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  1. # Session Start: Thu Nov 13 00:00:00 2008
  2. # Session Ident: #webapps
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  7. # [01:11] <MikeSmith> sicking: you there?
  8. # [01:11] <sicking> hey
  9. # [01:11] <MikeSmith> hey man
  10. # [01:12] <MikeSmith> I was just reading Alexey Proskuryakov's posting about the "Combining the DedicatedWorker and SharedWorker interfaces" on the whatwg list
  11. # [01:12] <sicking> yeah, actually writing reply to that thread right now
  12. # [01:13] <sicking> well, temporarily i'm doing other things, but i'll return to it soon
  13. # [01:13] <MikeSmith> http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2008-November/017130.html
  14. # [01:13] <sicking> not sure that i'll have anything too enlightning to say though :)
  15. # [01:13] <MikeSmith> sicking: OK
  16. # [01:14] <sicking> oh, hadn't seen that particular one yet, but it's true, it's already very hard for us to change anything
  17. # [01:15] <Hixie> i'm responding to all the worker feedback as we speak
  18. # [01:15] <Hixie> but i'm not really sure what to do since nobody seems to agree.
  19. # [01:16] <Hixie> even on what we previously agreed on.
  20. # [01:16] <sicking> hmm.. so one thing that i don't understand is, if both FF and webkit is doing just dedicated workers
  21. # [01:16] <sicking> why optimize, or even have at all, the API for shared ones
  22. # [01:17] <Hixie> shared workers are a pretty important feature
  23. # [01:17] <Hixie> i mean, things like gmail basically don't have a use for workers at all unless we have a shared worker mechanism.
  24. # [01:18] <sicking> yeah, we've more worried about heavy computational stuff, which gmail doesn't do
  25. # [01:18] <sicking> (we == moz)
  26. # [01:18] <Hixie> right
  27. # [01:19] <Hixie> that's what the dedicated ones are mostly for
  28. # [01:19] <Hixie> important stuff too
  29. # [01:22] <MikeSmith> sicking: the Mozilla implementation planned to ship in 3.1?
  30. # [01:23] <sicking> yes
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  32. # [01:38] <Hixie> man, dealing with this feedback on workers is depressing
  33. # [01:38] <Hixie> half the feedback is "why don't we do X?" where X is something that the spec used to do, which got the feedback "why don't we do Y?"
  34. # [01:38] <Dashiva> Set up a feedback loop that forwards mail from one group to the other
  35. # [01:39] <sicking> i haven't read the last 5 or so messages that got posted over the last couple of days
  36. # [01:39] <Hixie> Dashiva: there's only one group!
  37. # [01:39] <Dashiva> Hixie: Even better
  38. # [01:39] <Hixie> i'm talking about the feedback from last september right now
  39. # [01:39] <sicking> but before that i don't think there was ever proposals to revert to previous versions of the spec
  40. # [01:39] <Dashiva> Just grab a random message from the previous iteration and use that as reply
  41. # [01:41] <sicking> Hixie, so just fyi, it's entirely possible that we won't be able to make any changes at this point
  42. # [01:41] <MikeSmith> sicking: why is that?
  43. # [01:41] <sicking> very close to shipping
  44. # [01:41] <Hixie> sicking: and what you have now is what the spec says?
  45. # [01:41] <sicking> Hixie, yes
  46. # [01:42] <Hixie> works for me!
  47. # [01:42] <Hixie> :-P
  48. # [01:42] <Hixie> i'm reluctant to change the spec unless there's a good reason anyway, given that the spec comes from considering all the use cases together
  49. # [01:42] <sicking> Hixie, if we do get agreement really quickly, i can ask for permission to make changes
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  51. # [01:42] <MikeSmith> perhaps this is a (rare) case where it might mike sense to have a conference calls among the implementors to discuss disagreements and try to figure out if there is a way to get past them
  52. # [01:42] <MikeSmith> might make
  53. # [01:43] <Hixie> we had a face-to-face meeting about the api
  54. # [01:43] <Hixie> to get the current api
  55. # [01:43] <Hixie> about 2 months ago
  56. # [01:43] <MikeSmith> yeah
  57. # [01:45] <sicking> the big problem is introducing new objects and such since we have to test for leaks etc. All of our existing GC infrastructure doesn't work since this is on threads
  58. # [01:45] <sicking> so we had to write all new stuff
  59. # [01:45] <sicking> so it's scary to muck around with
  60. # [01:50] <MikeSmith> sicking: I would like to try to help get this resolved quickly, but not not sure what I could do to help.
