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  45. # [12:44] <marcos> hixie, what keyboard did you end up getting?
  46. # [12:45] <Hixie> hasn't arrived yet, so i don't know if i won't have the same problems, but i ended up getting the same one from a different supplier at a lower price. so sadly they still get my money.
  47. # [12:46] <marcos> :(
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  53. # [13:21] <arve> Hixie: still Maltron?
  54. # [13:22] <Hixie> maltron?
  55. # [13:24] <arve> I thouught you used one of these weird keyboards, or was that tim?
  56. # [13:24] <arve> http://www.maltron.com/maltron-kbd-dual.html
  57. # [13:29] <Hixie> i use a kinesis
  58. # [13:30] <arve> Contour?
  59. # [13:31] <arve> I suffered a bit from shoulder pain, until I just ditched full-size keyboards
  60. # [13:32] <arve> I'm now using just my laptop's keyboard
  61. # [13:37] <Hixie> laptop keyboard give me serious wrist and finger pains
  62. # [13:43] <ArtB> marcos, has Jules/webreq given you a pub date for the Updates spec?
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  66. # [13:58] <marcos> Artb, nope
  67. # [13:59] <ArtB> MikeSmith - do you know the status (from webreq/Jules) of publishing the Widgets Update spec?
  68. # [13:59] <MikeSmith> nope
  69. # [13:59] <MikeSmith> have not heard from Jules
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  71. # [14:01] <ArtB> OK, I just pinged them
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  73. # [14:08] <marcos> Thanks Artb!
  74. # [14:14] <marcos> yikes! those maltron keyboards start at £ 375.00
  75. # [14:15] <marcos> though it would be awesome to have one of those left handed keyboards.
  76. # [15:03] <marcos> Arve, yt?
  77. # [15:04] <marcos> Dominique Hazael-Massieux> * 6.10 "When the access element is absent, a widget user agent must
  78. # [15:04] <marcos> > deny access to networked resources and to plugins", and presumably to
  79. # [15:04] <marcos> > the file system as well; instead of separate boolean attributes, what
  80. # [15:04] <marcos> > about having these as a single token-based attribute (e.g.
  81. # [15:04] <marcos> > access="network plugins")
  82. # [15:05] <marcos> Bah, what I meant to say was Dominique Hazael-Massieux wrote...
  83. # [15:05] <marcos> Anyway, I think we have talked about this before
  84. # [15:05] <arve> marcos: sort of
  85. # [15:05] <marcos> should we make access and attribute ?
  86. # [15:05] <arve> dunno
  87. # [15:06] <arve> we could just give them urls for <feature>
  88. # [15:06] <arve> ?
  89. # [15:06] <marcos> yeah, but then it's more URLs that developers need to know
  90. # [15:07] <marcos> I think for these core ones it's easier to just have them as keywords
  91. # [15:07] <marcos> but you are right, then we have inconsistency
  92. # [15:11] <marcos> URLs work best because you can use query strings to state more clearly what you want
  93. # [15:12] <marcos> for example, Yahoo!'s widget engine allows multiple modes of filesystem access: e.g. <filesystem>sandbox</filesystem>.
  94. # [15:13] <marcos> we could use something like : http://www.w3.org/API/filesystem?mode=sandbox ?
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  96. # [15:27] <arve> in theory, we also have different filesystem access modes
  97. # [15:27] <arve> but we've locked the public release to only support sandboxed
  98. # [15:28] <arve> marcos: the question is is http://example.org/#foo a different url from http://example.org/#bar?
  99. # [15:28] <arve> query strings should die
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  101. # [15:47] <marcos> ok, so we dump access then?
  102. # [15:48] <arve> Perhaps a topic for tomorrow?
  103. # [15:49] <marcos> Ok. sounds good. I'll try to respond to Dom's email today and make the proposal there.
  104. # [15:49] <marcos> Artb, please see above.
  105. # [15:50] <arve> ArtB: also: Should we dump set/getPreference as topic
  106. # [15:50] <arve> I am in favor of referencing HTML5 on this
  107. # [15:54] <marcos> I think just leave it in so we can record a resolution.
  108. # [16:02] <ArtB> marcos, arve, we can tweak agenda tomorrow
  109. # [16:06] <ArtB> It's nice we have a record of yesterday's dicussion on this topic http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/webapps/20080930
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  130. # [20:43] <Travis> Huh. Got disconneced from the call...
  131. # [20:44] <smaug> shepazu: do we have to call today?
  132. # [20:44] <smaug> s/to/the/
  133. # [20:45] * smaug forgot what shepazu said last week
  134. # [20:45] <shepazu> sorry, no telcon today
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  136. # [20:46] <Travis> shepazu: Has the DOM L3 draft changed considerably?
  137. # [20:47] <Travis> ... I'd like to review it in a large 1-step pass for consistency, etc.
  138. # [20:47] <Travis> ... I also want to consider Mozilla's MozMousePixelScroll event...
  139. # [20:47] <shepazu> Travis: can't talk now, but it hasn't changed much recently
  140. # [20:47] <shepazu> bbiab
  141. # [20:48] <smaug> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html
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  144. # [20:58] <smaug> shepazu: btw, I looked at the mobile test harness framework, and as such it doesn't quite work for us, I think
  145. # [20:58] <smaug> it uses a database and php etc, so requires a webserver
  146. # [20:58] <smaug> and it doesn't run all the tests automatically - needs user interaction
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