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  88. # [20:42] <shepazu> trackbot, start telcon
  89. # [20:42] * trackbot is starting a teleconference
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  91. # [20:42] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/07/23-webapps-irc
  92. # [20:42] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  93. # [20:42] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  94. # [20:42] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAPP
  95. # [20:42] <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
  96. # [20:42] <trackbot> Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
  97. # [20:42] <trackbot> Date: 23 July 2008
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  99. # [20:43] <shepazu> Zakim, call shepazu
  100. # [20:43] <Zakim> sorry, shepazu, I don't know what conference this is
  101. # [20:43] <shepazu> Zakim, this will be DOM3
  102. # [20:43] <Zakim> ok, shepazu, I see IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM already started
  103. # [20:43] <shepazu> Zakim, call shepazu
  104. # [20:43] <Zakim> ok, shepazu; the call is being made
  105. # [20:43] <Zakim> +Shepazu
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  108. # [20:45] <Zakim> +??P2
  109. # [20:45] <smaug> Zakim, ??P2
  110. # [20:45] <Zakim> I don't understand '??P2', smaug
  111. # [20:45] <smaug> Zakim, ??P2 is me
  112. # [20:45] <Zakim> +smaug; got it
  113. # [20:45] <aemmons> zakim, who is here?
  114. # [20:45] <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P1, Shepazu, smaug
  115. # [20:45] <Zakim> On IRC I see weinig, Hixie, RRSAgent, Zakim, aemmons, arve, aroben_, MikeSmith, Lachy, smaug, timelyx, heycam, mjs, gavin__, hendry, krijnh, timeless, shepazu, gDashiva, trackbot,
  116. # [20:45] <Zakim> ... inimino
  117. # [20:45] <aemmons> zakim, ??p2 is me
  118. # [20:45] <Zakim> I already had ??P2 as smaug, aemmons
  119. # [20:45] <aemmons> zakim, ??p1 is me
  120. # [20:45] <Zakim> +aemmons; got it
  121. # [20:47] <shepazu> scribeNick: smaug
  122. # [20:48] <shepazu> chair: shepazu
  123. # [20:49] <shepazu> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/23_Jul_2008
  124. # [20:49] <Zakim> +timeless
  125. # [20:50] <shepazu> Topic: Non-namespaced event methods
  126. # [20:51] <shepazu> Regrets next week: smaug, timeless
  127. # [20:51] <smaug> Topic: non-namespaced event methods
  128. # [20:51] <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/41
  129. # [20:53] <smaug> smaug: why to not have non-NS methods ?
  130. # [20:53] <smaug> shepazu: consistency is good, sure
  131. # [20:54] <Zakim> +Carmelo
  132. # [20:54] <smaug> aemmons: JSR I know aren't using CustomEvents
  133. # [20:55] <smaug> shepazu: hopefully someone from JSRs joins a call...
  134. # [20:55] <smaug> aemmons: issue is that there are several JSRs
  135. # [20:59] <smaug> Resolution: create non-namespaced init methods
  136. # [21:00] <smaug> ACTION: aemmons to contact JSR people, to inform that DOM 3 Events is actively edited
  137. # [21:00] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  138. # [21:00] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - aemmons
  139. # [21:00] * RRSAgent records action 1
  140. # [21:02] <smaug> http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/23_Jul_2008
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  143. # [21:08] <shepazu> Topic: Tests
  144. # [21:08] <shepazu> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/mth/harness
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  146. # [21:09] <smaug> shepazu: I'd like to integrate D3E testsuite to that
  147. # [21:10] <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/tests/
  148. # [21:11] <smaug> Action: Carmelo to start writing tests
  149. # [21:11] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  150. # [21:11] * RRSAgent records action 2
  151. # [21:11] <trackbot> Created ACTION-16 - Start writing tests [on Carmelo Montanez - due 2008-07-30].
  152. # [21:11] <smaug> shepazu: tests will be on CVS...
