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  22. # [09:25] * arve notes that he is not too fond of deployment-platform specific requirements
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  27. # [11:03] <marcos> Timeless, yt?
  28. # [11:03] <marcos> or Timelyx
  29. # [11:11] <marcos> Arve, I'm just spec'ing the extraction of zip file entries from the zip archive. The aim of the section is really to define what to do if the device runs out of storage space during decompression. I have a few options on how to spec this.... 1. for each entry in the zip archive, sum up the value of the "uncompressed size" field (gives you the total size uncompressed <- though could be compromised or incorrectly set during compression), compare the sum value
  30. # [11:11] <marcos> If the sum total is GTE to the amount of space available, abort.
  31. # [11:12] <arve> that's not really enough
  32. # [11:12] <marcos> 2. Decompress each file entry progressively. If you run out of space, then abort
  33. # [11:12] <arve> the problem here is one of block space
  34. # [11:12] <marcos> yeah, because it could be changed by other processes
  35. # [11:12] <arve> s/space/size/
  36. # [11:12] <arve> no
  37. # [11:12] <marcos> well, there is that too
  38. # [11:13] <arve> I would leave this as implementation detail
  39. # [11:14] <marcos> I agree, Timeless raised it as an issue. I was going to ask him if he is ok to leave it as an implementation detail.
  40. # [11:14] <arve> it is an implementation detail
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  42. # [11:15] <marcos> ok. removed issue from the spec for now.
  43. # [11:15] <arve> in some cases, the implementation will know beforehand that the extraction will fail, when it knows that uncompressed size>free space
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  45. # [11:15] <marcos> yep. I mean, no matter what. It's going to fail.
  46. # [11:17] <marcos> I will spec, "if widget engine runs out of space, display "EPIC FAIL!" "
  47. # [11:17] <arve> :D
  48. # [11:17] <marcos> and a picture of a cat
  49. # [11:17] <marcos> :D
  50. # [11:18] <marcos> Do we want the <span> for i18n?
  51. # [11:22] <gDashiva> What if the picture of the cat is too big?
  52. # [11:22] <marcos> gDashiva, good point
  53. # [11:24] <marcos> Adding <span> means rewriting the parsing algorithm
  54. # [11:25] <marcos> but might not be too much work
  55. # [11:27] <marcos> Does unicode have built in ltr and rtl markers?
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  58. # [11:43] <gDashiva> marcos: Yes
  59. # [11:43] <marcos> i thought so.
  60. # [11:45] <marcos> I wonder if it sufficient to just rely on them instead of having explicit <span> in the Widget configuration document.
  61. # [11:46] <marcos> I might take that up with the i18n folks.
  62. # [12:02] <arve> marcos: http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/cgi/unicode-decoder/character-identifier?keywords=direction
  63. # [12:03] <arve> there is more, read down http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/cgi/unicode-decoder/character-identifier?keywords=right for some hilarity
  64. # [12:04] <arve> search for hamza
  65. # [12:07] <arve> marcos: U+200D and U+200E is what you want, though
  66. # [12:07] <marcos> cool, thanks!
  67. # [12:08] <arve> err, 200E and F
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  69. # [12:11] <marcos> Mad, CANADIAN SYLLABICS FINAL RIGHT HALF RING
  70. # [12:12] <marcos> I wanna put that in my name somehow :P
  71. # [12:13] <marcos> it be like Marcosᐣ‬
  72. # [12:13] <marcos> It's like the nose ring of the typographical world
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  74. # [12:28] <arve> however, do not ever mistake me for an authority on Unicode
  75. # [12:29] <marcos> no probs
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  80. # [13:17] <arve> Turin long term forecast is promising
  81. # [13:17] <arve> http://www.yr.no/place/Italy/Piedmont/Torino/long.html
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  83. # [13:29] <arve> ArtB_: yt?
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  85. # [13:35] <ArtB_> arve, I'm multiplexing ATM, what's up?
  86. # [13:35] <arve> the OMTP requirements, are they published by OMTP yet?
  87. # [13:36] <ArtB_> I recall one of the OMTP people saying they were going to publish (to the Public) some docs RSN, but AFAIK, they haven't done so
  88. # [13:37] <ArtB_> http://www.omtp.org/Bondi/PublicDraft.aspx
  89. # [13:37] <arve> thanks
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  93. # [13:38] <arve> ArtB_: there is no license text attached to that, or IPR waiver on the web page
  94. # [13:39] <arve> downloading from there may not be acceptable
  95. # [13:39] <ArtB_> I agree
  96. # [13:40] <arve> there was more than a little controversy around microsoft's input in a similar situation just a few little months ago
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  98. # [13:41] <ArtB_> the two docs OMTP submitted to WebApps are basically "on hold" pending a clarification on the contributors to the doc
  99. # [13:41] <ArtB_> it appears those two docs are also available at http://www.omtp.org/Bondi/PublicDraft.aspx
  100. # [13:42] <arve> yes, but without a proper legal framework, they're unreadable to most
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  102. # [14:52] <timeless> hello world
  103. # [14:52] * timeless frowns
  104. # [14:52] <timeless> how much time do i have?
  105. # [14:52] <timeless> or have i messed up?
  106. # [14:53] <timeless> (again)
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  109. # [14:54] <timeless> in theory
  110. # [14:54] <timeless> in practice i have bigger problems
  111. # [14:54] <timeless> like i can't read 16:00 and understand if that means 6 or 4 pm :)
  112. # [14:54] <timeless> time's hard for me :)
  113. # [14:55] <timeless> me is timeless ....
  114. # [14:55] <ArtB_> perhaps you spend a couple of years in the Army :)
  115. # [14:55] <timeless> .me is timeless ....
  116. # [14:55] * timeless sighs
  117. # [14:55] * timeless is timeless ....
  118. # [14:55] <timeless> there we go!
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  124. # [16:13] <timeless> ok, so the thing bart wrote about is for tomorrow...
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  140. # [20:37] <Travis> Is the DOM Events telecon on for today (Aug 20, 2008)?
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  147. # [22:39] <timeless> i didn't see any mention of it
  148. # [22:40] <smaug> Travis: I think shepazu is away for few weeks
  149. # [22:40] <smaug> check the previous Minutes
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  151. # [22:53] <MikeSmith> Travis, smaug - Doug's at an SVG WG f2f and SVG Open conference this week
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