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  25. # [01:35] <Travis> jgraham: James, I'm looking to help out reviewing some of the web-platform-tests PR
  26. # [01:36] <Travis> ... I was looking at r/12 -- it's obviously pretty old.
  27. # [01:36] <Travis> ... Is the review blocked on the opener at this point? Or can someone else submit changes that address review feedback and push this through?
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  29. # [01:51] <Travis> :)
  30. # [01:52] <edoyle> (just a little infighting here at microsoft :-p)
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  59. # [08:37] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] deniak opened pull request #648: add tests for input type=week (master...input-week) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/648
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  62. # [09:06] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] zqzhang pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/compare/61eae1a4788a...4f0417e73fb1
  63. # [09:06] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 8ef9768 Denis Ah-Kang: add test on leap years and value sanitization algorithm
  64. # [09:06] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 6b2dcb9 Denis Ah-Kang: tests of max number of days
  65. # [09:06] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 4f0417e Zhiqiang Zhang: Merge pull request #644 from deniak/date-leap-year...
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  67. # [09:19] <MikeSmith> jgraham: Ms2ger: I see Zhang suggesting in https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/showcomment?chain=2379 that a spec meta link should be to the CR version, but that's not right, is it?
  68. # [09:19] <Ms2ger> IMO, it should be to the whatwg spec
  69. # [09:21] <Ms2ger> I can't say I care much which exact fork people point to if they insist on using a fork
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  71. # [09:23] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] zqzhang closed pull request #648: add tests for input type=week (master...input-week) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/648
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  74. # [09:23] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] zqzhang pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/compare/4f0417e73fb1...8a9db4a136f4
  75. # [09:23] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master c02c650 Denis Ah-Kang: add tests for input type=week
  76. # [09:23] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 8a9db4a Zhiqiang Zhang: Merge pull request #648 from deniak/input-week...
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  78. # [09:24] <MikeSmith> do we have done written policy that says the links need to be to a W3C spec for some reason?
  79. # [09:24] <MikeSmith> I had assumed we did
  80. # [09:25] <MikeSmith> but if there is no such policy then I agree the links should be to the whatwg spec
  81. # [09:26] <MikeSmith> but regardless they shouldn't be to any CR document
  82. # [09:26] <MikeSmith> at least I can't see any reason why
  83. # [09:27] <MikeSmith> we certainly don't want any implementors using that version
  84. # [09:27] <denis> I think the confusion comes from http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/
  85. # [09:27] <denis> [[
  86. # [09:27] <denis> Latest Editor's Draft:
  87. # [09:27] <denis> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/CR/
  88. # [09:27] <denis> ]]
  89. # [09:27] <Ms2ger> I think you can imagine the response if I suggest using whatwg :)
  90. # [09:28] <MikeSmith> and nobody should be using the text in the CR to write tests
  91. # [09:30] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: well the fact is the implementors are using the whatwg spec of course. anybody who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves
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  93. # [09:30] <Ms2ger> Sure
  94. # [09:30] <Ms2ger> But, politics
  95. # [09:31] <MikeSmith> denis: whose confusion? Zhang's?
  96. # [09:32] <denis> everyone using the link http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/CR/ in their tests
  97. # [09:34] <Ms2ger> Anyway, feel free to suggest whatwg; I don't care enough to fight about it :)
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  100. # [09:38] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] zqzhang closed pull request #647: Merge four volumechange tests into a single more comprehensive one (master...volumechange) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/647
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  103. # [09:38] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] zqzhang pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/compare/8a9db4a136f4...7d859e82a021
  104. # [09:38] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 7ee2926 Philip Jägenstedt: Merge four volumechange tests into a single more comprehensive one
  105. # [09:38] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 7d859e8 Zhiqiang Zhang: Merge pull request #647 from foolip/volumechange...
