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  20. # [01:24] <MikeSmith> jgraham: has it always been broken with local files?
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  22. # [01:43] <jgraham> MikeSmith: Erm, dunno. The data format changed recently so that could have broken it, but I'm not sure if it ever worked
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  30. # [03:36] <MikeSmith> jgraham: yay we now have 4GB of RAM on w3c-test.org. And twice as many cores! (which is to say, 2 now, instead of just 1)
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  39. # [06:35] <xiaoqian> MikeSmith: Did I merge something wrong in my branch yesterday? Sorry, I noticed something unusual, but I was in a hurry to leave so I didn't dive into this
  40. # [06:36] <MikeSmith> xiaoqian: yeah it seems you did, but no worries
  41. # [06:36] <MikeSmith> nothing's fatal :)
  42. # [06:38] <xiaoqian> MikeSmith: Apologize, will be more careful next time :(
  43. # [06:39] <MikeSmith> xiaoqian: "no harm, no foul" ☺
  44. # [06:40] <MikeSmith> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/no_harm,_no_foul
  45. # [06:41] <xiaoqian> Ditto ;)
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  48. # [06:58] <jgraham> MikeSmith: Excellent
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  55. # [07:17] <MikeSmith> jgraham: we have some other issue on the w3c-test.org host with i/o operations -- e.g., simple cp operations -- taking excessively long times to complete, and extremely high iowaits showing up while they're running. So we're trying to figure out what the cause it
  56. # [07:17] <MikeSmith> *is
  57. # [07:22] <jgraham> MikeSmith: I just discovered a thing called iotop that seems helpful in this regard
  58. # [07:22] <MikeSmith> jgraham: yup, been using that some
  59. # [07:22] <MikeSmith> and also normal iostat
  60. # [07:22] <jgraham> MikeSmith: OK, seems like you are well ahead of me then
  61. # [07:24] <MikeSmith> nah I'm basically at the level of rubbing sticks together to make fire
  62. # [07:25] <MikeSmith> but at this point this one's stumping even our accomplished fire-makers on the systems team
  63. # [07:27] <jgraham> If it's a VM it could be something on an entirely different VM on the same hardware, I guess? I don't exactly know how that works
  64. # [07:37] <wilhelm> The SPARTAN slaves used to have trouble with that. Ten different VMs trashing the same spinning disks while unzipping builds. No great success.
  65. # [07:41] <MikeSmith> yeah it is a VM and next step is figuring out whether it's also a problem with other VMs on the same machine, and similar VMs on other machines
  66. # [07:42] <MikeSmith> but I know it's possible to provision VMs in such as way that you don't observe these kinds of problems
  67. # [07:43] <MikeSmith> clearly, VPS hosting providers must have a way to handle it fine, or otherwise they'd have a lot of unhappy customers
  68. # [07:44] <MikeSmith> also clearly it probably has a lot do with with why type of disk storage is used
  69. # [07:45] <MikeSmith> but I think the people who provisioned these VMs are well aware of that and didn't do it naively
  70. # [07:47] <MikeSmith> the thing is, I guess for a lot of cases you normally don't observe the effects very directly unless you're in a shell on the host and doing things on teh filesystem
  71. # [07:47] <MikeSmith> certainly for our case where we're mostly just running a web server that's not writing much back to the file system
  72. # [07:49] <wilhelm> From what I can recall, I think we just made virtual disks in RAM and unzipped builds there. That won't help this case. (c:
  73. # [07:49] <MikeSmith> I guess it might be more observeable from the server side / web side if we were also running a database backend or whatever and doing a lot of writes
  74. # [07:49] <MikeSmith> heh
  75. # [07:49] <MikeSmith> yeah
  76. # [07:50] <MikeSmith> anyway in our cases I think the thing that does hit the i/o performance issue a bit more is the github sync stuff
  77. # [07:50] <MikeSmith> which is kind of what got me started looking into this
  78. # [07:51] <MikeSmith> because that seems to fail sometimes in strange ways without much of an indication of what the underlying trouble was
  79. # [07:55] <jgraham> I can believe that
  80. # [08:03] <MikeSmith> anyway I hope the resolution on this doesn't end up being that I find out we're knowingly using some crappily performing disk setup for these VM hosts except that I'm the only one who didn't know that, and answer is, Yeah we already know the disk performance isn't what it should be but anyway they're not intended for running mission-critical services, so, sorry you just have to live with it
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  89. # [09:05] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] zcorpan closed pull request #1435: postMessage with zero or one argument shall throw SyntaxError (master...postMessage-exception) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1435
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  101. # [12:10] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] siusin opened pull request #1439: WebMessaging__3rd param not Transferable should throw TypeError (master...fix-webmessaging-withport025026-TypeError) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1439
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  106. # [13:11] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] zcorpan closed pull request #1438: fix structured-cloning with getter properties (master...fix-webmessaging-withoutports026-getterclone) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1438
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  109. # [13:52] <ArtB> zcorpan, Ms2ger, when you get a spare minute, I would greatly appreciate it, if you would please review xiaoqian's https://specs.webplatform.org/url/webspecs/develop/ (webmessaging)?
