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  55. # [12:58] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] ayg opened pull request #2239: Multiple tests per file please (master...title) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/2239
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  58. # [13:05] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] ayg opened pull request #2240: Don't break test unnecessarily in IE (master...title-ie-fix) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/2240
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  62. # [13:58] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham closed pull request #2239: Multiple tests per file please (master...title) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/2239
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  65. # [13:58] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/compare/5601d854cd19...4e05885f3b4f
  66. # [13:58] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master c792c12 Aryeh Gregor: Multiple tests per file please
  67. # [13:58] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 4e05885 jgraham: Merge pull request #2239 from ayg/title...
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  70. # [14:00] -gitbot:#testing- [wpt-tools] jgraham closed pull request #34: Bug 1203266 - Allow reading wpt manifests from a provided file object… (master...manifest-read) https://github.com/w3c/wpt-tools/pull/34
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  73. # [14:02] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham closed pull request #2240: Don't break test unnecessarily in IE (master...title-ie-fix) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/2240
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  76. # [14:02] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/compare/4e05885f3b4f...0845c64e7b7c
  77. # [14:02] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 234de88 Aryeh Gregor: Don't break test unnecessarily in IE...
  78. # [14:02] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 0845c64 jgraham: Merge pull request #2240 from ayg/title-ie-fix...
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  81. # [14:04] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] hallvors pushed 1 new commit to hallvors/window-opener: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/abe917f7bffefea2cadd1c3c501d50339f5c2d9c
  82. # [14:04] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/hallvors/window-opener abe917f Hallvord R. M. Steen: Removing some 'popups must be enabled' messages
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  87. # [14:08] <AryehGregor> The way you report HTML bugs is still to send an e-mail to the whatwg list and wait six months for Hixie to respond?
  88. # [14:08] <jgraham> Nope
  89. # [14:08] <AryehGregor> Oh, then how do you?
  90. # [14:08] <jgraham> There is github and stuff now
  91. # [14:09] <AryehGregor> GitHub is the recommended way to report issues?
  92. # [14:09] <jgraham> https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues
  93. # [14:10] <AryehGregor> Yay, welcome to the 21st century!
  94. # [14:12] <AryehGregor> SVG 1.1 is the spec to refer to for SVG?
  95. # [14:12] <AryehGregor> Well, it's what HTML references.
  96. # [14:16] <AryehGregor> So what's the way to get a change made in the HTML spec? Just file an issue and wait and someone will respond?
  97. # [14:16] <AryehGregor> Or do I have to poke people?
  98. # [14:16] <AryehGregor> https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/247
  99. # [14:16] <jgraham> File an issue I think
  100. # [14:16] <jgraham> You can ask in #whatwg too; annevk and others are editing the spec these days
  101. # [14:17] <AryehGregor> Oh, nice.
  102. # [14:17] <AryehGregor> What happened to Hixie, does he still exist?
  103. # [14:18] <jgraham> He exists
  104. # [14:18] <jgraham> As far as I know he's spending most of his time working on some speculative proprietary Google stuff that I don't really know much about
  105. # [14:21] <AryehGregor> Oh, huh.
  106. # [14:22] <AryehGregor> The end of an era.
  107. # [14:22] <AryehGregor> Probably easier to get changes made, then.
  108. # [14:26] <jgraham> He does still contribute a little ot HTML, but the fact that he isn't spending much time on it is more or less why this change happened
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  110. # [14:48] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] ayg opened pull request #2241: More multiple tests per file (master...names-multiple-tests) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/2241
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  113. # [14:49] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/5b100ca79886b7ee2683bfa0ddb9c8301f3cf1d4
  114. # [14:49] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 5b100ca James Graham: Update to latest wpt-tools submodule
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  117. # [15:12] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] Ms2ger closed pull request #2241: More multiple tests per file (master...names-multiple-tests) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/2241
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  119. # [15:12] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, any particular reason you're splitting up tests?
  120. # [15:13] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger: Because if it's all one big test, 1) it makes it hard to see what you actually failed (subsequent failures are concealed), 2) the test doesn't help for regression testing unless you pass everything in the file.
