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- # [04:30] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] yunxiaoxie closed pull request #918: Add a test for IDBFactory deleteDatabase (master...yunxiaoxie/idbfactory-deleteDatabase) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/918
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- # [04:35] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] yunxiaoxie closed pull request #919: Add a test for IDBFactory open (master...yunxiaoxie/idbfactory-open) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/919
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- # [04:50] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] yunxiaoxie closed pull request #901: Add more tests for IDBDatabase transaction (master...yunxiaoxie/idbdatabase-transaction) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/901
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- # [04:55] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] yunxiaoxie closed pull request #894: Add more tests for IDBDatabase deleteObjectStore (master...yunxiaoxie/idbdatabase-deleteObjectStore) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/894
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- # [04:58] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] yunxiaoxie closed pull request #893: Add more tests for IDBDatabase createObjectStore (master...yunxiaoxie/idbdatabase-createObjectStore) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/893
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- # [06:35] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] sideshowbarker pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/b9d69efc2f7f414152fdb992b62bfe8e69c76378
- # [06:35] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master b9d69ef Michael[tm] Smith: Fixed a couple stray image-URL typos.
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- # [06:44] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: so I wonder if we should have a repo for storing test results
- # [06:44] <MikeSmith> e.g., for http://sideshowbarker.github.io/test-results/2dcontext/all.html
- # [06:44] <MikeSmith> then if somebody wants to update some results they can just check into that repo
- # [06:46] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: what problem does storing test results solve?
- # [06:52] <MikeSmith> transition calls with the Director
- # [06:53] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: ⚡️
- # [06:56] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: ok. i guess that makes sense but i haven't thought about it really
- # [06:56] <MikeSmith> ok
- # [06:57] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: ask jgraham what he thinks
- # [07:02] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: will do
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- # [09:32] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] yunxiaoxie opened pull request #941: Add more tests for IDBIndex get (master...yunxiaoxie/idbindex-get) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/941
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- # [09:39] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: I'm trying to figure out wtf is up with http://web-platform.test:8000/html/browsers/the-window-object/security-window/window-security.html
- # [09:40] <MikeSmith> seems to run as expected only in Blink
- # [09:41] <MikeSmith> doesn't run at all in Gecko or WebKit
- # [09:41] <MikeSmith> and runs in Trident and Presto but pretty much completely fails
- # [09:42] <MikeSmith> I ask you because I notice you hadn't reviewed any of it yet
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- # [09:42] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: which PR was this?
- # [09:43] <MikeSmith> hmm I find <iframe id="fr" src="http://127.0.0.1" onload="fr_load()" style="display:none"></iframe>
- # [09:43] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: 521
- # [09:43] <MikeSmith> he seems to be wanting to run a cross-origin test
- # [09:44] <zcorpan> if so, better to use .sub.html and {{domains[www1]}} or what the syntax was
- # [09:44] <MikeSmith> yeah
- # [09:45] <MikeSmith> ok I'll comment on it from critic
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- # [10:16] <zcorpan> jgraham: i agree on reducing the rendered size of the webvtt tests
- # [10:17] <zcorpan> the annoying part is redoing the calculations, but the tests will need to be updated to reflect the spec changes also
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- # [10:35] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] yunxiaoxie opened pull request #942: Add more tests for IDBIndex getKey (master...yunxiaoxie/idbindex-getkey) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/942
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- # [11:26] <zcorpan> denis: my wife has collected a package with chocolate, which i think you sent. thanks! :-)
- # [11:27] <Ms2ger> Wasn't me this time :)
- # [11:27] * darobin is starting to worry that zcorpan's excellent work is beginning to threaten his health
- # [11:27] <zcorpan> darobin: dark chocolate is supposedly good for the health iirc
- # [11:28] <darobin> zcorpan: have such high doses ever been properly tested?
- # [11:28] <MikeSmith> I would thank anybody who has time to look through https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/569 and see if there any glaring errors
- # [11:28] <MikeSmith> https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/521
- # [11:28] <zcorpan> darobin: dunno :-(
- # [11:29] <MikeSmith> it seems nobody but Blink actually supports SecurityError at this point?
- # [11:29] <darobin> zcorpan: well, there is also good data for chocolate in general :) http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/the-curious-wavefunction/2012/11/20/chocolate-consumption-and-nobel-prizes-a-bizarre-juxtaposition-if-there-ever-was-one/
- # [11:29] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, ah, but would you thank... with chocolate?
- # [11:30] <jgraham> darobin: Don't sulk, you'll get chocolate next time I see you :p
- # [11:30] <zcorpan> darobin: can't tell what's causing what there :-|
- # [11:30] <darobin> ooooooh!