  110. # [13:53] <Ms2ger> ArtB, is that the right url?
  111. # [13:53] <ArtB> ooops; sorry https://github.com/siusin/web-platform-tests/commit/4ac60e762f65900f7b8746530acca32b98aff21e
  112. # [13:54] <zcorpan> ArtB: already reviewed. https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/3350
  113. # [13:57] <ArtB> zcorpan, oh, sorry I missed your comment. I presume you consider the substantive changes as ok?
  114. # [13:58] <zcorpan> ArtB: it's marked as reviewed, so yes
  115. # [13:59] <ArtB> ok thanks!
  116. # [13:59] <zcorpan> np
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  126. # [14:49] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Want to help bhill out by reviewing the merge commit in https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/31d9881f?review=2953 ? I don't think there's anything very difficult there
  127. # [14:51] <Ms2ger> r+
  128. # [14:52] <jgraham> Thanks
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  131. # [15:08] <MikeSmith> friends, we have deployed some system changes on w3c-test.org to address the io issues
  132. # [15:09] <MikeSmith> and believe they solve the problems I'd mentioned here earlier
  133. # [15:09] <MikeSmith> hopefuly without any ill side effects
  134. # [15:10] <MikeSmith> so if you use w3c-test.org and notice any weirdness, please let me know
  135. # [15:10] <MikeSmith> ArtB: ↑
  136. # [15:11] <ArtB> MikeSmith, ok, thanks for the headsup!
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  145. # [16:01] <ArtB> MikeSmith - is the websockets testing environment alive and working? (I'm getting blocks on two diff systems and two diff networks)
  146. # [16:07] <MikeSmith> ArtB: not sure, haven't tried it recently
  147. # [16:07] <MikeSmith> ArtB: you're testing it locally and it doesn't work?
  148. # [16:07] <MikeSmith> with wptserve and the not custom config file?
  149. # [16:08] <ArtB> no, via tools/runner/index.html
  150. # [16:14] <jgraham> On w3c-test.org?
  151. # [16:14] <jgraham> Or locally?
  152. # [16:17] <jgraham> ArtB: ^
  153. # [16:19] <ArtB> sorry, guys, http://w3c-test.org/tools/runner/index.html
  154. # [16:32] * ArtB +ToDo: figure out how to run tools/runner/index.html locally
  155. # [16:33] <jgraham> ArtB: python serve.py; navigate to http://web-platform.test:8000, if you followed the configuration steps in the readme file
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  160. # [17:02] <MikeSmith> ArtB: you'll need to edit your /etc/hosts file on your PC but that's documented in the readme
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  162. # [17:04] <MikeSmith> ArtB: but if you point me and other here at the pathnames of the particular websockets tests have unexpected results, we can try them and see
  163. # [17:06] <MikeSmith> though I might not be able myself to do that until a few hours from now (it's 1am here and my wife has this thing of insisting I get some sleep)
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  165. # [17:14] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] brunoabinader opened pull request #1440: Added test for Element's custom attributes (master...custom-attrs) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1440
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  168. # [17:29] <ArtB> thanks MikeSmith; get some sleep; your wife's concerns are >>>>>>>>>> important than mine ;-)
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  190. # [19:18] <ato> jgraham: Any idea where this comes from? https://gist.github.com/andreastt/c10bde8ca7aa8031a282
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  206. # [20:13] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] Ms2ger pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/compare/733d05346382...4acef027ad02
  207. # [20:13] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 75a87d9 Bruno de Oliveira Abinader: Added test for Element's custom attributes...
  208. # [20:13] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 4acef02 Ms2ger: Merge pull request #1440 from brunoabinader/custom-attrs...
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  212. # [20:29] <jgraham> ato: You might need to regenerate your manifest file?
  213. # [20:33] <ato> FWIW --tests-root seems broken.
  214. # [20:34] <jgraham> Could be
  215. # [20:35] <ato> Regenerating worked, thanks.
  216. # [20:38] <ato> Also SIGINT doesn't work.
  217. # [20:39] <ato> Sorry, I misspelt tests-root.
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  228. # [21:16] <jgraham> SIGINT does work, but it's not perfect. In particular it doesn't work until tests start executing.
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  231. # [21:40] <ato> I mean for manifest.py.
  232. # [21:40] <ato> SIGINT for wptrunner works fairly well.
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  234. # [21:42] <jgraham> Oh
  235. # [21:42] <jgraham> I didn't do anyhing special there
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  258. # [23:10] <MikeSmith> actually for python in my experiences I find that a lot of python things don't work as expected with SIGINT
  259. # [23:13] <MikeSmith> artb: OK, anyway this is a great place to ask about particular test cases and get some responses in real time. Somebody here can go in a look at the test and, sometimes, give you a quick assessment about whether the test is broken or not, or whether something is broken in the harness or wptserve, etc.
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