  121. # [15:13] <Ms2ger> I know why it's better
  122. # [15:13] <AryehGregor> Oh, okay.
  123. # [15:14] <Ms2ger> Just wondering why these particular tests
  124. # [15:14] <AryehGregor> I'm just going through the tests Gecko fails.
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  126. # [15:14] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham created sync_bdf5b74bef3e0a72fbc283f7c69ea5e84e56a0b3 (+1 new commit): https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/bdf5b74bef3e
  127. # [15:14] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/sync_bdf5b74bef3e0a72fbc283f7c69ea5e84e56a0b3 bdf5b74 Karl Tomlinson: test for bug 864171 and bug 1053011 r=padenot
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  129. # [15:14] <AryehGregor> And fixing Gecko, generally.
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  131. # [15:14] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/7044f450d29ccbd778b4e2355b9496c3c4b4c736
  132. # [15:14] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 7044f45 jgraham: Merge pull request #2242 from w3c/sync_bdf5b74bef3e0a72fbc283f7c69ea5e84e56a0b3...
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  135. # [15:14] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham created sync_24929416ade48c2395348142b36b3e5d8c3df758 (+1 new commit): https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/24929416ade4
  136. # [15:14] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/sync_24929416ade48c2395348142b36b3e5d8c3df758 2492941 Martin Thomson: Updating webplatform-tests,...
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  138. # [15:14] <Ms2ger> Great :)
  139. # [15:14] <jgraham> Sigh, I really wish gecko people would put useful messages on their commits
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  141. # [15:14] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham closed pull request #2243: Updating webplatform-tests, (master...sync_24929416ade48c2395348142b36b3e5d8c3df758) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/2243
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  144. # [15:14] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] jgraham deleted sync_24929416ade48c2395348142b36b3e5d8c3df758 at 2492941: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/2492941
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  146. # [15:14] <jgraham> Like not "updating web-platform-tests"
  147. # [15:15] <Ms2ger> That's an incorrectly scoped commit, sounds like
  148. # [15:15] <jgraham> Well, I don't care about that so much
  149. # [15:15] <jgraham> I mean it can happen
  150. # [15:16] <jgraham> But if you do that at least say what it is that you're fixing in the tests
  151. # [15:17] <AryehGregor> I think it comes from the fact that all the review and stuff happens in bugs, so people don't need to put the info in commit messages.
  152. # [15:17] <AryehGregor> I think with MozReview it's encouraged to actually use commit messages instead.
  153. # [15:17] <jgraham> (e.g. if you post a followup commit to fix previous bustage it's by definition not atomic)
  154. # [15:18] <jgraham> I don't think mozreview really helps
  155. # [15:18] <jgraham> It's totally possible to use mozreview in a way that you have a series of commits like 1) Implement feature foo 2) Update web-platform-tests
  156. # [15:19] <jgraham> Whereas I want 2) to look like (at least) "Fix incorrect tests for foo"
  157. # [15:19] <AryehGregor> Ah, I see what you're saying.
  158. # [15:20] <AryehGregor> Yes, that's because reviewing and pushing are done in patchsets, and you're looking at the patch standalone.
  159. # [15:20] <AryehGregor> Updating tests in a separate commit is poor form anyway because it causes unnecessary test failures in intermediate commits.
  160. # [15:21] <jgraham> Yeah, that was Ms2ger's point
  161. # [15:21] <AryehGregor> Okay, now I figured out what you were talkign about.
  162. # [15:21] <AryehGregor> talking.
  163. # [15:21] <jgraham> But I feel I'm on shaky ground to complain about that because the wpt update script updates tests in one commit and metadata in a second commit
  164. # [15:22] <Ms2ger> Yeah, and that's wrong :)
  165. # [15:22] <AryehGregor> Also, what's the point?
  166. # [15:22] <AryehGregor> Why not just make it one commit?
