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  10. # [00:37] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] ajklein opened pull request #624: Update template contents owner tests to match spec changes (master...template-owner-document) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/624
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  37. # [06:10] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] deniak pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/ebe6b28613582c2415b75fdee79515eb73b322d6
  38. # [06:10] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master ebe6b28 xiaojunwu: Add tests for focus navigation...
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  41. # [06:11] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] deniak closed pull request #486: Add tests for focus navigation (master...submission/xiaojunwu/focus-tabindex) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/486
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  45. # [06:23] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] deniak closed pull request #18: Add section tests (master...submission/dzenana.t) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/18
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  48. # [06:23] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] deniak reopened pull request #18: Add section tests (master...submission/dzenana.t) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/18
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  55. # [06:36] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] deniak pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/436fc3ad89975382a9a6e5f066ee17bc95d08afa
  56. # [06:36] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 436fc3a xiaojunwu: Add some cases for the bdo element...
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  59. # [06:37] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] deniak closed pull request #383: Add some cases for bdo element (master...xiaojunwu/the-bdo-time-element) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/383
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  67. # [07:08] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] deniak closed pull request #197: new test files from TestTWF (master...submissions/stakaya) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/197
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  75. # [07:45] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] foolip opened pull request #625: Delete and move media tests (master...delete-move-media) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/625
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  79. # [08:32] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] deniak pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/1ddb3ba999ad4ca71174b9a9c3a3189a9051d2f6
  80. # [08:32] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 1ddb3ba Denis Ah-Kang: move TTWF tests
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  83. # [08:32] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] deniak closed pull request #572: move TTWF tests (master...ttfw-paris) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/572
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  91. # [09:27] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] xiaojunwu opened pull request #626: Fix a bug of the form controls validation test (master...submission/xiaojunwu/form-validation) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/626
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  95. # [09:30] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] deniak closed pull request #626: Fix a bug of the form controls validation test (master...submission/xiaojunwu/form-validation) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/626
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  99. # [09:32] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] Ms2ger closed pull request #625: Delete and move media tests (master...delete-move-media) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/625
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  102. # [09:32] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] Ms2ger pushed 6 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/compare/e92bb74dec38...af2844847db6
  103. # [09:32] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 36ba637 Philip Jägenstedt: Remove duplicated audio autoplay test...
  104. # [09:32] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master aa42496 Philip Jägenstedt: Remove redundant HTMLMediaElement IDL tests...
  105. # [09:32] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 03d9041 Philip Jägenstedt: Remove duplicated video tests...
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  109. # [09:49] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] dontcallmedom opened pull request #627: mediacapture-streams updates from spec (master...master) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/627
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  113. # [09:56] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] Ms2ger closed pull request #627: mediacapture-streams updates from spec (master...master) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/627
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  118. # [10:14] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] dontcallmedom opened pull request #628: mediacapture-streams updates from spec (master...getusermedia_update) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/628
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  121. # [10:21] * Ms2ger changes topic to 'Testing the Web Platform | http://testthewebforward.org | PR Count: 121 (2014-02-12)'
  122. # [10:21] <Ms2ger> dom, thanks :)
  123. # [10:21] <dom> well, sorry for the noise in the first place :)
  124. # [10:21] <Ms2ger> On an unrelated note, I'll try to reply about geolocation soonish
  125. # [10:22] <dom> oh great, thx!
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  136. # [12:19] <dom> what's the policy (if any) regarding web-platform-tests and vendor prefixes?
  137. # [12:21] <jgraham> "die in a fire"
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  140. # [12:25] <dom> let me be more explicit: do we accept tests that try to accommodate several vendor prefixes?
  141. # [12:25] <Ms2ger> No
  142. # [12:26] <Ms2ger> There's a review checklist on testthewebforward.org somewhere that says that, I think
  143. # [12:28] <denis> http://testthewebforward.org/docs/review-checklist.html
  144. # [12:28] <dom> "The test does not use proprietary features (vendor-prefixed or otherwise)."
  145. # [12:28] <dom> that's a tad ambiguous, though
  146. # [12:28] <dom> anyway, I'll take your word for it that we reject them :)
  147. # [12:28] <jgraham> We do
  148. # [12:28] <Ms2ger> Feel free to make it less ambiguous :)
  149. # [12:29] <zcorpan> dom: you can check that vendor prefixes are *not* supported :-)
  150. # [12:29] <jgraham> I thought my first answer was pretty unambiguous :)
  151. # [12:29] <Ms2ger> Is there a way to accommodate vendor prefixes without using them?
