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  6. # [00:38] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] sideshowbarker pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/compare/54221287ed74...c6c5edbb4581
  7. # [00:38] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 158f087 Zhiqiang Zhang: Remove all manifest files from subdirectories...
  8. # [00:38] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master c6c5edb Michael[tm] Smith: Merge pull request #1106 from zqzhang/zqzhang/manifest-remove...
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  51. # [07:45] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] zqzhang pushed 4 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/compare/c6c5edbb4581...80f5cbd1ff16
  52. # [07:45] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 9d6ce48 Xie Yunxiao: Add more tests for IDBIndex getKey
  53. # [07:45] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 6a1d9f2 Xie Yunxiao: Fix open issues
  54. # [07:45] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master b4f5d12 Xie Yunxiao: Remove 'oncomplete' callback
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  57. # [07:49] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] zqzhang closed pull request #841: Put authorship information into IndexedDB test files (master...yunxiaoxie/IndexedDB-authorship) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/841
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  109. # [14:46] <AutomatedTester> MikeSmith: could you email someone about finding the bugzilla REST endpoint. I have asked in #sysreq a few times at different times of the day and never get a response
  110. # [14:47] <MikeSmith> AutomatedTester: yeah will do
  111. # [14:48] <Yves> I did that on june 16th
  112. # [14:48] <AutomatedTester> Yves: and did you get a reply?
  113. # [14:48] <Yves> it was assigned to someone, no news after that
  114. # [14:48] <Yves> I'll ping again
  115. # [14:49] <AutomatedTester> thanks!
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  119. # [15:10] <MikeSmith> o/win 212
  120. # [15:11] <MikeSmith> oofs
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  122. # [15:15] <jgraham> 212? That's some serious ircing
  123. # [15:15] <MikeSmith> like a boss
  124. # [15:15] <MikeSmith> actualy it's 2112
  125. # [15:16] <MikeSmith> I just mistyped it
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  134. # [17:07] * jgraham hopes someone is finding these emails useful
  135. # [17:07] <jgraham> Because they are currently like 1/4 of all emails to public-test-infra
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  137. # [17:15] <Ms2ger> I'm not
  138. # [17:16] <Ms2ger> Did anybody ask for them?
  139. # [17:16] <jgraham> They started after the AC? meeting. So I wonder if someone there suggested it
  140. # [17:17] * Ms2ger pokes plh
  141. # [17:18] <jgraham> I don't object to them if someone does find them useful
  142. # [17:18] <astearns> I find them interesting. Not quite up to useful
  143. # [17:20] <AutomatedTester> I appear to not get emails from that list
  144. # [17:20] <Ms2ger> They're just interesting enough that I'll read them
  145. # [17:20] <Ms2ger> But not interesting enough that I get anything out of them
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  150. # [17:48] <plh> which emails?
  151. # [17:58] <MikeSmith> plh: the "Testing Update" messages, I assume
  152. # [17:59] <plh> ah, for anyone who is involved on #testing on a daily basis, I don't expect those messages to be useful
  153. # [17:59] <plh> they're more targeted for folks who can't follow the PR or #testing on a daily basis
  154. # [18:00] <MikeSmith> plh: then it would be good to also get some feedback from the people they're targeted to -- to hear if those people find them useful
  155. # [18:00] <plh> and I do so everytime I have the opportunity
  156. # [18:01] <MikeSmith> plh: but I think the fact that Ms2ger & jgraham don't find them useful is still worthwhile feedback
  157. # [18:01] <MikeSmith> ok
  158. # [18:01] <MikeSmith> plh: I wasn't implying you weren't :-)
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  166. # [19:12] <Ms2ger> MikeSmith, so many lies in your console spec...
  167. # [19:12] <Ms2ger> The following is an example that uses a format string.
  168. # [19:12] <Ms2ger> Example:
  169. # [19:12] <Ms2ger> console.log()
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  171. # [19:28] <Yves> AutomatedTester, expect more news tomorrow... hopefully ;)
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  173. # [19:48] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: "I want the truth!"
  174. # [19:48] <MikeSmith> MikeSmith: "You can't handle the truth!"
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  176. # [20:11] <plh> MikeSmith, I don't mean to exclude Ms2ger and jgraham, I just don't think they need to be told about what going in our github repo since they're always on top
  177. # [20:12] <jgraham> plh: FWIW my objection is more that the email is a kind of wall of text that it's hard to learn anything from
  178. # [20:12] <jgraham> Also, for people who aren't really reading, weekly might be too often. Monthly emails would work better, perhaps
  179. # [20:13] <plh> re wall of text, Art suggested we use ... HTML for the text format
  180. # [20:13] <plh> that would avoid all those visible links
  181. # [20:13] <jgraham> That's not the problem, really
  182. # [20:13] <plh> re weekly/monthly, it's possible that monthly would work better. I don't have enough data to judge yet
  183. # [20:14] <plh> is it the wall of text or the wall of data then?
  184. # [20:14] <jgraham> Wall of data, perhaps
  185. # [20:14] <jgraham> It feels like we don't really know what the use case here is, so we're just throwing everything at the wall in case something sticks
  186. # [20:15] <plh> my use case is informning people who don't have the time to keep track of what's going on in github PR
  187. # [20:16] <jgraham> That isn't a use case, really
  188. # [20:16] <plh> and yes, we might have started with too much info
  189. # [20:17] <plh> call it a goal then?
  190. # [20:19] <jgraham> Well a use case would probably mention specific information that people want, and what they are trying to do with it.
  191. # [20:20] <jgraham> A sample use case would be something like "AutomatedTester wants to see how many PRs are being authored and reviewed by people in Mozilla each month so he can make sure they are doing their jobs"
  192. # [20:20] <jgraham> (as it happens that would be a silly use case, but you get the general idea)
  193. # [20:21] <plh> make senses. then, to be honest, I would say that we don't know enough about the use case yet
  194. # [20:21] <plh> I see as an experiment at the moment
  195. # [20:21] <plh> and hoping to learn from it
  196. # [20:21] <jgraham> So why did we start doing this? Did people ask for it, ot did we just have the idea that it could be useful?
  197. # [20:21] <plh> I started it because people didn't know what was going on in general
  198. # [20:22] <Ms2ger> And we wanted to show them we weren't all slacking off?
  199. # [20:23] <jgraham> So the use case is something like "The W3C wants to make its Members better informed about the current work that's happening in web-platform-tests so that (whatever you expect the benefits of awareness to be)"
  200. # [20:24] <jgraham> In that case I would dramatically cut the amount of information
  201. # [20:25] <jgraham> Like I don't think that anyone, at a high level, care that Ms2ger is doing code review that doesn't already know that to be the case
  202. # [20:25] <Ms2ger> Heh
  203. # [20:25] <jgraham> I would also consider having a web-page with more detailed information
  204. # [20:34] * plh gets distracted. brb.
  205. # [20:43] <plh> jgraham, seems fair enough
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  208. # [21:46] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] djc opened pull request #1108: Improve RadioNodeList tests (master...master) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1108
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  217. # [23:51] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham created jgraham/manifest_no_git (+1 new commit): https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/735f38e4d197
  218. # [23:51] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/jgraham/manifest_no_git 735f38e James Graham: Ensure that just reading a manifest file doesn't require us to be in a git repo....
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  221. # [23:51] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham opened pull request #1109: Ensure that just reading a manifest file doesn't require us to be in a g... (master...jgraham/manifest_no_git) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1109
  222. # [23:51] * Parts: gitbot (~gitbot@public.cloak) (gitbot)
  223. # [23:52] <jgraham> r? https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/2056
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