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  1. # Session Start: Thu Feb 27 00:00:00 2014
  2. # Session Ident: #testing
  3. # [00:01] <jgraham> Good, good, just checking ato is doing his duty as an [ex]operaian
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  5. # [00:04] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] AutomatedTester pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/76069953507e4ac72b93dd9d710cc892f8ae252e
  6. # [00:04] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 7606995 Malini Das: move all resource files to res/ and update documentation...
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  8. # [00:04] <jgraham> You peoplr seem to have missed the point of a f2f. You are suppoded to have pointless arguments or sit glassy-eyed as someonee drones on. Not get useful work done ;)
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  10. # [00:05] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] AutomatedTester closed pull request #702: move all resource files to res/ and update documentation (master...res) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/702
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  13. # [00:06] <ato> jgraham: We've been extremely productive this time. So we've fallen back to writing conformance tests.
  14. # [00:06] <ato> It's crazy.
  15. # [00:06] <wilhelm> jgraham: Hm. True. But I think having example tests that will Just Work in the wpt repo itself is useful. /examples? (c;
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  17. # [00:10] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] AutomatedTester pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/0ea83c1fb2e642cc60463bb03b8fff3d137f9725
  18. # [00:10] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 0ea83c1 Luke Inman-Semerau: being able to specify remote per browser to use ip address of host...
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  21. # [00:12] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] AutomatedTester closed pull request #701: being able to specify 'remote' per browser to use ip address of host (master...remote) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/701
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  24. # [00:15] <jgraham> wilhelm: send mail? I am going to experiment with sleep
  25. # [00:16] <wilhelm> jgraham: Alright, will do.
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  27. # [00:16] <Automate_> ACTION: Drop javascriptEnabled capability from the spec.
  28. # [00:16] * RRSAgent records action 43
  29. # [00:18] <Automate_> wilhelm: http://selenium.googlecode.com/git/docs/api/py/webdriver_remote/selenium.webdriver.remote.webdriver.html#selenium.webdriver.remote.webdriver.WebDriver.get_screenshot_as_base64
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  31. # [00:31] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jleyba opened pull request #704: Add some tests for WebDriver executeScript (section 11.2.1) (master...master) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/704
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  35. # [00:50] <wilhelm> RRSAgent, bye
  36. # [00:50] <RRSAgent> I'm staying, wilhelm; no access has been specified for the meeting record
  37. # [00:51] <wilhelm> RRSAgent, make logs public
  38. # [00:51] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, wilhelm
  39. # [00:51] <wilhelm> RRSAgent, draft minutes
  40. # [00:51] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-minutes.html wilhelm
  41. # [00:52] <wilhelm> RRSAgent, bye
  42. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> I see 40 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-actions.rdf :
  43. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> ACTION: keyboard actions AutomatedTester [1]
  44. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T18-00-42
  45. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> ACTION: edit 14.1 to clarify the HTML4 'disabled' statements AutomatedTester [2]
  46. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T18-05-10
  47. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> ACTION: change enum to match rest of spec 14.2.1.1 [3]
  48. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T18-08-38
  49. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> ACTION: put reference to the dom spec version we are using [4]
  50. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T18-13-24
  51. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> ACTION: double click should take a button [5]
  52. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T18-14-17
  53. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> ACTION: so one proposal is to remove click and double click from mouse, use down/up - sstewart6 [6]
  54. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T18-25-22
  55. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> ACTION: add description on how to process the batch - AutomatedTester [7]
  56. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T18-28-12
  57. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> ACTION: remove perform from all X-action [8]
  58. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T18-32-35
  59. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> ACTION: clean up the prose in 14.2.1.1.1 (well, all the way through) regarding 'any' and require the button argument, not optional [9]
  60. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T18-35-19
  61. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> ACTION: moveTo specify the initial start point, should be 0,0 of current top level browser context [10]
  62. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T18-40-02
  63. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> ACTION: add exception information in the mouse action section if we have incomplete actions [11]
  64. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T18-40-27