  152. # [12:29] <jgraham> The point of tetss is to test things, not to give a false sense of interop by combining proprietary features in just the right way
  153. # [12:30] <dom> right; at the same time, it makes the tests unusable until the prefixes go away
  154. # [12:30] <zcorpan> Ms2ger: maybe not all vendor-prefixed things are considered proprietary?
  155. # [12:30] <jgraham> zcorpan: did you mean me?
  156. # [12:31] <zcorpan> i was replying to Ms2ger "Is there a way to accommodate vendor prefixes without using them?"
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  159. # [12:31] <jgraham> Oh
  160. # [12:31] <jgraham> Then I don't understand your reply :)
  161. # [12:32] <jgraham> But I guess it is theoretically possible that everyone would decide to support the same vendor-prefixed thing for legacy reasons
  162. # [12:32] <Ms2ger> Aren't vendor-prefixed things proprietary by definition?
  163. # [12:32] <jgraham> In which case it would be standard
  164. # [12:32] <jgraham> That almost happened with some CSS stuff
  165. # [12:32] <jgraham> But I don't think it has ever actually happened?
  166. # [12:33] <Ms2ger> I think maybe presto implemented webkit things, and then died?
  167. # [12:33] <zcorpan> what did ie do?
  168. # [12:33] <jgraham> Implemented webkit things and then retracted the implementation due to pressure from people without a good grap of the history of the web iirc
  169. # [12:34] <jgraham> *grasp
  170. # [12:35] <zcorpan> that was the first round, before presto implemented webkit. i thought maybe they tried again after that?
  171. # [12:35] <jgraham> Dunno
  172. # [12:35] <Ms2ger> Anyway
  173. # [12:37] <jgraham> Yeah, simple rule is: take your nasty vendor prefixes elsewhere
  174. # [12:37] <Ms2ger> If it's not in a spec, don't use it
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  178. # [12:52] <dom> still, I think I'll have a lot more difficulties getting people to review test cases in my WGs if they can't run them because no un-prefixed versions of the APIs are available yet
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  180. # [12:53] <dom> I would prefer an approach where test cases that use vendor prefixes get flagged rather than rejected
  181. # [12:53] <jgraham> We don't have a mechanism for flagging tests
  182. # [12:53] <jgraham> Down that road lies madness/CSS
  183. # [12:54] <jgraham> I really think we want to avoid building out lots of custom infrastructure for storing the tests and metadata about the tests and whatever
  184. # [12:55] <jgraham> So far we have managed with off the shelf vcs/code review/etc., in-file metadata for the few cases where it is really needed and nothing else
  185. # [12:56] <jgraham> The only significant custom parts are for running the tests, but I think so far that is looking like a big win
  186. # [12:56] <dom> well, a simple convention e.g. "PREFIX" in a comment would work here, wouldn't it?
  187. # [12:56] <dom> I see some existing tests have "FIXME"; could use that instead
  188. # [12:57] <jgraham> what are these APIs that people are prefixing rather than putting behind a flag anyway? I thought we agreed to stop doing that
  189. # [12:58] <jgraham> dom: Well I wouldn't want to run these tests, so it would have to be something that could be included in the manifest
  190. # [12:58] <jgraham> So a simple comment wouldn't cut it
  191. # [12:58] <dom> ah, I see
  192. # [12:58] <jgraham> This is sounding like a lot of work for something that people shouldn't do anymore
  193. # [12:58] <dom> re which APIs, all the ones which have been started before that new flag policy got "adopted"
  194. # [12:59] <dom> (e.g. vibration, webrtc, getusermedia, …)
  195. # [13:00] <dom> it sounds like we may need two main branches; "sooper dooper" and "pragmatic crap" or something
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  197. # [13:01] <jgraham> So you can certainly create a branch and have the WG use that branch.
