggest that if anyone thinks this is a good idea we propose both kinds of project)
- # [16:15] <Ms2ger> ++
- # [16:18] <Ms2ger> denis, ^
- # [16:18] <AutomatedTester> darobin: <a> works perfectly
- # [16:18] <Ms2ger> jgraham, you should put it on Mozilla's list too ;)
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- # [16:19] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Yeah, that might also work
- # [16:20] <Ms2ger> Worth a try :)
- # [16:20] <Ms2ger> Maybe plinss could mentor a project to move css :)
- # [16:20] <jgraham> I think it would be better to do it through W3C if they are happy to be the sponsoring organisation though. External people could be mentors ofc
- # [16:20] <jgraham> That might not be such a bad idea?
- # [16:21] <jgraham> Started an ideas pad at https://etherpad.mozilla.org/GBHx8UkC9k
- # [16:24] * Ms2ger doubts if "review the loading-web-pages PR" meets Google's criteria
- # [16:25] <jgraham> "student must not want to kill themselves after first day"?
- # [16:27] <Ms2ger> Something something have a list of tests embedded into the spec
- # [16:27] <jgraham> Ooooh
- # [16:27] <jgraham> Yeah
- # [16:28] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Do you know where the Mozilla project page is?
- # [16:29] * jgraham finds it
- # [16:29] <Ms2ger> https://wiki.mozilla.org/SummerOfCode#2014?
- # [16:35] <AutomatedTester> jgraham: let me know if you want to get something submitted
- # [16:35] <jgraham> AutomatedTester: Sure
- # [16:35] <AutomatedTester> so we can get the A-Team ones submitted at the same time
- # [16:37] <jgraham> AutomatedTester: Yep, I was talking to jgriffin about a structured logging related one on Friday
- # [16:37] <AutomatedTester> ok cool!
- # [16:45] <darobin> jgraham: yes, actually I think we've done it before — no idea how it works though
- # [16:45] <darobin> plh: you reading this?
- # [16:46] <darobin> AutomatedTester: good to hear that things are working as expected :)
- # [16:47] * plh will read in 2 minute
- # [16:49] * plh tunes in
- # [16:49] <plh> re GSOC, yes, we could do this
- # [16:49] <plh> we did in the past
- # [16:52] <plh> re infrastructure work, would be nice to interface the tests into saucelabs
- # [16:52] <plh> tobie wanted to do it but never got the time
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- # [16:52] <plh> another tool is better assessment/reports of what we have in the test repo, ie number of tests/specs, etc.
- # [16:53] <plh> what else do we we need on the infrastrcuture side?
- # [16:54] <jgraham> Well there is a little bit of work to do with the web driver tests, but not enough that I can think of a 10ish week project
- # [16:54] <jgraham> AutomatedTester might have some ideas there though
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- # [16:59] <jgraham> plh: re: storing browser results, I think we should cache them, rather than store them as such. In particular what I would like to see is browser vendors provide a URL containing a JSON file with the results for web-platform-tests in their latest build (or something like that). Then we would pull that in and use it to present data
- # [17:00] <jgraham> That's kind of project 2 on the list
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- # [17:01] <plh> ah ok
- # [17:02] <jgraham> plh: Can you deal with the paperwork? I suggest we set up a wiki page with a "final" list of projects. The rest of the steps are at http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page#1._How_does_a_mentoring_organization
- # [17:02] <plh> yes, I'm happy to deal with the paperwork
- # [17:02] <jgraham> Great :)
- # [17:02] <plh> I'll get on it this afternoon
- # [17:06] <jgraham> rhauck: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/GBHx8UkC9k <- any ideas? Needs to be code related (and preferably something that someone specific could mentor. At least we need to have a specific mentor for each project by the end of the week)
- # [17:08] <plh> re JSON file, I'd like the possibility to get more than on JSON file per per browser btw, to allow to various versions, devices, etc.