  65. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> ACTION: to specify that the mouse's current cursor location is relative to the current viewport and not to the document [12]
  66. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T18-44-00
  67. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> ACTION: update the table in moveTo to match the prose above regarding no webelement passed in AutomatedTester [13]
  68. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T18-44-30-1
  69. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> ACTION: moveTo gets mandatory WebElement optional x/y. moveToOffset gets mandatory x/y [14]
  70. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T18-46-23
  71. # [00:52] <RRSAgent> ACTION: JohnJansen to find out what events get fired with middle wheel scrolling [15]
  72. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T18-49-47
  73. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> ACTION: element.send_keys needs to talk about implicitly unsetting the modifier keys [16]
  74. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T18-54-34
  75. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> ACTION: we need to explicitly clarify the difference between batches with modifier keys then using element.send_keys and then using the actions again [17]
  76. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T18-57-09
  77. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> ACTION: wait should be moved to 'pause' action [18]
  78. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T18-58-30
  79. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> ACTION: tap and longpress to be removed [19]
  80. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T19-00-07
  81. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> ACTION: clarify definition of cancel - mdas [20]
  82. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T19-03-51
  83. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> ACTION: moveTo needs same replacement in 14.2.1.2 as 14.2.1 [21]
  84. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T19-06-49
  85. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> ACTION: be consistent with usage of 'Gesture' and 'Action' and we should not use 'gesture' [22]
  86. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T19-07-39
  87. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> ACTION: MUST scrollIntoView for touch events 'everywhere' [23]
  88. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T19-14-28
  89. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> ACTION: should create IDL for Action and extend all the way down [24]
  90. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T19-39-12
  91. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> ACTION: svg for 'perform' diagram - mdas [25]
  92. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T19-42-25
  93. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> ACTION: rename multi-action to parallel-action [26]
  94. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T19-49-03
  95. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> ACTION: define batch uri to be /session/{sessionId}/actions and name to be 'perform actions' [27]
  96. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T19-52-55
  97. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> ACTION: add the explanation of the json payload for batches - mdas [28]
  98. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T20-08-58
  99. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> ACTION: sstewart6 to look at window switching tests [29]
  100. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T21-08-08
  101. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> ACTION: AutomatedTester to look at screenshots [31]
  102. # [00:53] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T21-08-33
  103. # [00:54] <RRSAgent> ACTION: lukeis to look at frame switching tests [32]
  104. # [00:54] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T21-08-35
  105. # [00:54] <RRSAgent> ACTION: seva: look at adding conformance tests equivalent to those in org/openqa/selenium/PageLoadingTest.java [33]
  106. # [00:54] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T21-09-46
  107. # [00:54] <RRSAgent> ACTION: Wilhelm to write example tests for how other WGs should make WebDriver tests [34]
  108. # [00:54] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T21-11-03
  109. # [00:54] <RRSAgent> ACTION: jleyba to look at executeScript and executeAsyncScript tests [35]
  110. # [00:54] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T21-13-33
  111. # [00:54] <RRSAgent> ACTION: jimevans to add conformance tests equivalent to those in org/openqa/selenium/ClearTest.java and org/openqa/selenium/ElementSelectingTest.java [36]
  112. # [00:54] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T21-15-26
  113. # [00:54] <RRSAgent> ACTION: sam to look at org/openqa/selenium/TextHandlingTest.java [38]
  114. # [00:54] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T21-24-10
  115. # [00:54] <RRSAgent> ACTION: shuotao look at cookie related tests [39]
  116. # [00:54] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T21-30-19
  117. # [00:54] <RRSAgent> ACTION: mdas to look at timeout tests [41]
  118. # [00:54] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T21-42-36
  119. # [00:54] <RRSAgent> ACTION: dannin look at implicitwait related tests [42]
  120. # [00:54] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T22-16-37
  121. # [00:54] <RRSAgent> ACTION: Drop javascriptEnabled capability from the spec. [43]
  122. # [00:54] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/02/26-testing-irc#T23-19-55
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  125. # [01:01] <ato> jleyba: You'll find my tests here: http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/marionette/client/marionette/tests/unit/test_execute_script.py?from=test_execute_script.py#1
  126. # [01:01] <ato> I think I prefer some of your assertions.