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  199. # [13:01] <jgraham> You could even fork the repo, accept prefixes in your fork, and I can set you up with critic for that fork, if you like
  200. # [13:02] <jgraham> Then, when you are ready to go prefixless, we could merge back into the main repo and delete your fork
  201. # [13:03] <dom> that sounds good, but then it gets harder for others to discover that there already exist tests on a given spec
  202. # [13:03] <dom> (e.g. in TTFW)
  203. # [13:05] <jgraham> Well if we don't have any accepted tests for these specs, you could add a placeholder README file pointing to the branch/repo containing the prefixed tests
  204. # [13:05] <dom> that makes sense. Thanks, I'll see if I run with this
  205. # [13:05] <dom> s/run/can run/
  206. # [13:07] <jgraham> I guess the other option that I might be OK with would be to isolate the use of prefixes to a specified list of top level directories, and isolate the use of prefixes within those directories to a few specific locations
  207. # [13:09] <jgraham> So if it's possible to have a single script file that does if (!standardThing) {window.standardThing = window.prefixStandardThing} so that there is only one change to make in the future, and the tests can be written purely against the standard
  208. # [13:18] <dom> I would certainly prefer that approach
  209. # [13:19] <dom> thinking some more of the fork option, I would lose the benefits of getting auto-checkouts on w3c-test.org, the use of wptserver, etc
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  211. # [13:23] <jgraham> Well let's see how clean you can make it
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  213. # [13:26] <jgraham> I think if ('usePrefixes=1' in location.search) {if (!standardThing) {standardThing = prefixStandardThing}} in an external script file would be a level of clean I could live with. That would allow people to run the tests locally to ensure they worked, but make the default behaviour be to not used the proprietary version
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  216. # [13:39] <AutomatedTester> wilhelm: ping: want to discuss f2f when you're around
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  219. # [13:43] <Ms2ger`> dom, I would prefer if your WG didn't support vendor prefixing :)
  220. # [13:44] <AutomatedTester> vendor prefixing for the ...
  221. # [13:44] <dom> yeah, everybody would, but that's water under the bridge at this point
  222. # [13:45] <dom> (i.e. the APIs have already shipped with the prefixes)
  223. # [13:45] <jgraham> Ms2ger`: I think we all agree with that. And indeed we should try and push for this stuff to go behind a flag rather than on-by-default-with-prefixes
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  226. # [13:47] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] zcorpan closed pull request #93: move Opera's media tests (master...submission/Opera/media) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/93
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  229. # [13:47] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] zcorpan pushed 27 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/compare/af2844847db6...82460d31af6e
  230. # [13:47] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 6032222 Simon Pieters: move Opera's media tests
  231. # [13:47] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 7605897 Philip Jägenstedt: Check for TypeError for invalid enum values as function parameters
  232. # [13:47] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master c241e1b Philip Jägenstedt: Use instanceof to test object type instead testing random properties
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  240. # [14:18] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] zcorpan closed pull request #610: Cleanup, correct, and merge the formdata tests. (master...formdata) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/610
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  248. # [15:19] <wilhelm> AutomatedTester: Here now!
  249. # [15:19] <AutomatedTester> wilhelm: hey, 2 things really
  250. # [15:19] <AutomatedTester> wilhelm: have blackberry joined?
  251. # [15:20] <AutomatedTester> wilhelm: can you send out an email about signups for the F2F are closing next Tuesday so I can make sure we hae the right amount of catering (also you need to close it then :))
  252. # [15:22] <wilhelm> AutomatedTester: 1. No, probably pending their AC. Current members: https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=49799 - You should be CCed on the signups for the meeting. :)
  253. # [15:23] <wilhelm> AutomatedTester: Yes, will do that right away. (c:
  254. # [15:23] <plh> if the AC is too slow, I suggest having them as guest for the f2f btw
  255. # [15:24] <plh> no need to penalize them over the slow bureaucracy
  256. # [15:24] <AutomatedTester> plh: we have that already
  257. # [15:24] <plh> good
  258. # [15:24] <wilhelm> Yup.
  259. # [15:25] <AutomatedTester> plh: was just trying to cross t's and dot i's if I could
  260. # [15:25] <AutomatedTester> but not hindered by them :)
  261. # [15:26] <wilhelm> AutomatedTester: You need the final number Tuesday the 18th, yes?
  262. # [15:26] <AutomatedTester> by the end of the 18th
  263. # [15:26] <AutomatedTester> I need to give numbers on the 19th
  264. # [15:27] * wilhelm nods.
  265. # [15:27] <jgraham> plh: Any progress on the gsoc stuff?
  266. # [15:27] <plh> slow but yes
  267. # [15:27] <plh> I added a link yesterday to the w3c gsoc 2013
  268. # [15:27] <plh> in the etherpad
  269. # [15:27] <jgraham> Ah
  270. # [15:28] <plh> we'll need a page by the end of the week that lists the ideas
  271. # [15:28] <plh> so iterations on the etherpad is good
  272. # [15:28] <jgraham> Yep
  273. # [15:31] <wilhelm> AutomatedTester: Do you have access to this page? https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/49799/webdriver-feb-2014/results
  274. # [15:31] <wilhelm> We have 12 signups so far.
  275. # [15:31] <AutomatedTester> wilhelm: I have the emails
  276. # [15:31] <AutomatedTester> I havent checked
  277. # [15:32] <jgraham> plh: I have misplaced the etherpad :)
  278. # [15:32] <AutomatedTester> I have that number
  279. # [15:32] <AutomatedTester> jgraham: behind the sofa?
