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  24. # [05:42] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] sevaseva opened pull request #987: Replacing use of find_element_by_tag_name that doesn't exist in the spec (master...by_tag_name) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/987
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  54. # [11:59] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] sevaseva opened pull request #988: Some tests for BODY element visibility: must always be displayed no matter what. (master...v1) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/988
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  62. # [12:16] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] alsemenov opened pull request #989: tests for chapter '8.1 Extensions to Document Interface' (master...submission/unipro-custom-elements-14) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/989
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  83. # [14:10] <AutomatedTester> wilhelm: yt?
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  87. # [14:53] <MikeSmith> jgraham: I'm still holding out hope you'll find a clever solution to the other case of the JS test runner hanging that I mentioned
  88. # [14:54] <MikeSmith> I mean not the "path with no tests at all" case but "path with only reftests" case
  89. # [14:59] <jgraham> MikeSmith: I should have time to look at that later today
  90. # [14:59] <jgraham> Unless Windows kills me first
  91. # [14:59] * MikeSmith calculates the probability..
  92. # [15:00] <MikeSmith> jgraham: magic eight ball is asking me, "Windows 8 or Windows 7?"
  93. # [15:01] <jgraham> Well I gave up using 8
  94. # [15:02] <wilhelm> AutomatedTester: Party here. (c:
  95. # [15:02] * Ms2ger throws a fish at wilhelm
  96. # [15:02] <wilhelm> eh, partly
  97. # [15:03] <Ms2ger> Hah
  98. # [15:03] * wilhelm cna't write.
  99. # [15:03] <MikeSmith> doesn't sound like such a fun party when you put a period at the end
  100. # [15:03] <Ms2ger> Is your boss watching?
  101. # [15:03] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, hey, could've been a kid...
  102. # [15:03] <MikeSmith> or especailly when you call it is a "Partly"
  103. # [15:04] <wilhelm> I'm standing in a print shop, waiting for the printer to finish wrangling the printer so it starts printing.
  104. # [15:04] <Ms2ger> People print?
  105. # [15:04] <jgraham> The printer wrangling the printer?
  106. # [15:05] <Ms2ger> What are you printing, the HTML spec?
  107. # [15:05] <Ms2ger> jgraham, the [human] printer wrangling the [machine] printer?
  108. # [15:05] <wilhelm> Ms2ger: Worse!
  109. # [15:05] <Ms2ger> wilhelm, CSS2?
  110. # [15:05] <wilhelm> Worse!
  111. # [15:06] <Ms2ger> Your tax forms?
  112. # [15:06] <jgraham> Ms2ger: I assumed it was the other way around
  113. # [15:06] <jgraham> wilhelm: Not the RDF spec?
  114. # [15:06] <Ms2ger> That makes for a funnier picture
  115. # [15:06] <wilhelm> I'm giving a lecture on the Norwegian web accessibility legislation tomorrow. I'm printing the subset of the WCAG spec that applies. (c;
  116. # [15:07] <Ms2ger> I'm so sorry
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  122. # [16:04] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] hallvors closed pull request #974: Test should be for compliance with actual spec (master...patch-1) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/974
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  126. # [16:21] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] caitp opened pull request #990: Assert that SyntaxError DOMException is thrown (master...patch-4) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/990
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  131. # [16:40] <jgraham> A WebDriver f2f in London you say? I should come and tell you your spec sucks ;)
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  133. # [16:40] <Ms2ger> When is it?
  134. # [16:40] <wilhelm> jgraham: Yes. Yes, you should.
  135. # [16:41] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Start of July sometime I think
  136. # [16:41] <wilhelm> Ms2ger: July 8th. Ish. We're trying to figure that out.
  137. # [16:41] <Ms2ger> Mm
  138. # [16:41] <Ms2ger> I should come and complain too
  139. # [16:41] <Ms2ger> I'll make wilhelm print the spec and bring a box of red pens
  140. # [16:42] <wilhelm> That's a good idea, actually.
  141. # [16:42] <wilhelm> You are also free to complain in the bug tracker and on the mailing list, if you prefer. Feedback plz.
  142. # [16:42] <Ms2ger> AutomatedTester always tells me to wait :)
  143. # [16:43] <AutomatedTester> Ms2ger: and jgraham tell me my spec sucks regularly
  144. # [16:44] <zcorpan_> AutomatedTester: i can tell you that, too, if you like
  145. # [16:44] <AutomatedTester> and then tell me how to fix which is great
  146. # [16:44] <wilhelm> I don't think waiting is a good idea. Sure, there will be a slight duplication of effort. But we save calendar time.
  147. # [16:44] <wilhelm> So please, please review the spec at your earliest convenience.
  148. # [16:44] <AutomatedTester> wilhelm: I only tell Ms2ger to wait ;)
  149. # [16:44] <wilhelm> Ohh. He's special?