  167. # [15:24] <jgraham> It has to initially be two commits because the data update is based on a try run
  168. # [15:25] <jgraham> And two commits does seperate out the bits that are pure upstream changes from the bits that are local changes
  169. # [15:25] <AryehGregor> Well, "initially" is the keyword there. :)
  170. # [15:25] <jgraham> Sure
  171. # [15:26] <AryehGregor> For Mozilla's purposes it doesn't make sense to separate them, they aren't usefully separate things. The upstream changes are unwanted without the local changes.
  172. # [15:26] <AryehGregor> Anyway.
  173. # [15:27] <jgraham> I mean I could spend time making it one commit, but given the number of other things that make bisecting not work down to the level of individual commits on m-i, I don't think I'm actually breaking much with one commit a week or less like this
  174. # [15:27] <jgraham> s/commit/push/
  175. # [15:27] <AryehGregor> No, you're certainly not actually breaking anything.
  176. # [15:28] <AryehGregor> document.createEvent() is only supposed to work for a whitelist of legacy event types, is that the idea? All new ones are constructors only?
  177. # [15:28] <Ms2ger> Yep
  178. # [15:28] <AryehGregor> Do browsers actually do that?
  179. # [15:29] <AryehGregor> Seems Gecko at least wants to, based on a code comment.
  180. # [15:32] <AryehGregor> Hmm, this test wants createEvent() not to work for DragEvent, but how do I know that's actually web-compatible?
  181. # [15:32] <Ms2ger> We don't
  182. # [15:33] <AryehGregor> IE11 doesn't seem to support event constructors at all.
  183. # [15:33] <Ms2ger> That seems implausible
  184. # [15:33] <AryehGregor> http://w3c-test.org/html/editing/dnd/synthetic/001.html
  185. # [15:33] <AryehGregor> On the lines with new DragEvent(), IE throws "Object doesn't support this action."
  186. # [15:34] <Ms2ger> Maybe for DragEvent in particular
  187. # [15:34] <AryehGregor> But "window.DragEvent should be exposed" passes.
  188. # [15:34] <AryehGregor> Could be.
  189. # [15:36] <AryehGregor> Wait, this test uses initDragEvent() while the other one tests that it doesn't exist: http://w3c-test.org/html/editing/dnd/target-origin/202.html
  190. # [15:36] <AryehGregor> Sigh.
  191. # [15:38] <Ms2ger> Yeah, the dnd tests weren't exactly reviewed
  192. # [15:38] <AryehGregor> Heh.
  193. # [15:38] <Ms2ger> By which I mean, were exactly not reviewed
  194. # [15:40] <gsnedders> Someone sorta reviewed them!
  195. # [15:40] <gsnedders> I forget who, though.
  196. # [15:41] <gsnedders> wilhelm_, maybe? (Hey, if you Moz guys get to push stuff based on internal review… ;P)
  197. # [15:41] <jgraham> Well, they are also rather old now
  198. # [15:41] <gsnedders> Yeah, indeed.
  199. # [15:41] <jgraham> and haven't exactly ben maintained
  200. # [15:41] <gsnedders> It's quite likely they're not all accurate.
  201. # [15:41] <jgraham> *been
  202. # [15:51] <AryehGregor> What are the .gitkeep files I find lying around in wpt?
  203. # [15:52] <gsnedders> AryehGregor: they're there to keep empty folders around
  204. # [15:55] <AryehGregor> Why are they in non-empty folders, then?
  205. # [15:55] <AryehGregor> Also, why do we want empty folders?
  206. # [15:56] <gsnedders> because there were folders for every section in the spec, regardless of whether there were tests for it or not
  207. # [15:56] <jgraham> AryehGregor: Feel free to delete rom non-empty folders
  208. # [15:56] <jgraham> At some point someone probably had the idea that you could track folders with no tests or something
  209. # [15:57] <AryehGregor> Oh, huh.