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  108. # [09:47] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] zqzhang closed pull request #645: check month range (master...input-month) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/645
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  113. # [10:05] <jgraham> MikeSmith: Certainly shouldn't be to CR
  114. # [10:05] <jgraham> After that I don't care too much. I prefer whatwg, but it's hard to enforce that on everyone
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  120. # [11:09] <MikeSmith> I suggest we mitigate the politics by documenting policy to not include the links at all if they can be inferred from the directory structure
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  122. # [11:13] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: yeah
  123. # [11:13] <MikeSmith> and since pretty much all the html tests are organized into a structure that follows the spec, then we don't need them for the html tests
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  126. # [11:18] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] foolip opened pull request #649: Test non-support of more historical media features (master...historical-media-features) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/649
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  131. # [12:14] <jgraham> MikeSmith: I like your thinking
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  135. # [12:22] * Topic is 'Testing the Web Platform | http://testthewebforward.org | PR Count: 121 (2014-02-17)'
  136. # [12:22] * Set by Ms2ger` on Mon Feb 17 10:14:01
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  142. # [12:35] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] deniak opened pull request #650: tests on time format (master...input-time) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/650
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  150. # [13:11] <MikeSmith> it's zcorpan's thinking but yeah I like it too
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  156. # [13:24] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] deniak opened pull request #651: tests on datetime-local format (master...input-datetime-local) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/651
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  160. # [13:32] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: i like to agree with my ideas
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  163. # [13:48] <jgraham> zcorpan: I often find I disagree with my own ideas
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  166. # [14:12] <Ms2ger> Ah, plh
  167. # [14:12] <plh> almost, coffee didn't kick in yet
  168. # [14:19] <jgraham> Heh
  169. # [14:20] <jgraham> Did you sort of GSoC?
  170. # [14:28] <Ms2ger> plh, ^
  171. # [14:29] <plh> unfortunately, I wasn't able to. I looked at the etherpad and couldn't figure which one we wanted at the end and who was going to mentor what :(
  172. # [14:29] <plh> I pinged you too late on Friday
  173. # [14:30] <jgraham> Oh :(
  174. # [14:30] <jgraham> So W3C hasn't applied at all?
  175. # [14:30] <plh> not this year
  176. # [14:30] <plh> we were the only ones who had interest
  177. # [14:31] <plh> on the good news, I did catch up with Tobie on Friday
  178. # [14:31] <zcorpan> foolip and i are tentatively interested in mentoring something. but it is too late now?
  179. # [14:31] <plh> the deadline was Friday unfortunately
  180. # [14:31] <zcorpan> ok :-(
  181. # [14:32] <plh> btw, every year, MIT students are looking for projects as well
  182. # [14:33] <plh> I'll try to better organize this in advance and make sure we get a good chance
  183. # [14:33] <jgraham> I meant to ping you on Thursday / Friday and forgot. Sorry.
  184. # [14:33] <plh> the advantage of mit students is that the project can go much longer
  185. # [14:33] <jgraham> But if there are MIT students looking for projects that would also be great
  186. # [14:33] <plh> James, no need to apologize, I missed you by 20 minutes on Friday I think
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  189. # [14:50] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] deniak opened pull request #652: tests on global dates and times format (master...input-datetime) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/652
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  194. # [15:26] <dom> I read the other day an article about how to work around (and thus, the ineffectivity of) the required user-interaction for playing audio/video in mobile browsers; does that a ring bell from anyone here?
