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  36. # [13:05] <arve> Will be a couple of minutes late in, sorry
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  41. # [16:17] <ArtB> arve, marcos - is the shortname for the APIs and Events spec widgets-api or widgets-apis [note plural] ??
  42. # [16:17] <ArtB> the latest ED is http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-api/
  43. # [16:17] <ArtB> but it points to .../TR/widgets-apis/
  44. # [16:24] <ArtB> Actually, this can't be published without an Abstract
  45. # [16:29] <arve> widgets-api
  46. # [16:29] <arve> ArtB: I'll fix that in a couple of hours, I just need to get home first
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  48. # [16:34] <ArtB> ok; ping me when done; thanks!
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  53. # [18:57] <ArtB> marcos, http://www.w3.org/TR/widgets-updates/ finally exists. Yippee!
  54. # [18:58] <marcos> Yay!
  55. # [18:59] <ArtB> Congrats!
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  57. # [18:59] <marcos> thanks, just gotta wait till it appears on the front page so I can tell my mom! :D
  58. # [19:02] <ArtB> HeHe. And I meant to tell you this morning the Rolling Stone is looking for you.
  59. # [19:03] <marcos> hehe, nice.
  60. # [19:07] <marcos> somehow, I don't think we will see too much sex, drugs, and rock and roll out of this particular standardization process. Maybe I should work on something with Anne "where is the party?" van Kesteren in the future :)
  61. # [19:07] * ArtB thinks your standardssuck videos rock!
  62. # [19:08] <ArtB> Anne, Sicking, Hixie, Mjs, Shepazu, AnyOneElseThatWasPartOfTheWebAPIWG - what mechanism did you use to Close Issues?
  63. # [19:09] <sicking> ArtB, which one
  64. # [19:09] <shepazu> the web interface?
  65. # [19:09] <ArtB> I'm asking in general
  66. # [19:09] <ArtB> sorry, I wasn't clear; let me start again
  67. # [19:09] <shepazu> click "edit this issue" and select close in the dropdown
  68. # [19:10] <ArtB> I'm not asking about the UI to close an Issue in the A&I db
  69. # [19:10] <shepazu> ah, you mean the protocol?
  70. # [19:10] <shepazu> like, when you decide it's closed?
  71. # [19:10] <ArtB> I'm wondering what process WebAPI WG used to get consensus to close an Open issue
  72. # [19:10] <sicking> i think in many cases Anne decided
  73. # [19:11] <ArtB> In the widgets world, we make a decision during a VoiceConf or a F2F meeting
  74. # [19:11] <sicking> or we have simply debated until we've reached consensus
  75. # [19:11] <ArtB> But if there are no such meetings then I presume e-mail is used
  76. # [19:11] <shepazu> that is as it should be, ArtB
  77. # [19:11] <sicking> i think for the things debated at the F2F we reached consensus
  78. # [19:11] <ArtB> Let me be more specific ...
  79. # [19:11] <sicking> after that people have raised issues and in most cases no-one has disagreed
  80. # [19:11] <ArtB> There are some Open issues re the AC4CSR spec that I want to propose be Closed.
  81. # [19:12] <sicking> ah
  82. # [19:12] <ArtB> I was going to send an e-mail to public-webapps that includes a proposal to Close and a brief justification statement.
  83. # [19:12] <sicking> email
  84. # [19:12] <sicking> on the public list
  85. # [19:13] <sicking> that's where all debating is taking place
  86. # [19:13] <shepazu> ArtB: that sounds reasonable
  87. # [19:13] <shepazu> we should talk about how this group is run at TPAC
  88. # [19:13] <ArtB> I presume I would include something like "if you disagree, please respond by YYYY-MM-DD. In the absence of any objections to my proposal on YYYY-MM-DD+1, I will Close this issue"
  89. # [19:14] <ArtB> Where YYYY-MM-DD provides 5-7 days review/response time.
  90. # [19:15] <ArtB> Is something I propose above close to what WebAPI WG did?
  91. # [19:15] <sicking> 5-7 days sounds short in general, but otherwise i agree
  92. # [19:15] <sicking> i think we had very little formal process for closing issues
  93. # [19:15] <sicking> as in, it was mostly done in an ad-hoc fashion
  94. # [19:16] <ArtB> I think it creates some confusion to leave Issues Open when they are actually Closed
  95. # [19:16] <sicking> agreed
  96. # [19:16] <sicking> having a somewhat more formal process would be a good idea
  97. # [19:16] <ArtB> OK, so the length of the review period needs some discussion.
  98. # [19:17] <sicking> yeah, it also depends on how much the issue has been debated
  99. # [19:17] <ArtB> One weeks seems reasonable to me. Someone can always re-raise an issue
  100. # [19:17] <sicking> before it's proposed to be closed
  101. # [19:17] <sicking> one week from open to close seems short to me, but one week between 'there seems to be some sort of agreement' to close sounds fine
  102. # [19:19] <ArtB> Jonas, I agree 1-week between Open and Close would [almost always] be too soon
  103. # [19:20] <ArtB> Initially, I am interested in closing several AC4CSR Issues that were raised several months ago.
  104. # [19:20] <ArtB> I'm trying to think ahead a bit to the Mandelieu meeting
  105. # [19:21] <ArtB> In case Chaals puts AC4CSR on the agenda
  106. # [19:21] <ArtB> Anne, yt?
  107. # [19:24] <ArtB> Sicking, here is an instance:
  108. # [19:24] <ArtB> [[
  109. # [19:25] <ArtB> I propose the following issue be closed:ISSUE-10 Client and Server modelhttp://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/10I think the Introduction and FAQ contain sufficient information to Close Issue-10.If you disagree with this proposal, please respond by 2008-10-17. In the absence of any objections, this Issue will be closed on 2008-10-18.
  110. # [19:25] <ArtB> ]]
  111. # [19:25] <sicking> sold! :)
  112. # [19:25] * ArtB apologizes for the CR/LF getting stripped during the C&P
  113. # [19:26] <ArtB> Shepazu, does something like the above work for you?
  114. # [19:26] <ArtB> Anyone else have an opinion on this "process"?
  115. # [19:26] <shepazu> yes, ArtB, that seems like it's a good way to be clear on the process
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  118. # [20:04] <ArtB> hmmm; not sure about Issues #25, #26, #29, #30, #31 and #32
  119. # [20:04] <ArtB> maybe the folks that attended the July 1-2 f2f meeting can provide some clarity and status
  120. # [20:09] <ArtB> sicking / Jonas - do you consider Issue #13 still open (http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/13). It appears you and Anne don't agree on this.
  121. # [20:10] <shepazu> ArtB: I would say that sicking, mjs, and anne would be the best informed on those issues
  122. # [20:13] <ArtB> Ok Doug. When I scanned the minutes, it looks like Issue #30 was closed during the same meeting it was created. It's a bit hard for me to follow ....
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