  280. # [15:32] * plh looks link
  281. # [15:32] <plh> https://etherpad.mozilla.org/GBHx8UkC9k
  282. # [15:32] <plh> http://www.w3.org/2013/03/gsoc2013.html
  283. # [15:33] <plh> that's the page for last year
  284. # [15:34] <jgraham> Thanks
  285. # [15:34] <wilhelm> AutomatedTester: Thanks again for fixing the hosting. (c:
  286. # [15:38] <AutomatedTester> wilhelm: :)
  287. # [15:42] <jgraham> plh: I guess AutomatedTester ought to approve first, but I'm reasonably sure that I could volunteer to mentor some of those projects
  288. # [15:42] <AutomatedTester> jgraham: can you cope with mentoring structuredlogging as well?
  289. # [15:43] <plh> thank you James
  290. # [15:43] <AutomatedTester> jgraham: if you think you can then sure, go for it
  291. # [15:43] <ato> AutomatedTester: BTW I can't see jgriffin having signed up yet.
  292. # [15:44] <AutomatedTester> ato: he isnt in the working group but he has
  293. # [15:44] <plh> I'd be reluctant to be a mentor myself, since i don't consider myself reliable enough time-wise. things always get in the way :(
  294. # [15:44] <ato> AutomatedTester: OK
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  296. # [15:47] <jgraham> AutomatedTester: I think I could probably mentor two people if there were that many interested participants. It's quite possible that we just won't get any (strong) applicants for most of the projects, so I don't think it's a big risk to volunteer to mentor slightly more than I would ideally like. In the worst case I can negotiate to get someone else to do some of the mentoring
  297. # [15:47] <AutomatedTester> jgraham: sounds good to me, just don't overload yourself
  298. # [15:47] <jgraham> AutomatedTester: I don't plan to :) That would suck for me more than anyone ;)
  299. # [15:48] * jgraham wonders if zcorpan would be able to volunteer for some of the test-writing projects
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  301. # [15:52] <plh> Jonas announced that Mozilla was almost done with their beacon api implementation, does anyone here know if tests were written at Mozilla and, if yes, if the tests are available somewhere?
  302. # [15:53] <plh> if possible, I'd like to go and harvest them
  303. # [15:53] <jgraham> plh: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=936340
  304. # [15:53] <jgraham> I bet dollars to doughnuts they are in mochitest format though
  305. # [15:53] <jgraham> (boo)
  306. # [15:54] <zcorpan> jgraham: i don't know how much mentors are supposed to be available, but my plan is for a long vacation this summer and i usually try to stay away from computers while on vacation
  307. # [15:54] <gsnedders> I think the normal thing is to have someone stand-in if the mentor is on holiday
  308. # [15:54] <plh> James, I wouldn't be surprised either, but I can spare one or two hours to transform them. better that than nothing
  309. # [15:55] <jgraham> plh++
  310. # [15:55] <gsnedders> (I'm pretty much certain I'm just going to be working on pet projects this summer, so could potentially give up time to mentor if it's something I know about)
  311. # [15:55] <gsnedders> (But obviously I've been relatively out of touch with all this stuff)
  312. # [15:56] <plh> thank for the link. exactly what I was looking for
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  314. # [15:57] <zcorpan> gsnedders: but does it make sense for me to sign up if i expect to be absent most of the work periods?
  315. # [15:57] <gsnedders> zcorpan: I dunno. Are you allowed to jointly mentor stuff?
  316. # [15:58] * zcorpan knows nothing about gsoc
  317. # [15:59] <gsnedders> Likewise. :)
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  319. # [15:59] <jgraham> I don't know about joint mentoring
  320. # [15:59] <plh> I believe joint is allowed
  321. # [15:59] <plh> we had more than one name for each project last year
  322. # [16:00] <gsnedders> Then I'd suggest that for zcorpan :P
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  324. # [16:03] <jgraham> Yeah, the rules say "a person or group of people"
  325. # [16:04] * darobin is sure jgraham knows a thing or two about "joint mentoring"
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  327. # [16:09] <AutomatedTester> darobin: I am sure you know a thing or 3 about that too
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  329. # [16:22] <SimonSapin> Hi. "mach mochitest-plain" says "IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: u'/home/simon/builds/gecko-dev/_tests/testing/mochitest/runtests.py'" What am I doing wrong?
  330. # [16:23] <jgraham> SimonSapin: Asking in a w3c channel? But maybe you need to make package-tests for that?
