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  1. # Session Start: Thu Dec 18 00:00:00 2014
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  39. # [08:10] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] birtles opened pull request #1474: Partial backout of changset 5c350461be64cada49fb54bb2bbe56946f069953 (master...backout-timeline-deletion) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1474
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  42. # [08:11] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] birtles closed pull request #1474: Partial backout of changset 5c350461be64cada49fb54bb2bbe56946f069953 (master...backout-timeline-deletion) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1474
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  55. # [10:41] <tobie> in Android 4.4. Compat definition: Because it is not feasible to develop a comprehensive test suite for a web rendering system, device implementers MUST use the specific upstream build of Chromium in the WebView implementation.
  56. # [10:42] * Parts: yatil (eeggert@public.cloak) (Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
  57. # [10:42] <jgraham> Context?
  58. # [10:43] <MikeSmith> "testing is hard, let's not do it"
  59. # [10:43] <tobie> https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/source.android.com/en//compatibility/android-cdd.pdf
  60. # [10:43] <tobie> https://source.android.com/compatibility/overview.html
  61. # [10:43] <tobie> yay interop
  62. # [10:44] <jgraham> Well out of context it sounds more like "due to [made up reason] you have to do [thing that happens to be in our best interests]"
  63. # [10:44] <tobie> MikeSmith: not hard, not feasible.
  64. # [10:44] <tobie> so while hixie is doing the impossible, sounds like you guys are doing the unfeasible
  65. # [10:45] <tobie> jgraham: tbh, it just sounds like "I have no clue what the Web is or how it works and I don't give a shit."
  66. # [10:46] <tobie> I heard about this thing called WebKit: use it.
  67. # [10:46] <jgraham> tobie: So I think the thing here is that "WebView" is badly misnamed since it's not really about the web at all
  68. # [10:46] <jgraham> It's more like "HTMLRendererView"
  69. # [10:46] <tobie> Oh, it's called Chromium, go use that instead?
  70. # [10:47] <tobie> jgraham: you obviously suck at branding APIs
  71. # [10:47] <jgraham> So the problem here is that people are building Android applications rather than websites
  72. # [10:47] <tobie> "HTML5RendererView" is what you'd want to call it
  73. # [10:47] * tobie ducks
  74. # [10:48] <jgraham> Once you are building Android applications you aren't going to bother making the content cross-browser compatible
  75. # [10:48] <jgraham> So this restriction makes sense in that context
  76. # [10:48] <tobie> oh, but you're putting back the statement in context.
  77. # [10:48] <tobie> That totally ruins the fun.
  78. # [10:49] <jgraham> Really the dumb choice is to sharecrop on someone else's platform
  79. # [10:50] <tobie> last sentence literally blew off the last functioning neurones I had this morning.
  80. # [10:50] <tobie> I'm going to get more coffee and see if that helps.
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  82. # [11:10] <zcorpan> jgraham eats tobie's synapses for breakfast
  83. # [11:11] <jgraham> Mmmmmm Braaaaaains
  84. # [11:18] <MikeSmith> jgraham: how are reftests automated in gecko testing? what does it use? why can't we just use the same with wptrunner?
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  86. # [11:19] <Ms2ger> The reftest addon and canvas2d.drawWindow, I suppose
  87. # [11:21] <MikeSmith> Ms2ger: it'll work with non-gecko engines? are you using it with servo?
  88. # [11:21] <Ms2ger> No, Servo will use its command line argument to dump the output to a file
  89. # [11:21] <Ms2ger> Once I get around to reviewing it
  90. # [11:23] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Seriously it would have been faster to review it than talk about reviewing it ;)
  91. # [11:23] <Ms2ger> Pah
  92. # [11:23] <Ms2ger> Gimme the link
  93. # [11:23] <jgraham> MikeSmith: What are you particularly worried about? wptrunner supports reftests (in gecko and in Servo modulo Ms2ger). Chrome support is rather trivial to add I think
  94. # [11:24] <jgraham> Ms2ger: https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/3416
  95. # [11:24] <jgraham> MikeSmith: It doesn't support non-exact matching (very hard) or the complex semantics of CSS reftests (just tiresome)
  96. # [11:25] <Ms2ger> jgraham, you were right... r+
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  98. # [11:27] -gitbot:#testing- [wptrunner] jgraham closed pull request #61: Implement a reftest executor for servo (master...jgraham/servo_reftest) https://github.com/w3c/wptrunner/pull/61
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  100. # [11:27] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Thanks
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  102. # [11:29] -gitbot:#testing- [wptrunner] jgraham pushed 1 new commit to jgraham/sync_restart: https://github.com/w3c/wptrunner/commit/0577fe848e78c8770bcb195c8b49162cee758ca5
  103. # [11:29] -gitbot:#testing- wptrunner/jgraham/sync_restart 0577fe8 James Graham: fixup! Rewrite update algorithm to be restartable and extensible.