  61. # [01:50] <MikeSmith> perhaps it'd help to talk with Maciej soon
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  75. # [13:05] <MikeSmith> sicking++ (for http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2008-November/017138.html)
  76. # [13:08] <MikeSmith> trackbot, start meeting
  77. # [13:08] * trackbot is starting a teleconference
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  79. # [13:08] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-webapps-irc
  80. # [13:08] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  81. # [13:08] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  83. # [13:09] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAPP
  84. # [13:09] <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
  85. # [13:09] <trackbot> Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
  86. # [13:09] <trackbot> Date: 13 November 2008
  87. # [13:09] <MikeSmith> ArtB: we having a widgets call today, or not?
  88. # [13:09] * MikeSmith finds not arveb
  89. # [13:09] <ArtB> MikeSmith - yes, it is started in #wam; please stop this meeting :)
  90. # [13:09] <MikeSmith> ah
  91. # [13:09] <MikeSmith> sorry
  92. # [13:09] <MikeSmith> trackbot, stop meeting
  93. # [13:09] <trackbot> Sorry, MikeSmith, I don't understand 'trackbot, stop meeting'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
  94. # [13:09] <MikeSmith> trackbot, end meeting
  95. # [13:09] * trackbot is ending a teleconference
  96. # [13:09] <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
  97. # [13:09] <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
  98. # [13:09] <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
  99. # [13:09] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/13-webapps-minutes.html trackbot
  100. # [13:09] <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
  101. # [13:09] <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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  103. # [13:17] <MikeSmith> maxf: you around?
  104. # [13:17] <ArtB> maxf: are you going to participate in WebApps?
  105. # [13:18] <maxf> MikeSmith, yes
  106. # [13:18] <maxf> ArtB, hoping not
  107. # [13:18] <ArtB> maxf, is Arve around?
  108. # [13:18] <maxf> should I leave the channel?
  109. # [13:18] <ArtB> ... and available?
  110. # [13:18] <MikeSmith> maxf: no, no
  111. # [13:18] <MikeSmith> we are just having a Widgets call now
  112. # [13:18] <maxf> oh
  113. # [13:18] <ArtB> this channel is open to EVERYONE!
  114. # [13:18] <MikeSmith> and were pondering if you might want to join
  115. # [13:19] <MikeSmith> but sounds like not
  116. # [13:19] <maxf> I'm not seeing arve's on internal irc
  117. # [13:19] <MikeSmith> wilhelm says arve not in the office
  118. # [13:19] <MikeSmith> no biggy
  119. # [13:19] <maxf> I would be happy to join, but I expect more work eslewhere and I would quickly be in bad standing
  120. # [13:19] <maxf> besides, I understand arve's staying on for now
  121. # [13:20] <MikeSmith> maxf: yep
  122. # [13:20] <MikeSmith> 了解
  123. # [13:20] <MikeSmith> roger that
  124. # [13:36] <ArtB> "bad standing"?
  125. # [13:37] <ArtB> If WebApps Chairs enforced Bad Standing we might as well close the WG :-)
  126. # [13:39] <MikeSmith> ArtB: I've never liked the "bad standing" thing
  127. # [13:40] <MikeSmith> I think it discourages people from participating, if they can't participate every week or whatever
  128. # [13:40] <MikeSmith> kind of "all or nothing"
  129. # [13:42] <ArtB> agree
  130. # [13:42] <ArtB> It does make sense, however, for Editors
  131. # [13:42] <maxf> +1
  132. # [13:43] <MikeSmith> ArtB: yeah, for editors, of course
  133. # [13:43] <MikeSmith> editors who aren't participating should just be removed as editors
  134. # [13:43] <MikeSmith> plus, they should get a spanking
  135. # [13:51] <MikeSmith> I wonder if we should have "bad standing" status for team contacts
  136. # [13:51] <MikeSmith> ...or chairs...
  137. # [13:52] <MikeSmith> we should have a "badass standing" status
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  146. # [16:25] <MikeSmith> ArtB: you around?
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  168. # [23:53] <smaug> anyone seen Anne?
  169. # [23:53] <Hixie> not recently
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