  331. # [16:24] <Ms2ger`> SimonSapin, need to build first
  332. # [16:24] <SimonSapin> oops, wrong network indeed
  333. # [16:24] <jgraham> Ah, right, if it's not built at all that would also be a problem ;)
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  335. # [16:30] <leif> I read in the logs that there were a couple of questions about presto-testo
  336. # [16:30] <leif> glad to see so much enthusiasm, btw!
  337. # [16:31] <leif> gsnedders asked about /resources. As he says, it's huge, and I intended to commit only what was needed. But obviously I forgot.
  338. # [16:31] <leif> I'll dig up the script I used to check usage and run it again.
  339. # [16:31] <leif> (I don't think there were a lot of things; most resources were kept at lower levels of the tree.)
  340. # [16:32] <leif> On another topic, idl_attributes.html was written by jgraham, yes. :)
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  342. # [16:33] <jgraham> leif: I was about to thank you for doing such an awesome job, but if you insist on outing my buggy tests, I might have to reconsider ;)
  343. # [16:34] <gsnedders> leif: Also lots of /resources Opera doesn't have permission to redistribute
  344. # [16:34] <jgraham> leif: But seriously, thank you very much for doing this. It's great
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  346. # [16:35] <Ms2ger`> leif, can I send you chocolate for it? :)
  347. # [16:36] <leif> gsnedders: yeah, I'll check for redistribution rights first.
  348. # [16:36] <leif> jgraham, Ms2ger`: happy to be of use, and chocolate sounds nice! ;)
  349. # [16:37] <leif> And…I prefer "Leif Arne" from Scandinavians, and "Leif" from everyone else. :)
  350. # [16:37] <Ms2ger`> Do you like yours as black as zcorpan?
  351. # [16:37] <leif> (The longer version provides disambiguation that is useful in Scandinavia but just makes an ununusal name longer elsewhere. Then again, the "Leif"/"life" homonym might usefully be disambiguated as well…)
  352. # [16:38] <gsnedders> Pretty certain I'm really inconsistent in what I call you. :P
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  354. # [16:38] <leif> Ms2ger`: I like mine as sweet as you are :p
  355. # [16:39] <leif> gsnedders: I respond to most sounds emitted in my general direction, so np :)
  356. # [16:39] <jgraham> So that would be the 100% Cacao then
  357. # [16:40] * leif bought See's candies as a "gift" on the last US trip </hint>
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  359. # [16:40] <AutomatedTester> i think leif is suggesting he wants a heart shaped box of chocolates
  360. # [16:40] <AutomatedTester> Ms2ger`: ^
  361. # [16:41] <leif> leif is a box of chocolates?
  362. # [16:41] <leif> (that's one leif joke I haven't heard yet)
  363. # [16:41] <AutomatedTester> *ba doom tish*
  364. # [16:41] <jgraham> No, Leif would like a box of chocolates
  365. # [16:41] <Ms2ger`> leif, heh
  366. # [16:42] <jgraham> (Leif / Life being hononyms is just taking the piss out of dyslexics though)
  367. # [16:42] * darobin reckons zcorpan didn't seem all that black last he saw him
  368. # [16:43] <jgraham> *homonyms
  369. # [16:43] <jgraham> darobin: Had that one last time Ms2ger` asked it in the same way
  370. # [16:44] <wilhelm> leif: Thanks for pushing the tests upstream! I was worried they'd be lost forever.
  371. # [16:45] <leif> wilhelm: glad to help, I don't like black holes either. :)
  372. # [16:45] <gsnedders> (I'll publish some results for opjsunit somewhere soon)
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  374. # [16:46] <leif> gsnedders: I added some stuff to the README from the dev wiki. Do you follow the repo?
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  376. # [16:55] <gsnedders> leif: It seems to mostly duplicate things I already wrote in the readme
  377. # [16:55] <gsnedders> :)
  378. # [16:55] <leif> oh! Sorry, I tried to avoid that.
  379. # [16:55] <gsnedders> As well as being a bit assuming that you can easily get a copy of jsshell. :)
  380. # [16:55] <leif> yeah, I didn't quite know what to do with that
  381. # [16:56] <gsnedders> I tried to write stuff to be generic. I think makehtml.py is the only thing that actually *requires* jsshell currently.
  382. # [16:56] <gsnedders> But it shouldn't be that hard to change that.
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  491. # [22:33] * Automate_ is now known as AutomatedTester
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  497. # [23:46] * heycam|away is now known as heycam
  498. # Session Close: Thu Feb 13 00:00:00 2014

The end :)