  150. # [16:44] <AutomatedTester> yea
  151. # [16:44] <Ms2ger> Verry
  152. # [16:45] <Ms2ger> I would write strongly worded emails
  153. # [16:45] <wilhelm> He should wait until after REC, ideally?
  154. # [16:45] <AutomatedTester> wilhelm: no, before rec, but I still have a lot of editing to do
  155. # [16:46] <AutomatedTester> wilhelm: plus, waiting for Ms2ger to be on holiday
  156. # [16:46] <wilhelm> That's fine. Then those change suggestions will be slightly duplicated. (c:
  157. # [16:46] <AutomatedTester> so he can put proper effort into it
  158. # [16:46] <wilhelm> Oh, good idea.
  159. # [16:46] <Ms2ger> They usually call it "internship"
  160. # [16:46] <AutomatedTester> wilhelm: I dont want to impact his studies
  161. # [16:47] <jgraham> So, you're waiting for him to go on holiday so he can read specs?
  162. # [16:47] <wilhelm> Ms2ger: When is your holiday? :D
  163. # [16:47] <jgraham> Is WebDriver going to be this summer's top beach read?
  164. # [16:48] <AutomatedTester> jgraham: yup
  165. # [16:48] <wilhelm> jgraham: It won't be a top seller. The spec says "This specification is intended for implementors of the WebDriver API. It is not intended as light bed time reading."
  166. # [16:48] <jgraham> People will sit around drinking cocktails saying things like "did you see the bit where they called a Top Level Browsing Context a Window? It was so funny I almost wet myself"
  167. # [16:48] <Ms2ger> AutomatedTester, so if I want to go to the beach with your spec during my internship, you'll approve it?
  168. # [16:49] <AutomatedTester> Ms2ger: yes I will
  169. # [16:49] <AutomatedTester> Ms2ger: unfortunately I cant approve your expenses but you are approved to go to the beach
  170. # [16:49] <AutomatedTester> on weekends
  171. # [16:49] <Ms2ger> Heh
  172. # [16:49] <Ms2ger> Pah
  173. # [16:49] <wilhelm> I'll approve your expenses if it yields a good spec review.
  174. # [16:49] <wilhelm> :P
  175. # [16:50] <AutomatedTester> wilhelm: approve and pay?
  176. # [16:50] <jgraham> Nah, just say "those look like good expenses"
  177. # [16:50] <wilhelm> Sure. :P
  178. # [16:51] <Ms2ger> jgraham, btw, is there a free desk near yours?
  179. # [16:51] <wilhelm> Ms2ger: Only about 200.
  180. # [16:51] <wilhelm> Last time I checked.
  181. # [16:51] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Yes
  182. # [16:51] <wilhelm> Desks, that is.
  183. # [16:51] <jgraham> Not really 200. But there is plenty of space.
  184. # [16:51] <Ms2ger> I'll tell HR I've already laid a claim on a desk, then :)
  185. # [16:52] <jgraham> You could be next to SimonSapin, perhaps. It be like having people in the same team work near each other
  186. # [16:52] <AutomatedTester> Ms2ger: did you get the internship
  187. # [16:52] <AutomatedTester> ?
  188. # [16:52] <jgraham> *would
  189. # [16:52] <Ms2ger> AutomatedTester, I have an offer call tonight
  190. # [16:53] <AutomatedTester> Ms2ger: for Laaaaahndaaahn
  191. # [16:53] <AutomatedTester> or in the US?
  192. # [16:53] <Ms2ger> I'm going to try for London
  193. # [16:53] <AutomatedTester> awesome
  194. # [16:53] <Ms2ger> Can I quote you on that? :)
  195. # [16:53] <jgraham> Our US-biased internship policy makes me very grumpy
  196. # [16:54] * Ms2ger quotes jgraham too
  197. # [16:54] <wilhelm> You're always grumpy. What's the difference?
  198. # [16:54] <Ms2ger> Heeeeyoooooo
  199. # [16:58] <AutomatedTester> the internship policy is a bit silly
  200. # [16:58] <AutomatedTester> especially since our ateam interns are in california and we have no staff in california
  201. # [16:58] <jgraham> AutomatedTester: I see you have nativised
  202. # [16:59] <jgraham> using "a bit" in en-gb
  203. # [16:59] <jgraham> s/en-gb/the en-gb sense/
  204. # [16:59] <AutomatedTester> :)
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  208. # [17:02] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham created jgraham/runner_no_tests (+1 new commit): https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/4595d7278f21
  209. # [17:02] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/jgraham/runner_no_tests 4595d72 James Graham: Ensure that runner UI ends up in correct state when there are no tests to run.
