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  1. # Session Start: Thu Oct 16 00:00:00 2008
  2. # Session Ident: #webapps
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  28. # [07:47] <MikeSmith> http://oracle.com/technology/tech/feeds/spec/bitsy.xhtml
  29. # [07:48] <MikeSmith> [[
  30. # [07:48] <MikeSmith> If you are having trouble viewing the draft, blame your browser's
  31. # [07:48] <MikeSmith> content-type sniffing algorithm (and the inability of my server to set the
  32. # [07:48] <MikeSmith> correct Content-Type header).
  33. # [07:48] <MikeSmith> ]]
  34. # [07:48] <MikeSmith> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008OctDec/0104.html
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  36. # [08:24] <anne> I see text/plain
  37. # [08:28] <MikeSmith> anne: exactly
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  40. # [08:30] <MikeSmith> anne: btw, have you seen chaals lately? or corresponded with him at least?
  41. # [08:30] <MikeSmith> I'm wondering if he's planning on sending out any kind of draft agenda for the webapps f2f
  42. # [08:32] <anne> I saw e-mail of him :)
  43. # [08:33] <anne> I recommend e-mailing, I believe he is in Oslo
  44. # [08:33] * anne will ping
  45. # [08:42] <MikeSmith> anne: thanks
  46. # [08:48] <smaug> anne: btw, what was the reason for 350ms? Why not 200 or 500?
  47. # [08:49] <smaug> for XHR progress events
  48. # [08:50] <smaug> I implemented a "progressbar" using progress events, and adding support for 350ms made it a bit jerky
  49. # [08:52] <smaug> perhaps I should test with a bit smaller value... 150 or something
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  51. # [09:00] <anne> smaug, 200 and 500 are allowed, no? :)
  52. # [09:01] <anne> smaug, I copied this straight from the <video> spec
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  56. # [09:15] <anne> MikeSmith, hmm, just now read the e-mail, weird
  57. # [09:16] <MikeSmith> anne: the "BITSY" e-mail, you mean?
  58. # [09:17] <anne> the one from Nikunj Mehta
  59. # [09:17] <smaug> something close to 50ms looks nicer.
  60. # [09:18] <anne> that's a lot of events queuing up though
  61. # [09:18] <smaug> queuing?
  62. # [09:19] <smaug> it still batches quite a few events
  63. # [09:21] <smaug> 135 events without timer, 22 with 50ms, 3 with 350ms
  64. # [09:21] <smaug> (just a quick test, depends on the quality of this network connection)
  65. # [09:21] <anne> 135 events without timer?
  66. # [09:21] <smaug> right
  67. # [09:21] <smaug> when downloading
  68. # [09:22] <smaug> that ofc depends on the implementation
  69. # [09:22] <smaug> how often network layer informs other participants that something has happened
  70. # [09:22] <anne> i see
  71. # [09:23] <smaug> in the test I'm uploading and downloading 1MB
  72. # [09:23] <anne> is there a visible difference?
  73. # [09:23] <smaug> I think the use case for <video> is a bit different
  74. # [09:24] <smaug> there is visible difference in my progressbar
  75. # [09:24] <anne> k, so we do 100ms +- 50ms or so for XHR?
  76. # [09:25] <smaug> 100ms looks quite ok
  77. # [09:25] <smaug> 12 events
  78. # [09:26] <smaug> hmm, but there should be some reasoning for the value
  79. # [09:27] <anne> ideally the value would prolly depend on download speed and size of the downloaded object
  80. # [09:28] <anne> so you get less events if you download, say, an order of magnitude more
  81. # [09:28] <smaug> though events are cheap
  82. # [09:29] <anne> yeah, and it probably depends on what you want as an app dev
  83. # [09:31] <smaug> 50ms would allow 20 frame rate
  84. # [09:32] <smaug> I'm fine with 100ms
  85. # [09:34] <anne> fwiw, I'm ok with recommending 50ms as well and leaving out the +- thing
  86. # [09:34] <anne> i'll e-mail the list
  87. # [09:34] <smaug> ok, thanks
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  97. # [10:45] <MikeSmith> arve, marcos - if neither of you can be on the Widgets telcon today, it doesn't seem like there's much point in having it
  98. # [10:45] <arve> agreed
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  106. # [12:25] <MikeSmith> ArtB: given that neither arve nor marcos can be on the telcon today, wondering whether it should maybe be canceled
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  108. # [12:32] <ArtB> mikesmith; agree; meeting canceled
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  113. # [13:19] <anne> chaals is alive, no ETA for the agenda though
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