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  131. # [01:08] <AutomatedTester> lukeis1: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/mozbase/moznetwork/moznetwork/moznetwork.py#80
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  133. # [01:09] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] malini opened pull request #705: add timeout tests (master...timeouts) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/705
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  164. # [02:53] <Automate_> [extensions]
  165. # [02:53] <Automate_> hgext.mq =
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  168. # [02:54] <Automate_> username = David Burns <dburns@mozilla.com>
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  230. # [13:05] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 98ab0f6 James Graham: Update to latest wptserve
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  246. # [15:18] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master fbef74c Dominique Hazael-Massieux: Proposed script to facilitate but isolate testing of vendor-prefixed features
  247. # [15:18] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master c9b111f Dominique Hazael-Massieux: clean up tabs and trailing whitespaces
  248. # [15:18] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master b49632f Dominique Hazael-Massieux: expanding list of prefixes to try per https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/showcomment?chain=2374
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  257. # [15:27] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 84f4e57 Denis Ah-Kang: tests on time format
  258. # [15:27] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 68e6031 Denis Ah-Kang: fix test name
  259. # [15:27] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 7c2d815 Simon Pieters: Merge pull request #650 from deniak/input-time...
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  266. # [15:28] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 00f67d5 Denis Ah-Kang: tests on global dates and times format
  267. # [15:28] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master bfe93c0 Denis Ah-Kang: update tests name to describe the actual input
  268. # [15:28] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master f040852 Simon Pieters: Merge pull request #652 from deniak/input-datetime...
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  275. # [15:28] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 543475c Denis Ah-Kang: tests on datetime-local format
  276. # [15:28] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master d0c9603 Denis Ah-Kang: update tests name to reflect the actual input and not what's expected
  277. # [15:28] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master cce4df5 Denis Ah-Kang: more accurate test description
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  288. # [15:33] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master a4bd510 Denis Ah-Kang: test on input type=color
  289. # [15:33] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master c40a06d Denis Ah-Kang: more use cases
  290. # [15:33] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master b2a05d6 Denis Ah-Kang: test zero-padding
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  296. # [15:39] <denis> zcorpan, many thanks for reviewing my PRs. I'll try to fix the other issues soon
  297. # [15:39] <zcorpan> denis: thanks for writing the tests :-)
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  308. # [16:31] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 6ebd25b Sergey G. Grekhov: Custom elements, initial check-in. Custom elements type tests.
  309. # [16:31] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 55f5393 Sergey G. Grekhov: Removed incorrect tests for the first combining and ideographic chars...
  310. # [16:31] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 8a7bcbe Sergey G. Grekhov: Instantiating custom elements tests
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  313. # [16:50] <wilhelm> denis: This may be relevant to your interests: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-browser-tools-testing/2014JanMar/0042.html
  314. # [16:51] <jgraham_> wilhelm: I have comments on that email coming later
  315. # [16:51] <wilhelm> jgraham_: Great!
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  317. # [16:51] <AutomatedTester> jgraham: if you didnt have comments then there would be bigger problems :)
  318. # [16:52] <denis> wilhelm, thanks, I'll follow the discussion
  319. # [16:52] <wilhelm> I'd like to have our fights over those issues sooner rather than later. (c:
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  321. # [16:52] <wilhelm> denis: Any input from you based on your experience with it so far would be very welcome.
  322. # [16:55] <denis> wilhelm, sure
  323. # [16:57] <Ms2ger`> wilhelm, your email address is... interesting :)
  324. # [16:59] <wilhelm> Ms2ger`: I couldn't make it any shorter. )c:
  325. # [17:02] <AutomatedTester> stupid tld rules...
  326. # [17:02] <jgraham> You could have bought your own tld
  327. # [17:04] <zcorpan> w@ja
  328. # [17:08] <wilhelm> The TLD is fine. It's the redundant w that annoys me. :)
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  330. # [17:13] <AutomatedTester> jgraham: wilhelm is flash but I dont think he is flash enough for his own tld
  331. # [17:14] <gsnedders> All his money from consulting must be going *somewhere*. I don't think he has *that* many suits…
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  333. # [17:14] <zcorpan> wilhelm: replace it with U+1F4A9
  334. # [17:17] <wilhelm> zcorpan: Haha
  335. # [17:18] <zcorpan> :-)
  336. # [17:21] <jgraham> Well if you just don't like the *look*, U+FEFF is nice ;)
  337. # [17:23] <wilhelm> (c:
  338. # [17:24] <wilhelm> Unicode in email addresses is an unsolved problem, unfortunately.