- # [11:30] <darobin> zcorpan: I conjecture it's a positive feedback loop :)
- # [11:30] <darobin> jgraham: :-*
- # [11:30] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: I will supply Japanese chocalate yeah
- # [11:31] <MikeSmith> like "Crunky"
- # [11:31] * Ms2ger would ponder getting darobin chocolate, but doesn't tend to see him
- # [11:31] <darobin> Ms2ger: we ought to fix that!
- # [11:31] <MikeSmith> http://goo.gl/bDBuOk
- # [11:32] <jgraham> MikeSmith: So my idea was that we would move to a system where test results are pulled from vendor-controlled urls
- # [11:32] <zcorpan> darobin: might be a third variable that causes both the nobel price and the chocolate consumption :-)
- # [11:33] <jgraham> Of course we aren't there yet because no usch vendor-controlled urls exist
- # [11:33] <MikeSmith> jgraham: yeah we should really do that. I wonder what needs to be done to move that ahead
- # [11:33] * Ms2ger is planning to make one exist for Servo in the not too distant future
- # [11:35] <jgraham> MikeSmith: Well I guess we need vendors to actually run the tests
- # [11:35] <jgraham> We are very close with Gecko/Servo
- # [11:37] <Ms2ger> jgraham, is single-test running easy now?
- # [11:38] <jgraham> Ms2ger: With what?
- # [11:38] <Ms2ger> Servo
- # [11:40] <jgraham> Yeah, ish
- # [11:41] <jgraham> You can't do it from make, but you can do run.sh /path/to/servo/root /path/to/objdir --include=/test/to/run
- # [11:42] <Ms2ger> I should probably see if I can make it work from make
- # [11:42] <Ms2ger> Unless jack hurries with mach
- # [11:44] <MikeSmith> mach for servo?
- # [11:44] <Ms2ger> Yeah
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- # [11:44] <Ms2ger> make+shell+python isn't exactly a nice way to run tests :)
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- # [11:48] <jgraham> Ms2ger: So the easy way to do it is using an environment variable. I'm not sure how to pass random args to make
- # [11:49] <Ms2ger> Right
- # [11:49] <jgraham> OTOH I'm not sure how to * involving make
- # [11:49] <Ms2ger> Environment variable is the traditional way
- # [11:49] <darobin> so, this test-results repo is where we'll store all the results? is there a plan for that or is it mostly a placeholder?
- # [11:49] <jgraham> Yeah, so I actually have that in my local tree
- # [11:49] * darobin a bit out of touch, coming back from vacations
- # [11:49] <MikeSmith> darobin: placeholder
- # [11:49] <Ms2ger> Ah
- # [11:50] <Ms2ger> darobin, a repo?
- # [11:50] <Ms2ger> jgraham, PR it :)
- # [11:50] <jgraham> Ms2ger: It's a one line change :p
- # [11:50] <Ms2ger> I'm building rust :)
- # [11:50] <MikeSmith> darobin: I just made it today to have a place to put 2dcontext results for plh
- # [11:50] <darobin> Ms2ger: https://github.com/w3c/test-results
- # [11:50] <Ms2ger> I see
- # [11:51] <darobin> MikeSmith: we had a directory for those in w3c/html already (but I'm happy to move them all
- # [11:51] <Ms2ger> (Well, I don't, I don't have a browser open, but I can guess)
- # [11:51] <darobin> MikeSmith: we could stick to the same layout as WPT and stuff result data in there I guess
- # [11:52] <MikeSmith> darobin: I don't think we should put results in the w-p-t repo itself. So I'd vote for moving out any that are in there now
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- # [11:53] <darobin> MikeSmith: I don't think we have any at this point :)
- # [11:53] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, I assume w3c/html is the forked-spec repo
- # [11:53] <darobin> MikeSmith: we have results in the dom and html fork repos
- # [11:53] <MikeSmith> ah I see what you're saying -- the spec repo
- # [11:54] <MikeSmith> darobin: keeping them in the spec repo wfm too
- # [11:54] <darobin> MikeSmith: I'm happy to centralise them in a single repo, I just put them in the spec repos because that was there
- # [11:54] <darobin> MikeSmith: actually, having a separate repo would be nice and clearer
- # [11:54] <MikeSmith> ok
- # [11:54] <darobin> so happy to move
- # [11:55] <MikeSmith> hai
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- # [15:05] <MikeSmith> zcorpan: about https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/showcomment?chain=3253 it seems xiaojunwu is waiting for some further guidance from you or denis.