  153. # [21:14] <smaug> timeless: dev.w3c.org would be ok for tests
  154. # [21:15] <smaug> shepazu: I'll add some tests (made for svg) to testsuite as well
  155. # [21:15] <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/tests/Requirements.html
  156. # [21:17] <smaug> shepazu: that list needs some updates
  157. # [21:17] <smaug> shepazu: I'll cancel the next telcon, I think
  158. # [21:18] <smaug> (because mozillians are away)
  159. # [21:19] <smaug> Action: Carmelo to look at the latest editor's draft
  160. # [21:19] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  161. # [21:19] * RRSAgent records action 3
  162. # [21:19] <trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Look at the latest editor's draft [on Carmelo Montanez - due 2008-07-30].
  163. # [21:19] <shepazu> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html
  164. # [21:19] <smaug> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html
  165. # [21:21] <smaug> shepazu: the draft has a "geek" stylesheet for assertions etc.
  166. # [21:22] <smaug> shepazu: I'd like user to be able to click an 'assertion' and get the test for that
  167. # [21:24] <smaug> shepazu: should we post to www-dom?
  168. # [21:24] <smaug> smaug: no
  169. # [21:26] <timeless> no
  170. # [21:28] <smaug> Topic: mutation events
  171. # [21:28] <smaug> smaug: mutation events are evil
  172. # [21:29] <smaug> aemmons: JSRs do have mutation events
  173. # [21:31] <smaug> aemmons: we don't have mutation events in our base svg library
  174. # [21:31] <smaug> shepazu: I'd like to get your, aemmons , feedback
  175. # [21:31] <smaug> shepazu: ...if the changes can be made
  176. # [21:32] <aemmons> s/in our base svg library/in our base svg library by default/
  177. # [21:32] <smaug> shepazu: I don't think it is useful to have thing in spec that people aren't implementing
  178. # [21:33] <smaug> shepazu: if we accept the proposal, we'd be deprecating some mutation events
  179. # [21:33] <smaug> shepazu: replace them with new ones.
  180. # [21:36] <smaug> smaug: how about Mousewheel deprecation ? Can implementation call itself D3E compliant without it?
  181. # [21:37] <smaug> shepazu: we could perhaps say deprecated features aren't needed for compliant implementation
  182. # [21:38] <smaug> shepazu: or say that Mousewheel is optional...
  183. # [21:39] <smaug> shepazu: maybe deprecate DOMNodeRemovedFromDocument also ?
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  186. # [21:43] <shepazu> s/maybe deprecate DOMNodeRemovedFromDocument also/maybe deprecate DOMNodeRemovedFromDocument also, since it is harmful to have non-interoperable parts of a spec, and Moz has stated they won't implement that/
  187. # [21:45] <Zakim> -Carmelo
  188. # [21:45] <Zakim> -aemmons
  189. # [21:45] <Zakim> -timeless
  190. # [21:45] <shepazu> action: talk to implementors about deprecating DOMNodeRemovedFromDocument
  191. # [21:45] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  192. # [21:45] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - talk
  193. # [21:45] * RRSAgent records action 4
  194. # [21:45] <Zakim> -smaug
  195. # [21:45] <shepazu> action: shepazu to talk to implementors about deprecating DOMNodeRemovedFromDocument
  196. # [21:45] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  197. # [21:45] * RRSAgent records action 5
  198. # [21:45] <trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - Talk to implementors about deprecating DOMNodeRemovedFromDocument [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-07-30].
  199. # [21:46] <Zakim> -Shepazu
  200. # [21:46] <Zakim> IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM has ended
  201. # [21:46] <Zakim> Attendees were Shepazu, smaug, aemmons, timeless, Carmelo
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  203. # [21:47] <shepazu> Zakim, bye
  204. # [21:47] * Parts: Zakim (rrs-bridgg@128.30.52.30)
  205. # [21:47] <shepazu> trackbot, make minutes
  206. # [21:47] <trackbot> Sorry, shepazu, I don't understand 'trackbot, make minutes'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
  207. # [21:47] <shepazu> RRSAgent, make minutes
  208. # [21:47] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/23-webapps-minutes.html shepazu
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