  339. # [17:24] <gsnedders> s/addresses// is still a bit too close to the truth :(
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  378. # [21:44] <lukeis> yesterday at the F2F I brought up concerns about trying to test cross domain frames, wptserve is supposed to handle this for me… but I now have a use case that I'm not sure how to handle, running the test against a real mobile device, how am I to 'spoof' a domain to point back to my same host running the web server? it may require setting up a network for the device where the dns is controlled (only option for iphone i could find) or rooting one's devi[CUT]
  379. # [21:48] <jgraham> Yes, it does assume that you have some control over the dns
  380. # [21:48] <jgraham> Either via /etc/hosts equivalent or similar
  381. # [21:49] <lukeis> yeah, ok… mobile will be a pain :-/
  382. # [21:49] <jgraham> Yeah, not sure what we could do about that though
  383. # [21:49] <jgraham> Unless you can use autoproxy on your mobile device?
  384. # [21:50] <lukeis> well, this would be more than just FF
  385. # [21:50] <lukeis> oh, looks like there's one for android
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  387. # [21:51] <lukeis> oh… needs to be rooted :(
  388. # [21:54] <lukeis> well, emulators / simulators will work with local tweaking of hosts files… i'll defer real devices for another day
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  403. # [23:28] <ato> Could creating a private network for the device be an option?
  404. # [23:28] <ato> And also, can we avoid running on real devices altogether?
  405. # [23:29] <lukeis> i think we can by using emulators / simulators… but they are *much* slower
  406. # [23:29] <lukeis> and dannin was trying to run tests on a real device yesterday
  407. # [23:30] <ato> That's not my experience.
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  409. # [23:30] <ato> Oh.
  410. # [23:30] <ato> Yeah, I can see how that might be a requirement from phone manufacturers.
  411. # [23:30] <gsnedders> Emulators vary massively, really. Some are fine, others are diabolical.
  412. # [23:30] <ato> The Android one's become lovely.
  413. # [23:30] * lukeis deals mostly with android and they can be crappy ;)
  414. # [23:31] <ato> Are you still on 2.x?
  415. # [23:32] <lukeis> no, mainly using 4.2
  416. # [23:32] * lukeis assumed you were talking android version
  417. # [23:34] <lukeis> x86 / haxm / gpu on is the best I can get and it still doesn't perform like a device :)
  418. # [23:35] <lukeis> most of the developers here use real devices
  419. # [23:35] <MikeSmith> so btw Hixie did end up changing the spec for index of frames[] that had been discussed at the WebDriver f2f https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24662
  420. # [23:35] <MikeSmith> to make it say that it's insertion order
  421. # [23:36] <lukeis> so, IE is now out of compliance?
  422. # [23:38] <MikeSmith> lukeis: yeah
  423. # [23:39] <MikeSmith> I think IE was the only UA that doesn't already use insertion order
  424. # [23:39] <lukeis> i believe so
  425. # [23:40] <MikeSmith> so yeah they'd need to change eventually to match the spec
  426. # [23:40] <MikeSmith> I reckon the spec's not likely to change back unless somebody makes a compelling case for why it should be tree order instead
  427. # [23:45] <gsnedders> Given UAs do it differently, can't we just make it return it sorted by function(){return Math.random()-0.5;}?
  428. # [23:45] <gsnedders> So then people don't rely on order? :P
  429. # [23:47] <Ms2ger> Sounds like someone should join tc39
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  431. # [23:50] <ato> Yay. We don't have to change Firefox.
  432. # [23:51] <Ms2ger> The small things :)
  433. # [23:56] <MikeSmith> gsnedders: quit revealing the secret tc39 interview questions
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  435. # [23:57] <gsnedders> MikeSmith: But I've never been for a TC39 interview!
  436. # [23:57] <wilhelm> jgraham: Maybe we need wptdns? :D
  437. # [23:58] <jgraham> wilhelm: Hmm...
  438. # [23:58] <jgraham> Not sure about that
  439. # [23:58] <ato> I can't see how that would work.
  440. # [23:58] <jgraham> (fwiw on Mozilla infrastructure we use autoproxy to deal with the hosts)
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