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  106. # [11:49] <MikeSmith> jgraham: "worried" isn'tthe word it'd use. I'm just ignorant about it at this point, and curious
  107. # [11:50] <MikeSmith> just didn't have any idea at all at what the status of it was as far as being feasible across different engines
  108. # [11:51] <MikeSmith> I guess the thing tobie cited got me wondering about it
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  115. # [12:27] -gitbot:#testing- [wptrunner] jgraham pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/wptrunner/commit/b304b361d413a6b62247bb7d22cd818c69a6a050
  116. # [12:27] -gitbot:#testing- wptrunner/master b304b36 James Graham: Bump version number for release
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  120. # [12:30] <jgraham> MikeSmith: The current status is really "we don't have very many reftests and I don't understand the CSS testsuite"
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  122. # [12:34] -gitbot:#testing- [wptrunner] jgraham pushed 1 new commit to jgraham/sync_restart: https://github.com/w3c/wptrunner/commit/da750f241386969bcc870f1532810791b54e7dc7
  123. # [12:34] -gitbot:#testing- wptrunner/jgraham/sync_restart da750f2 James Graham: fixup! Rewrite update algorithm to be restartable and extensible.
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  125. # [12:37] <Ms2ger> jgraham, hrm, I guess the reftest executor doesn't leave me a diff of the screenshots
  126. # [12:39] <jgraham> Ms2ger: No, it doesn't
  127. # [12:39] <jgraham> Nor does the gecko one
  128. # [12:39] <jgraham> Think of that as a v2 feature :)
  129. # [12:40] <jgraham> (you are the first person to request it)
  130. # [12:41] <Ms2ger> Really?
  131. # [12:43] <jgraham> Well I mean it was obvious that someone would, eventually, but I'm not lying to you :p
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  133. # [12:51] <ted_> hack up reftest-analyzer to deal with its output?
  134. # [12:58] <jgraham> Well the point is that there is no output
  135. # [12:59] <jgraham> Or at least there isn't consisntently any
  136. # [12:59] <jgraham> I don't think that implementing the comparison is very difficult, it just needs to be done.
  137. # [13:04] * Ms2ger writes that down for ted_'s Q1
  138. # [13:05] <ted_> hah
  139. # [13:05] <ted_> reftest-analyzer relies on the fact that gecko's reftest tool spits out data: URLs for the two images
  140. # [13:06] <jgraham> What does reftest analyser actually do? Anything more than create a png with red where the images differed?
  141. # [13:06] <Ms2ger> You can zoom in!
  142. # [13:07] <Ms2ger> jgraham, do we support X == X-ref && X == X-ref2?
  143. # [13:07] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Yeah, but with different semantics to CSS
  144. # [13:08] <jgraham> So I would prefer you not using it right now :)
  145. # [13:08] <Ms2ger> Okay
  146. # [13:09] <jgraham> (we use multiple rel=match; they use rel=match to a reference that itself has a rel=match)
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  148. # [13:28] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] zcorpan opened pull request #1475: Add a manual test for :active and :hover quirk (master...quirk-active-hover) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1475
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  160. # [14:29] <ted_> jgraham: it uses SVG filters of some sort to highlight the differences
  161. # [14:31] <darobin> oooh, that's a nice trick
  162. # [14:49] <ted_> http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/tools/reftest/reftest-analyzer.xhtml#542
  163. # [14:49] <ted_> last i tried it that made it a little slow
  164. # [14:49] <ted_> but maybe it's gotten better
  165. # [14:51] <ted_> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/raw-file/0e441ff66c5e/layout/tools/reftest/reftest-analyzer.xhtml
  166. # [14:54] <ted_> here's a recent failure from our CI you can paste into the log box: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/8061452
  167. # [14:58] <jgraham> Neat
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  172. # [16:38] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham force-pushed jgraham/ssl_support from 8f9009f to fd0caab: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commits/jgraham/ssl_support
  173. # [16:38] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/jgraham/ssl_support d244b82 James Graham: Support running tests with SSL....
  174. # [16:38] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/jgraham/ssl_support f3a1dda James Graham: fixup! Support running tests with SSL.
  175. # [16:38] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/jgraham/ssl_support e331daf James Graham: fixup! fixup! Support running tests with SSL.
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  178. # [16:42] -gitbot:#testing- [wptrunner] jgraham force-pushed jgraham/ssl_support from ab54519 to 27ea0da: https://github.com/w3c/wptrunner/commits/jgraham/ssl_support
  179. # [16:42] -gitbot:#testing- wptrunner/jgraham/ssl_support b7af21d James Graham: Initial support for running tests with ssl enabled in Firefox.
  180. # [16:42] -gitbot:#testing- wptrunner/jgraham/ssl_support 388b06d James Graham: fixup! Initial support for running tests with ssl enabled in Firefox.
  181. # [16:42] -gitbot:#testing- wptrunner/jgraham/ssl_support 27ea0da James Graham: fixup! fixup! Initial support for running tests with ssl enabled in Firefox.
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  183. # [16:54] <zcorpan> MikeSmith: http://w3c-test.org/submissions/1475/ syncing broken?
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  230. # [22:23] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] hillbrad pushed 4 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/compare/2e2dfacc9315...cb2bb58f719e
  231. # [22:23] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master ed5f258 Bret Comnes: Wrote test for img-src-4_1...
  232. # [22:23] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 75af064 Brad Hill: move to img-src directory, content cleanup
  233. # [22:23] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 0e78ba0 Brad Hill: whitespace
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