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- # [12:19] <smaug> anne: ping
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- # [12:22] <anne> smaug, yo
- # [12:23] <smaug> anne: about the 350msec in XHR2
- # [12:23] <anne> arbitrary
- # [12:23] <smaug> "every 350ms (±200ms) or for every byte received, whichever is least frequent"
- # [12:24] <arve> hmph
- # [12:24] <arve> l10n is hard
- # [12:24] <anne> smaug, oh, you mean the plusminus sign?
- # [12:24] <anne> hmm
- # [12:24] <smaug> is that trying to say that the event shouldn't be dispatched more often than every 350msec
- # [12:25] <smaug> and yes, Â looks strange
- # [12:25] <anne> well, not more than every 150ms and not less than 550 or for every byte
- # [12:27] <arve> so, the event should be dispatched at a frequency between 150 and 550ms
- # [12:27] <arve> regardless of how frequently bytes arrive
- # [12:27] <smaug> but if there isn't any downloading happening, should the event still be dispatched?
- # [12:27] <anne> no
- # [12:28] <anne> if you don't receive a byte, that is less frequent
- # [12:28] <smaug> right
- # [12:28] <smaug> ok
- # [12:28] <arve> anne: I'm now officially massively confused
- # [12:29] <Hixie> 150 and 550ms isn't a frequency, the frequency range is more like 0.15Hz to 0.55Hz
- # [12:29] <Hixie> :-)
- # [12:29] <arve> Hixie: yeah, I think I meant "interval"
- # [12:30] <Hixie> right
- # [12:30] <Hixie> sorry, just being a pedant :-)
- # [12:30] <arve> I think the general rule is "do not try to write anything else while actually editing a document"
- # [12:32] <arve> anne: about pedantry: Is ByteArray defined or referenced?
- # [12:33] <anne> neither
- # [12:33] <anne> not really sure what to do with that yet
- # [12:33] <heycam> someone should define ByteArray somewhere
- # [12:33] <heycam> so that it's usable in ES3
- # [12:34] <anne> it would be nice to get byte primitives I suppose
- # [12:34] <arve> ideally, I think the ES people ought to do that
- # [12:34] <anne> yeah
- # [12:35] <anne> another thing it might gain is JSON and File support (whenever file upload or html5 defines File)
- # [12:35] <arve> we implemented something borrowed from the dead-in-the-water ES4 proposal for the experimental file I/O support
- # [12:36] <Hixie> what's a generic term that covers <textarea>, <input>, <output>, <fieldset>
- # [12:36] <Hixie> but not <option>
- # [12:36] <Hixie> not <label>
- # [12:36] <anne> form control
- # [12:37] <anne> though <fieldset> is sort of different imo
- # [12:37] <anne> and <select> is part of it too
- # [12:37] <Hixie> <output> is not a form control
- # [12:37] <Hixie> <select> is one of these too
- # [12:37] <anne> how is <output> not a form control?
- # [12:37] <Hixie> it's not a control of any kind
- # [12:37] <Hixie> it's just an output display
- # [12:38] <anne> hmm, controls are interactive?
- # [12:39] <arve> Hixie: what do tangentially related fields call these? (for instance in Delphi, or any random 4GL tool?)
- # [12:39] <anne> Hixie, wikipedia calls them GUI widgets
- # [12:40] <Hixie> <label> is as much of a GUI widget as <output>
- # [12:40] <Hixie> i should say what this is for
- # [12:40] <Hixie> it's the list of elements that form.elements returns
- # [12:40] <Hixie> and it appears to be a mostly arbitrary subset of the elements it could return
- # [12:41] <Hixie> fwiw, i've called them "listed form elements" for now
- # [12:42] <arve> *sigh*
- # [12:42] <arve> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_widget_engines
- # [12:42] <anne> seems fine to me
- # [12:42] <arve> specifically, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_widget_engines#Formats_and_Development
- # [12:43] <arve> someone not a victim to Wikipedia's COI on that article might nuking the entire "Widgets 1.0" colum?
- # [12:44] <arve> +n
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- # [13:38] <ArtB> Anne, do you want me or Chaals to start a CfC for XHR2 publication?
- # [13:40] <ArtB> ... <http://www.w3.org/mid/op.ugykreji64w2qv@annevk-t60.oslo.opera.com>
- # [13:41] <anne> please
- # [13:41] <anne> if that's what it takes :)
- # [13:43] <ArtB> well, it seems to be a precedence Web API WG started
- # [13:43] <ArtB> ... and it's OK with me :)
- # [13:44] <ArtB> this is YA WD right (not a LC)
- # [13:44] <anne> yeah\
- # [13:44] <anne> second WD actually
- # [13:44] <anne> there's outstanding feature requests and some unresolved issues
- # [13:44] * ArtB will finally set aside some time to read XHR2 upon its next pub ...
- # [13:50] <arve> hm, I always misplace the URL for the CSS module preprocessor (or is that postprocessor?)
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- # [13:58] <ArtB> marcos, did you and Claudio talk about how to organize the so-called Widgets v2/NG list?
- # [13:58] <ArtB> Seems like a wiki would be simplest.
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- # [14:05] * timeless looks around
- # [14:06] <timeless> ok, so there's a meeting tomorrow in ~22hrs
- # [14:08] <marcos> Artb, no
- # [14:08] <marcos> did not talk to him yet
- # [14:11] <ArtB> ok, marcos; I'll send an e-mail to the group to start discussions on the V2/NG list
- # [14:13] <marcos> sounds good
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- # [14:15] <marcos> I think Claudio should just start another doc (instead of a Wiki)... it's better (and more secure) to put stuff on CVS
- # [14:20] <ArtB> good point marcos.