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- # [15:10] <zcorpan> commented
- # [15:11] <MikeSmith> thanks
- # [15:12] <MikeSmith> I wonder where Zhang has been lately.
- # [15:17] <jgraham> darobin: I am entirely unconvinced by the "CSS as a submodule" approach
- # [15:18] <darobin> jgraham: really? why?
- # [15:18] <darobin> it seems like the lightestweight thing we can do
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- # [15:18] <darobin> (taking the whole of the situation into account)
- # [15:19] <jgraham> Well I'm not sure it will actually work and it seems confusing to contributers
- # [15:19] <jgraham> I mean it *can* work
- # [15:21] <jgraham> But it will require effort on the w-p-t side (to keep it up to date, to keep telling people that the CSS directory is special and that none of the normal rules apply), but only provides benefits for the CSSWG
- # [15:21] <jgraham> It's exactly the opposite of what we should be doing (if they want special extra review and special extra rules they get to pay the cost of that)
- # [15:22] <darobin> mmmm
- # [15:22] <darobin> I think that telling people about contribution won't be that hard
- # [15:22] <darobin> but we get to run it without having to care about their rules
- # [15:23] <darobin> one thing I've wondered about and would really like to see exist: some equivalent of git modules that's always brought up to date whenever you pull
- # [15:23] <jgraham> CSS has a build step afaik, so it's not just about updating the pointer it's about rebuilding the tests
- # [15:23] <odinho> git alias a command to do it? :)
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- # [15:24] <darobin> mmmmm
- # [15:24] <darobin> I thought they'd got rid of their build step?
- # [15:24] <jgraham> Did they? I hope so
- # [15:24] <darobin> odinho: yeah, it has crossed my mind :)
- # [15:25] <darobin> jgraham: I recall some chatter about this, but I didn't pay much attention
- # [15:25] <Ms2ger`> I'd be surprised
- # [15:25] <jgraham> I think explaining to people that if you commit a test to /CSS/* all the normal rules about where the test ends up and where review happens are different is a big burden
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- # [15:25] <jgraham> The right way to solve this is for w-p-t to act as a big pool of tests
- # [15:26] <jgraham> And for CSS to layer their extra metadata and requirements on top of that
- # [15:26] <Ms2ger`> The right way is to ignore csswg-tests and take CSS tests the usual way
- # [15:26] <Ms2ger`> Let's just do that and make darobin do the politics
- # [15:26] <darobin> I think that if there's only one exception and that exception is a big one like CSS people will figure it out
- # [15:26] <darobin> just to be clear: I'm not disputing that we could be in a more ideal world
- # [15:27] <darobin> Ms2ger`: heh, politics is just People Hacking ;)
- # [15:27] <jgraham> I thik selling out test authors to satisfy CSSWG politics is pretty sad
- # [15:27] <Ms2ger`> darobin, surely a more useful thing for you to do than forking :)
- # [15:28] <odinho> (I'm sitting and +1-ing jgraham btw, just not spamming the channel too much :D )
- # [15:28] <darobin> Ms2ger`: I don't think that counting the things that are more useful than forking is a great use of your time
- # [15:28] <darobin> Ms2ger`: though I'm sure it makes for an interesting counting problem :)
- # [15:29] <darobin> jgraham: I don't think it's selling out test authors, or at the very least I don't think that's the way of putting it that's most conducive to figuring out the best way forward here :)
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- # [15:30] <darobin> jgraham: I see it more as giving the CSS WG a taste of how cool it is to be part of WPT and setting things up so that developers will be asking that they join properly in droves
- # [15:30] <darobin> oh wait, did I say that out loud? I really hope plinss doesn't read the logs :)
- # [15:38] <jgraham> darobin: It might indeed be better than nothing, but I think we should at least invesigate the viability of the reverse solution before we settle on the suboptimal one
- # [15:38] <darobin> jgraham: I thought that discussion didn't work out, but if you think it could then certainly!
- # [15:38] <jgraham> It seems like the CSS WG could be in roughly the same position it is today by simply copying the tests out of w-p-t into their hg repo every so often
- # [15:39] <darobin> if that works for them, I'm happy
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- # [19:36] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] plehegar opened pull request #943: Removing unused files and tools (master...tools-cleanup) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/943
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- # [20:18] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham pushed 1 new commit to jgraham/webvtt_reftest: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/17f02b3037840cd33fa8f437f5795f305632065a
- # [20:18] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/jgraham/webvtt_reftest 17f02b3 James Graham: fixup! Update webvtt reftests to use reftest-wait mechanism.
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The end :)