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  211. # [17:02] * Ms2ger wonders if the Google people take interns in London
  212. # [17:03] <AutomatedTester> Ms2ger: they do
  213. # [17:03] <AutomatedTester> the web testing team, who worked on webdriver, had uk interns
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  215. # [17:05] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham opened pull request #991: Ensure that runner UI ends up in correct state when there are no tests t... (master...jgraham/runner_no_tests) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/991
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  217. # [17:05] <MikeSmith> oh nice
  218. # [17:06] <MikeSmith> oh yeah that's for just the no-tests case
  219. # [17:06] <jgraham> I think it works for both?
  220. # [17:07] <MikeSmith> really?
  221. # [17:07] <MikeSmith> I guess I should actually try it
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  223. # [17:07] <jgraham> Well if I try running just reftests in /dom it seems to do nothing in more or less the expected way
  224. # [17:11] <MikeSmith> jgraham: yeah but try using /html/rendering/replaced-elements/attributes-for-embedded-content-and-images for the path, with the default settings
  225. # [17:11] <MikeSmith> so it stops after looking for testharness tests and not finding any
  226. # [17:12] <MikeSmith> because that subdir only has reftests
  227. # [17:14] <odinho> My team has interns too. But I'm not doing webtech stuff, so not that interesting here :) Although part of my team is doing testing.
  228. # [17:15] <Ms2ger> odinho, but where are you based? ;)
  229. # [17:16] <wilhelm> Don't come here. Oslo sucks.
  230. # [17:16] <Ms2ger> wilhelm, you don't take interns? ;)
  231. # [17:16] <odinho> Oslo-oslo-oslooo. Oslo is nice.
  232. # [17:17] <odinho> Very little rain (except today).
  233. # [17:17] <wilhelm> I do, actually. I already have two, though. (c;
  234. # [17:17] <Ms2ger> Heh
  235. # [17:17] <Ms2ger> The team doubled in size? :)
  236. # [17:17] <wilhelm> There's seven of us now.
  237. # [17:17] <wilhelm> I still have no idea what I'm doing.
  238. # [17:23] * jgraham had interns in Opera Sweden working on web tech
  239. # [17:23] <jgraham> Dunno if they have any these days ofc
  240. # [17:25] <jgraham> MikeSmith: I see
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  242. # [17:30] <odinho> jgraham: I'm in Desktop, you were not. - Guess I could get my interns to work on webtech stuff though, just have to be sneaky about it :P O_o
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  245. # [17:34] <jgraham> odinho: You weren't in Desktop at the time either
  246. # [17:34] <jgraham> I guess zcorpan would know, if he hadn't just quit
  247. # [17:49] <odinho> jgraham: Ah-ok. I never had any interns before :)
  248. # [17:49] * jgraham had gsnedders (sort of)
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  256. # [18:46] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham pushed 2 new commits to jgraham/runner_no_tests: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/compare/4595d7278f21...f3bc846c9928
  257. # [18:46] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/jgraham/runner_no_tests 6e2d94b James Graham: Fix ManifestIterator so that we try the next test type when there are no tests of a given type.
  258. # [18:46] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/jgraham/runner_no_tests f3bc846 James Graham: Fix the reftest UI a bit.
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  260. # [18:52] <gsnedders> jgraham: Sort of? I was pretty much your intern initally.
  261. # [18:55] <gsnedders> jgraham: I debated coming to the previus WebDriver f2f in London and saying it sucked. You're closer now, though :)
  262. # [18:55] <wilhelm> Oh, where is zcorpan off to?
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  264. # [18:57] <wilhelm> Oh, that kind of quit.
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  266. # [18:59] <jgraham> gsnedders: I'm not sure if you were officially my intern or not. Not that it made any difference in practice
  267. # [19:00] <jgraham> (in the sense that you just got on doing useful stuff irrespective of your official status)
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  269. # [19:01] <jgraham> (erm, I'm not sure I managed to make that make sense. Originally gsnedders was an intern. I'm not sure if I was officially any kind of mentor or not, but it pretty much didn't matter who his mentor was because he just got on with useful things)
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  272. # [19:18] <gsnedders> jgraham: hmm, yeah, true. I think officially I may have been mentored by bratell.
  273. # [19:19] <gsnedders> (Someone should get me a internship working on whatever I want to. :))
  274. # [19:22] <gsnedders> (Even if it is just spending August/early Sept working on "experimenting with ways of making the type system ensure security properties in a language that might actually have a web browser written in".)
  275. # [19:22] <gsnedders> (Or something.)
  276. # [19:31] <Ms2ger> I'm afraid I stole the last position with Mozilla Research
  277. # [19:34] <jgraham> Ms2ger: You are coming to London?
  278. # [19:35] <Ms2ger> Waiting for the call
  279. # [19:35] <jgraham> Ah, I thought that was an annoucement
  280. # [19:35] <Ms2ger> No
  281. # [19:35] <gsnedders> Ms2ger: heh, I only want something for like 5/6 weeks at most anyway
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