- # [17:08] <plh> s/various to/various for/
- # [17:09] <jgraham> Sure, I think the JSON file will have to have some sort of version identifier in it, and yes, more than one per browser
- # [17:10] <jgraham> There is a certain amount to work out there, but we can experiment using the in-repo test runner, which ought to be adapted to output the same format
- # [17:10] <jgraham> So I don't think the project heavily depends on upstream work happening
- # [17:10] <plh> agreed
- # [17:14] * plh launched an internal query to figure if someone is already doing some of the paperwork
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- # [17:28] <AutomatedTester> jgraham: plh: I dont know the complexity of the tests
- # [17:28] <AutomatedTester> it could take a couple days to get the first test for a section done and subsequent ones done in hours
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- # [18:07] <plh> btw, I was sick for the past few days but I'm hoping folks saw https://github.com/operasoftware/presto-testo already
- # [18:08] <plh> some did
- # [18:08] <plh> (ie, as usual, ms2ger is way ahead :)
- # [18:08] <Ms2ger> :)
- # [18:13] * gsnedders sends his first PR to it :)
- # [18:13] <gsnedders> (A quickly written, rough, readme for opjsunit)
- # [18:17] <Ms2ger> The idea was to remove stuff from it ;)
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- # [18:19] <plh> indeed, the idea is to harvest the repo and move the tests to web-platform-tests
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- # [18:27] <gsnedders> Ms2ger: Problem is that opjsunit has very different goals to test262, so there's nowhere obvious for it to move. :(
- # [18:28] <gsnedders> Practically it's just going to have to live on its own, probably split out into another repo. But hopefully some sort of documentation can motivate people to do... something
- # [18:32] <jgraham> I don't know how much of opjsunit is still useful
- # [18:32] <jgraham> Someone should maybe run it against some js shells and see if it finds any bugs
- # [18:54] <gsnedders> It did in August at least.
- # [18:55] <gsnedders> Because at least the other two large testsuites scarcely test JIT behaviour.
- # [18:55] <gsnedders> (Except on V8, obviously)
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- # [19:19] <rhauck> jgraham: sorry for the late response. i only added a comment about merging the css repo.
- # [19:19] <rhauck> jgraham: added it to the doc
- # [19:19] <Ms2ger> And you're wrong on that ;)
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- # [20:22] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] sideshowbarker pushed 7 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/compare/0f8556c41432...ea8748eff4a8
- # [20:22] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 388454d Michael[tm] Smith: cc Drop xml:id instances from some test cases.
- # [20:22] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 14053b2 Michael[tm] Smith: cc Bring old <figure> test case up to date.
- # [20:22] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 8a3ad9a Michael[tm] Smith: cc Reduce invalid test case to just one error.
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- # [20:59] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] foolip opened pull request #617: Add a test for an edge case resource selection invocation in Blink (master...video-insert-other-doc-with-src) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/617
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- # [21:26] <AutomatedTester> darobin: yt?
- # [21:26] <AutomatedTester> or anyone else who might be able to answer a respec question ;)
- # [21:27] <darobin> AutomatedTester: nope, sorry, was just writing down some notes but I'm heading back to bed (baby seelp deprived...)
- # [21:27] <darobin> okm make it fast
- # [21:27] <darobin> :)
- # [21:27] <AutomatedTester> if I have an idl const and want to link to it
- # [21:27] <AutomatedTester> do I just manually do it
- # [21:27] <AutomatedTester> or is there a special thing, e.g. <a>foo</a> thing to do
- # [21:28] <darobin> AutomatedTester: you just manually link to it
- # [21:28] <AutomatedTester> ok cool
- # [21:28] * plh expects this discussion to derail on the merits of IDL, using constants, and using Promises instead anyway
- # [21:28] <AutomatedTester> plh: only if Ms2ger joins in :)
- # [21:28] <darobin> AutomatedTester: I'm interested in new ideas for IDL support in ReSpec; please don't hesitate to email me if you have any
- # [21:29] * darobin trots back off to sleep
- # [21:29] <Ms2ger> AutomatedTester, so why are you using constants?
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- # [21:30] <AutomatedTester> I said constants but its not, it was the first thing that I remembered. I suspect this section is wrong anyway ;)
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- # [21:31] <AutomatedTester> Ms2ger: its https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webdriver/raw-file/tip/webdriver-spec.html#response-1, I think it should really be a dictionary
- # [21:32] <Ms2ger> I don't see a constant?
- # [21:32] <AutomatedTester> you know how I said "I said constants but its not"
- # [21:33] <Ms2ger> "There is no requirement that implementations of Command and Response exhibit any behaviour: they MAY be simple data structures."
- # [21:33] <Ms2ger> Wat
- # [21:33] <AutomatedTester> Ms2ger: you arent supposed to read it yet
- # [21:33] <Ms2ger> wfm
- # [21:33] * AutomatedTester is buying a job lot of red pens
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- # [22:14] <AutomatedTester> Ms2ger: I am having a number of "lol wat" moments in my own spec
- # [22:14] <Ms2ger> No comment :)
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