- # [14:20] <ArtB> I got the impression that the new wiki is somehow more secure (than the wiki WAF used). Perhaps Shepazu or MikeSmith can verify ...
- # [14:26] <arve> I agree with marcos here
- # [14:30] <timeless> artb: hey, i was in boston last weekend
- # [14:30] <timeless> i was wondering if i saw the nokia building where you worked
- # [14:32] <timeless> artb: offhand, i think so
- # [14:32] <timeless> but i need to do something else atm
- # [14:32] <timeless> sorry
- # [14:35] <ArtB> timeless, the Nokia building is in Burlington and is visible from I-95 (aka 128)
- # [14:35] <timeless> yep
- # [14:36] <timeless> i was staying at the mariott across the highway
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- # [14:36] <timeless> i bet you were around friday, we probably could have gotten together
- # [14:36] <timeless> oops :(
- # [14:36] <ArtB> Actually, I worked at home last Friday :)
- # [14:36] <timeless> oh, ok :)
- # [14:37] <ArtB> are you back in FI?
- # [14:37] <timeless> yep
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- # [15:46] <ArtB> anne, I'm putting together a short WebApps status report for the HCG. What do we want to say about XHR spec?
- # [15:47] <ArtB> For XHR2, my draft says "on Sep 18 we plan to submit a request to publish a new WD"
- # [15:47] <ArtB> Shepazu, what do we want to say about the D3E spec?
- # [15:48] <ArtB> Hixie, is there any new news re XBL2 to report?
- # [15:52] <ArtB> lachy, anne - what status do we report re Selectors API?
- # [15:55] <Lachy> ArtB, I haven't made progress over the past couple of weeks. However, it is nearing comopletion and pending the few remaining issues, should be ready for publication relatively soon
- # [15:55] <ArtB> Lachy, thanks. Would the next pub be Candidate?
- # [15:56] <Lachy> though, it will probably have to wait until after I get back from Australia on Oct 9
- # [15:56] <Lachy> yeah, probably will, unless some of the changes made to it since the last draft, mean that it needs to go through another LC round
- # [15:57] <Lachy> I'll let whoever knows more about W3C process than I do decide that
- # [15:58] <ArtB> OK; sounds like the status I should report now is something like "expect a new publication in October; not clear now if it will be a Candidate or another LC"
- # [15:58] <Lachy> yep
- # [15:58] <ArtB> and we can start a thread about LC vs. Candidate
- # [15:58] <ArtB> I haven't looked at the changes so I don't have an position, ATM
- # [15:58] <timeless> oh no
- # [15:58] <timeless> i think i missed my vote
- # [15:59] * timeless has a vote sometime today
- # [15:59] <timeless> and i'm traveling sometime soon
- # [15:59] <ArtB> what vote, timeless?
- # [15:59] <timeless> maemo.org leadership council
- # [15:59] <timeless> or whatever it's called
- # [15:59] <Lachy> is that related to webapps at all?
- # [16:00] <timeless> only in terms of if there's a meeting while i'm traveling, i can't come :)
- # [16:00] * ArtB was wondering the same thing Lachy :)
- # [16:02] * Lachy was just confused since this channel generally isn't used for random chatter, like #whatwg or #html-wg.
- # [16:02] * ArtB looks for Chaals re status of Progress Events spec
- # [16:02] <timeless> yeah sorry, it's basically because people are asking me to do stuff here
- # [16:02] <timeless> and i'm trying to figure out what critical things block me from answering items here
- # [16:02] <ArtB> no problem timeless!
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- # [17:22] * marcos surprised to hear that this channel is not for random chatter.
- # [17:31] <Lachy> marcos, it can be. It's just not very common in here
- # [17:32] <marcos> true
- # [17:33] <marcos> I see it the other way... I always think that the HTML-WG channel is all serious and stuff.
- # [17:33] <Lachy> yeah, html-wg is a little more serious than whatwg
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- # [19:24] <smaug> ArtB: is the idea to publish XHR2 as WD, not yet LC?
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- # [20:36] <shepazu> trackbot, start telcon
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- # [20:36] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAPP
- # [20:36] <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
- # [20:36] <trackbot> Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
- # [20:36] <trackbot> Date: 10 September 2008
- # [20:36] <shepazu> Zakim, this will be DOM3
- # [20:36] <Zakim> ok, shepazu, I see IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM already started
- # [20:36] <shepazu> Zakim, call shepazu
- # [20:36] <Zakim> ok, shepazu; the call is being made
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- # [20:40] <smaug> Zakim, ??P9 is smaug
- # [20:40] <Zakim> +smaug; got it
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- # [20:43] <Zakim> IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM has ended
- # [20:43] <Zakim> Attendees were +1.301.975.aaaa, Shepazu, Carmelo, smaug
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- # [20:45] <ArtB> smaug, re XHR2 publication, yes I think Anne's intent was another _plain_ WD (not a LC)
- # [20:45] <smaug> ok good
- # [20:45] <smaug> I think there are still few things to clarify
- # [20:45] <smaug> and add loadend event maybe etc.
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- # [21:20] <sicking> smaug, do you know why we don't dispatch readystatechange events when syncloading?
- # [21:20] <sicking> smaug, can't see anything in the spec saying that shouldn't happen
- # [21:22] <sicking> smaug, seems like we've done that since the first impl of readystate
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- # [22:27] <smaug> sicking: readystatechange events aren't properly specified
- # [22:33] <smaug> "readystatechange Event The readyState attribute changes and at some seemingly arbitrary times for historical reasons. "
- # [22:33] <smaug> sicking: I haven't changed our readystatechange handling at all
- # [22:34] <smaug> IMO readystatechange should be deprecated eventually
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- # [22:47] <sicking> smaug, agreed, though i doubt we'll ever be able to remove it
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The end :)