  210. # [16:00] <Ms2ger> I think we created them when we started using the spec-based directory layout to make all the move-existing-tests PRs not a huge pain
  211. # [16:01] <Ms2ger> I don't really see the harm in them
  212. # [16:02] <Ms2ger> Removing ones for sections without normative prose seems fine though
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  216. # [17:00] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] Ms2ger opened pull request #2244: Fully implement the "align descendants" rule for div. (master...sync_b81c8717f3cfee77bcbdbc8bd10d3c56e6cdaae7) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/2244
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  219. # [17:00] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] Ms2ger closed pull request #2244: Fully implement the "align descendants" rule for div. (master...sync_b81c8717f3cfee77bcbdbc8bd10d3c56e6cdaae7) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/2244
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  222. # [17:00] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] Ms2ger deleted sync_b81c8717f3cfee77bcbdbc8bd10d3c56e6cdaae7 at b81c871: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/b81c871
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  225. # [17:00] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] Ms2ger created sync_edfcc5018d5d462ee526cb8a69a18432abc78588 (+1 new commit): https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/edfcc5018d5d
  226. # [17:00] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/sync_edfcc5018d5d462ee526cb8a69a18432abc78588 edfcc50 Jim Berlage: Renames webstorage test
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  229. # [17:00] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] Ms2ger closed pull request #2245: Renames webstorage test (master...sync_edfcc5018d5d462ee526cb8a69a18432abc78588) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/2245
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  232. # [17:00] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] Ms2ger deleted sync_edfcc5018d5d462ee526cb8a69a18432abc78588 at edfcc50: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/edfcc50
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  235. # [17:00] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] Ms2ger created sync_116d48983e53cfde6bcce392cb1a8e10a322d174 (+1 new commit): https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/commit/116d48983e53
  236. # [17:00] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/sync_116d48983e53cfde6bcce392cb1a8e10a322d174 116d489 Ms2ger: Avoid panicking in the implementation of HTMLOptionElement#text for non-element, non-text children.
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  239. # [17:00] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] Ms2ger closed pull request #2246: Avoid panicking in the implementation of HTMLOptionElement#text for non-element, non-text children. (master...sync_116d48983e53cfde6bcce392cb1a8e10a322d174) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/2246
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  242. # [17:00] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] Ms2ger pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/compare/490aaa125a63...e1ead4725ed0
  243. # [17:00] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master 116d489 Ms2ger: Avoid panicking in the implementation of HTMLOptionElement#text for non-element, non-text children.
  244. # [17:00] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/master e1ead47 Ms2ger: Merge pull request #2246 from w3c/sync_116d48983e53cfde6bcce392cb1a8e10a322d174...
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  248. # [17:00] -gitbot:#testing- web-platform-tests/sync_d4c8a434cde02ae1ba37821d292e33142cf95a88 d4c8a43 Corey Farwell: Implement deleteRow and insertRow for <table> element...
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  259. # [17:26] <AryehGregor> Is document.all.tags standard? We have a test that expects it, but I don't see it in the spec.
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  261. # [17:28] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, does it test for it being special or just another name?
  262. # [17:30] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger: test(function(){ assert_equals(document.all.tags("script").length,3)}, "Test for multiple occurence 3 <script> found");
  263. # [17:30] <AryehGregor> It seems it's part of IE's original proprietary feature but was never standardized.
  264. # [17:30] <AryehGregor> Was it deliberately omitted, or was it an oversight?
  265. # [17:32] <Ms2ger> I suspect it wads deliberately omitted
  266. # [17:32] <Ms2ger> Gecko doesn't have it, does it?
  267. # [17:32] <AryehGregor> Why did we spec document.all anyway?
  268. # [17:32] <AryehGregor> No, nor Chrome.
  269. # [17:32] <AryehGregor> Did other UAs need to implement it for compat?
  270. # [17:32] <Ms2ger> document.all itself? Yeah
  271. # [17:32] <AryehGregor> Ah, okay.
  272. # [17:33] <AryehGregor> Then the test should just be fixed.
  273. # [17:33] <Ms2ger> Yep
  274. # [17:34] <gsnedders> document.all has long been implemented everywhere.
  275. # [17:37] <AryehGregor> Okay.
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  280. # [18:05] -gitbot:#testing- [web-platform-tests] ayg opened pull request #2248: Fix incorrect collections tests (master...collections) https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/2248
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