  195. # [15:27] <dom> (I'm asking because I somehow associate that article with someone involved in testing; but that might be a side-effect of my cold on my brain)
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  198. # [15:52] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] foolip closed pull request #649: Test non-support of more historical media features (master...historical-media-features) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/649
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  203. # [16:55] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] foolip opened pull request #653: Test non-support of removeCueRanges and autobuffer (master...historical-media-features) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/653
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  212. # [17:30] <plh> ms2ger, see my comment on https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/issues/511 and I believe you can close it
  213. # [17:31] <plh> (ie we're covered already)
  214. # [17:31] <Ms2ger> You're correct
  215. # [17:31] <Ms2ger> As of this morning ;)
  216. # [17:31] <Ms2ger> /afternoon
  217. # [17:32] <plh> I'm ambivalent about those tests since those are outside the specs but I do agree that they provide good information
  218. # [17:36] <jgraham> plh: The spec can't list all the things that you must not do, but by in general you must not do anything it doesn't explicitly allow
  219. # [17:37] <jgraham> To take a rather extreme example, you can't say "oh we implement the spec, but we added an extra step between steps 6 and 7 of an algorithm where we set the True value to false
  220. # [17:37] <jgraham> "
  221. # [17:37] <plh> that, I fully agree
  222. # [17:38] <jgraham> Of course there is a certain amount of permissable flexibility for developing new, experimental, features, but they should generally be behind a flag
  223. # [17:38] <plh> but here, we're looking at attributes that don't impact algorithms as far as I know
  224. # [17:38] <plh> things that shouldn't be used
  225. # [17:38] <jgraham> But also shouldn't be implemented
  226. # [17:39] <plh> yes
  227. # [17:39] <plh> as I said, it's good information
  228. # [17:39] <gsnedders> This would appear to be under the "any other applicable specifications" clause, which is hard to tes t:)
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  231. # [17:40] <jgraham> It is gentle encouragement for people to actually remove their legacy APIs. If they can't remove those APIs they might complain about the spec, whereupon we would learn that the feature is needed for web-compat, and so add it to the spec again
  232. # [17:40] <jgraham> All in all I think these tests are rather beneficial
  233. # [17:40] <gsnedders> (c.f., Opera supporting <bq> in 2009)
  234. # [17:41] <gsnedders> (From HTML 3, that is!)
  235. # [17:41] <gsnedders> Still there because simply nobody had noticed it.
  236. # [17:41] <jgraham> s/complain about the spec/complain about the test/
  237. # [17:45] <plh> fyi, http://hanuman.jit.su/issues is a replication of the github data on open and closed issues
  238. # [17:46] <plh> server code is https://github.com/w3c/hanuman
  239. # [17:46] <plh> I'll deploy the dashboard in the afternoon hopefully
  240. # [17:46] <Ms2ger> Nice
  241. # [17:47] <plh> in the future, we make the server more intelligent and have a db behind it. that's a good enough initial version for now.
  242. # [17:48] <Ms2ger> Ohai, it's tobie__
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  244. # [17:54] <Ms2ger> plh, so is tobie back at work on testing?
  245. # [17:55] <plh> not officially
  246. # [17:55] <plh> but he is helping
  247. # [17:56] <plh> he pointed me in the right direction for my server code for example
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  284. # [21:57] <Ms2ger> "Who else is interested in organizing a #TestTheWebForward event adjacent to #CasadiaJS this year in PDX?"
  285. # [21:57] <AutomatedTester> did I miss that email?
  286. # [21:57] <AutomatedTester> Ms2ger: ^
  287. # [21:58] <Ms2ger> Twitter
  288. # [22:00] <AutomatedTester> not my in stream...
  289. # [22:01] <Ms2ger> Brad Hill
  290. # [22:04] <AutomatedTester> hmm... an excuse, I mean a good community event, to visit Portland
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  294. # [22:29] <plh> Intel might
  295. # [22:29] <plh> they have offices in Portland if I recall
  296. # [22:30] <plh> but I don't now how big the dev/testing community is in Portland
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  300. # [22:50] <plh> http://testthewebforward.org/dashboard/
  301. # [22:51] <plh> I'll need to center the graph
  302. # [23:09] <AutomatedTester> there is a mozilla office in Portland but dont know its size
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  306. # [23:39] <MikeSmith> plh: the month names in the X axis of the graphs gets all smushed together
  307. # [23:40] <MikeSmith> maybe D3 has some option for generating 3-letter abbreviations for month names instead
  308. # [23:41] <MikeSmith> hmm, odd though
  309. # [23:41] <MikeSmith> it only does that for certain graphs
  310. # [23:41] <MikeSmith> or anyway now I can't seem to reproduce it
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  314. # [23:58] <plh> Mike, I fixed I think
  315. # [23:59] <plh> so you might have seen in between
  316. # [23:59] <MikeSmith> k
  317. # [23:59] <MikeSmith> yeah
  318. # [23:59] <MikeSmith> I think I must have
  319. # Session Close: Wed Feb 19 00:00:00 2014

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